Jersey City Cops Use Fake Amazon Boxes and Doorbell Cameras to Catch Thieves

dreadcthulhu

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I was going to ask if this wouldn't just be a textbook example of entrapment lol

That said, it's not that I don't agree with catching criminals, but what I worry about is it snowballing into allowing for them to go one step further. Before you know it, we're living in Minority Report heh (And if I wasn't too lazy to Google, I'd find the article about the one group who are using AI to profile and arrest people, which is a bit nuts IMO)

Legally, entrapment requires that the police to do something that would induce an otherwise law-abiding person to commit a crime. I.E., if a LEO told a random person walking by that a package was abandoned, and they could take it if they wanted, it would be entrapment to then arrest them for stealing it. Stings like this, or bait cars or the like, are just fine, since law abiding people would just let the package or bait car be.
 

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I was just going to ask if she sued.

It should be the law that if you are hurt during the commission of a crime, you loose the right to sue.

Trespassers, including burglars, are people who do not have permission or a lawful right to be on a homeowner's property. Homeowners, generally, have no duty to protect trespassers from dangers. So, a burglar cannot sue for tripping on a toy car or being hit by a falling television.
 

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Why leave the packages out in the open if concerned for thieves?

There are a lot of people who don't have the option to ship to a secure location like their work, and Amazon's lockers aren't always convenient (the nearest one to me is over a half hour away AND requires you to bank with Chase to access outside of banking hours). At that point your option is to take your chances and hope that nobody will steal your shit, or don't buy things online.
 

The Mad Atheist

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She also sued the homeowner, not sure how far that went though.
I wonder how that worked out in court? lol
1st offense fine/jail/warning.
2nd office lose your thumb (harder to pick stuff up)
3rd offense loose your hand.
4th offense loose your head as you have proven that you will never change, and will forever be a drain on society.

Only problem with this is that if you lost a hand in an accident, most people will think you are a thief.
That why you brand their forehead with letters for different crime....
T for thieves.
M for murderers.
R for rapists.
ect ect. :)
 

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Why leave the packages out in the open if concerned for thieves?

There isn't always another option. Not all jobs allow employees to receive personal packages at work, not every city has lockers or has them in enough places to make them viable for everyone. Sometimes the only option to have packages delivered to their home.
 

umeng2002

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Probably the mob in Amazon or the post office... tips off robbers who show up minutes or seconds after the package is left.
 

umeng2002

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WHAT?! Seriously? How do you sue the homeowner for that bullshit?

You can sue anyone for anything. It only costs a few hundred bucks... How far it goes is another story, and there are repercussions for falsely suing people.

The thief probably didn't know there was a security camera and probably claimed the sidewalk was defective while was going knock on the door for some B.S. reason.
 

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My packages are pretty safe, even stupid level thieves know that they can't run 1200 feet back out to my front fence faster than a .308 round. o_O
Well if you are home to fire said round then chances are your package is not going to be outside for someone to snatch, plus package thieves tend to be smash and grab type of jobs if someone needs to make a nearly half mile trip to get your package they probably are not going to get your package :)
 

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There isn't always another option. Not all jobs allow employees to receive personal packages at work, not every city has lockers or has them in enough places to make them viable for everyone. Sometimes the only option to have packages delivered to their home.
Well what used to happen is they'd put a tag on the door, with delivery attempt 1,2,3 and if after 3 attempts to deliver they'd take it back to their warehouse and you would have to pick it up there. Now I agree with you not everyone would have that option, but the thing is I did have that option, and for whatever reason (maybe they're all charging more for that service?) they just don't do that here anymore, no multiple delivery attempts, no holding at their warehouse it simply gets left outside. Luckily I'm a nice enough neighbor that if it happens next door I'll grab it and ring their doorbell later (this is San Francisco, there's no porches, or front yards it's literally house, 2 feet of concrete then sidewalk, so leaving packages in front of a house is way easier for package thieves)
 

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Cause delivery drivers ain't rushed and over worked as is. also people are normally at work during delivery times. It could a huge time inconvenience to go to a local hub to pick a package up after work

And do you think delivery drivers in other countries aren't rushed, and people here work outside delivery times ? The only difference seems to be that US couriers are willing to eat the insurance costs and US people are fine with the ordered item being delivered on 3th or 4th try.
 

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There are a lot of people who don't have the option to ship to a secure location like their work, and Amazon's lockers aren't always convenient (the nearest one to me is over a half hour away AND requires you to bank with Chase to access outside of banking hours). At that point your option is to take your chances and hope that nobody will steal your shit, or don't buy things online.

Shit. Here they call you."Gonna be home 2morrow morning? Or afternoon?". They are required to deliver the package to a human being.
 

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Just spent ten minutes trying to verify this claim...unable to locate.

Not even sure what they could sue over. Not drying thee grass after a rain? Lol
Same deal as idiot crooks who fell through a skylight awhile back. They claim it wasn't a safe area. Yes, it is that stupid.
 

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Well what used to happen is they'd put a tag on the door, with delivery attempt 1,2,3 and if after 3 attempts to deliver they'd take it back to their warehouse and you would have to pick it up there. Now I agree with you not everyone would have that option, but the thing is I did have that option, and for whatever reason (maybe they're all charging more for that service?) they just don't do that here anymore, no multiple delivery attempts, no holding at their warehouse it simply gets left outside. Luckily I'm a nice enough neighbor that if it happens next door I'll grab it and ring their doorbell later (this is San Francisco, there's no porches, or front yards it's literally house, 2 feet of concrete then sidewalk, so leaving packages in front of a house is way easier for package thieves)

The only time they do the tag thing anymore is if it is a package that has to be signed for. Since everyone charges extra for that, most retailers wont do it or will require the buyer to pay for signature confirmation.
 

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The only time they do the tag thing anymore is if it is a package that has to be signed for. Since everyone charges extra for that, most retailers wont do it or will require the buyer to pay for signature confirmation.

See, the couriers here do not have that option. Every single package requires signature.
 

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Is it safe to assume that in the US nobody bothers to lock their cars or home doors either...?

I avoid home deliveries as much as I can, unless it's something small enough to get in the mailbox.
Instead the typical pick-up location is either of my two nearest conveniance stores, open 7 a.m. to 10 p.m., always having to provide photo ID for the recipient.
 

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I mean honestly what the fuck is wrong with people? There fact that this isn't an isolated thing is just pathetic.
 

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My fav vid is the girl who broke her ankle stealing someone's packages. Best Karma ever!



One of the main reason I moved from the city to a rural town was thieves like this; cruising the neighborhood while people were at work looking for what they could steal.
 
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