Originally posted by nitefallz
Is there a huge difference in 128 meg versions of the 9800 versus the 256 megs?
Originally posted by BlackDragon323
Hello.This seems to be the forum with the most informed people (judging by the different threads I've read so far), and following the first post in this thread I'm putting my question here and hope that you all can help me. (I'll try and keep this short)
I'm going to be purchasing a new computer within a couple of months and since this is my first PC purchase I'm doing as much research and learning (about things I didn't know) as I possibly can to make the best decsion possible. This brings me to my first question: video card=which one?
Depends on what kindof budget you have for the computer. This list is here to tell you what to pick for your computer. I would suggest a 9800 Pro 128 MB or 9800XT if you want to go the whole nine yards. Also new cards are going to come out in a month so video card market is about to get an overhaul pretty soon. I cannot recommend you anything for the future unless we are in the future, if you know what I am saying.
From what I've seen it seems that Intel+Nvidia= THE system you want to have and the best. And that AMD+ATI= the second best. Of course, I'm more than likely wrong, but I have decided to buy and Intel based system nonetheless. Now I get to video cards. I didn't know jacksquat about video cards before, and now I know a little more. I keep seeing nvidia's name everywhere! It seems like games all have that "the way it's meant to be played" thingy plastered all over them.
I'm planning on having a 256mb video card installed in the system.
I recently have read some articles on both the 5950Ultra and the 9800XT and I just finished reading Hardocp's article on both.
The MAIN game I am wanting to get is UT2k4. I have the seen the different pic comparisons of both cards in teh article here. I am truly dissapointed in the results that 5950 looks like it gives. BUT, why does Epic have the nvidia logo on the game and make you think that it is optimized for an nvidia card? I am more confused than ever now. I was planning on getting the 5950, but now I am not so sure.
FX 5950 Ultra performs worse than a 9800XT period. All reviews benching the newer DX 9 games prove it. Also you have got it all wrong, nVidia + AMD = good system; Intel + ATi = greatest system ever built since the birth of man. Well no actually, there is no such thing as a better combo system. Both companies cards perform as well on either AMD or Intel depending on the configuration of a particular PC in general. You cannot generalize it so bluntly. As for UT2k4 it runs and looks better on an ATi card but this is my subjective opinion. Everyone will tell you different
What I want to know is: are these limitations of the card itself, or is it the driver? if it is the driver does that mean that it is "safe" to buy a 5950 and expect better results as drivers are released? I also read that article about Valve's comment on the nvida vs ati on HL2. I also read somewhere that th 5900 and 5950 are not "truly" DX9 capable....
nVidia FX design is limited in itself since it can do only 16 FPP or 32 FPP whereas, an ATi card only does 24 FPP (which is the default DX 9 standard). FP 32 bit is slow as shite on an FX series cards so it sort of interpolates b/w FP 16 and FP 32 bit if 32 bit is not forced by game. Also as proven in various places over the net ATi has superior IQ and better Pixel and Vertex Shader performance. Overall I would recommend an ATi card for NOW, but in about a month when things change I can very well recommend you an nVidia card if NV 40 outperforms R420 (codenames of upcoming graphic chips from nVidia and ATi respectively.)
Help!!! the more I research and try to figure this stuff out, the more it gets confusing!!
Here are some other games I was planning on getting(FYI):
NWN, Morrowind, UT2k4, UT, HL2, Doom3, HALO, Everquest2, Dungeon Siege2.
Just so you know.
I cannot recommend you a card based on upcoming games. But for NWN nVidia performs better, for Morrowind ATi performs almost at par w/ nVidia, UT2k4 Demo ATi performs better, UT ATi performs better, Halo ATi performs better. And various other games that I have playtested have ATi get better IQ and better performance.
I'll be posting any more questions on other stuff of the system in their appropriate spots on this forum..I'm going to be getting an Alienware system.
Thanks in advance for your help!
You are welcome.
Originally posted by BlackDragon323
Thanks for the great advice, I'll keep, that in mind.
No Problem. I just wanna help
Well, I'm planning on spending asmuch money as I can, since this is going to be my "big purchase". I am going to defintely get a 256 card so it'll last for a while.
The only reason I mentioned the "Intel+Nvidia= THE system you want to have and the best. And that AMD+ATI= the second best statement was because that was the impression I was getting from reading peoples posts on stuff that i had been looking into...I wasn't saying that that statement was true or that that's how *I* feel. I'm just a PC noob trying to get as much knowledge as I can before I do this. FYI: I'm a "reverse switcher"...I've been using macs all my life and I'm buying my first PC.
I see you have the money to spend. I suggest if you are going to wait for a month that you hold out on the video card purchase since new cards come out in April. Then we will see who is king and you can grab the l337 card
one other question: I've also noticed a lot of games using the nvidia logo on their box. Does this mean that that game was made to work better with an nvidia card? or that that game performs optimily(sp?) with an nvidia card? Like FF 11 and UT2k3 for example.
Sorry I missed this before but "TWIMTBP" thing is all crap. Most games with that logo perform better on ATi cards w/ better image quality. So forget about this logo and never speak of it again. ha!
As far as the Alienware is concerend, I just really like it (although I still wonder if I'm mostly paying for the case!). I have already looked into Falcon NW and ABS and I took a look at that iBuypower site. the ibuypower looks pretty good.
Building is out of the question this time: this is my first PC and I just don't have enough tech knowledge to feel confident in building one. I think maybe the 2nd one I get I will try to, but not this time.
abspc.com makes good rigs. but always your best bet is to find a friend that is relatively PC Pro and get down and making a rig yourself. Nothing beats that.
I know Alienware is a bit pricey, but I've read a lot of articles saying that, despite the price, they're well built, good parts and good service..which is important for me right now. I decided long ago no Dell or gateway,or best buy stuff. I need something upgradeable and someone said that Dells aren't very good for that. Besides, if I'm going to spend this kind of money (2500-3500) this time around, I want something kinda flashy! (is that so wrong?)
Dell, Gateway and the likes are pure shit. Forget about them. Alienware uses Intel motherboards now so you cannot overclock jack on them. Which renders the whole spending of 2.5 grand pretty useless.. secondly, you can save anywhere from 500-1000 dollars by building your own pc that will outperform any alienware, dell, gateway or other crap in a heartbeat. So I suggest you start learning and shell the 500 on some other things you may need!
Well, again, thanks and I'll keep investegating.
Yeah you do that.
PS- see, that's what bothers/worries me: the fact that all the games I'm interested in, one card performs better than the other!! I can't just pop out one card and switch it with the other just to play a different game(or at least I don't want to!)...suggestions?
I'm starting to lean towards 9800XT at this point....hmm.....
If you are going to shell your dough in a month. I suggest you wait and see how all the new tech performs (both for graphic cards and processors and motherboards) and then make your decisions, because much is about to change soon.
Originally posted by Digital Viper-X-
For those of you who dont know weather to get a 9600xt or a 5700U here is something to help you decide
Quoted from the [H]OCP review
The Radeon 9600XT beats the 5700Ultra in almost every game, but the tables turn when you factor in the 5900XT. The 5900XT is able to match or beat the 9600XT in more than a few games by allowing you to run at higher quality settings than the 9600XT and still perform the same or better though there are some games where the 9600XT is the winner.
so unless you want a 5900XT don't bother spending money on a 5700U, get a 5900XT if YOU really want an NV card and if your smart enough to want prettier looking DX9 games then get the 9600XT or better now for a bit more you can snag a 9800pro