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It's Official - AMD RX 9070 Starting @ $549 and 9070 XT @ $599

LukeTbk said:
Probably games selection, Star wars, last of us number relative to the 5070ti between HUB and them look similar, but different average.

TPU has Ghosh of Tushima-Horizon-Forbiden west and AC: Mirage that score well on AMD, Hardware unboxed feature some older game engine still on DX11 like War Thunder an Dying Light 2 that score badly on AMD versus Nvidia for example. they did use more recent Nvidia drivers all over the Nvidia cards then TPU, so maybe, but seem more game picked.
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Overall I don't think the performance is bad, just depends on what the cards actually cost.
 
KazeoHin said:
Unfortunately, once again, the issue is entirely Nvidia's and AMD's fault. It's supply.

Asus made the SUPER AWESOME DICK-SUCKING MEGA XXX OC 3x MSRP models because they knew the supply was so constrained that demand would guarantee every card sold.

If the supply was plentiful, people would be more than happy to buy the more reasonable model, as they wouldn't be faced with the prospect of not getting anything at all if they get choosy. If the supply was plentiful, those hyper-OC models for 3x MSRP, the predatory bundle deals, the insane ebay scalps would all just rot on the shelf. The only reason they sell is because they're the only thing available.

Supply is the issue, and the issue is entirely Nvidia's and AMD's fault. Simple. No "Well it's complicated" because it isn't. We as a species are producing more functioning silicon per hour than we ever have by a HUGE margin. If the big players wanted to allocate more of that manufacturing towards these products, they could. They chose not to, then they chose to piss in our face and say it's the weather.
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Of course supply plays a huge role. Clearly it doesn't matter if a 5070ti is $750 or $1000 if you can't buy one anyway... and sure supply like that will mean they all go for $1000.

Nvidia (not excusing them) have had a fuck of a time making Blackwell work at all. That is the truth. Their first run of AI parts was defective. Their second run.... defective. They got to a point where they had to use their consumer Fab allotment to fill billion dollar blackwell AI contracts. So consumer grade shit took a seat and waited. Not excusing them... just saying if the first blackwell silicon last year worked, they would have had tons of fab allocation to run tons of RTX stuff. They screwed themselves with their wonky hard to fab design. If they had designed more margin for error into their design, they wouldn't have been forced to push consumer fabrication back as far as they did, and vulture the production which they were also forced to do.

As for AMD... I don't know guess we'll see over the next month if they fabricated enough. I'm sure its going to sell out tomorrow. That might not be the end of the world if they keep restocking decent numbers frequently. (not getting 2 or 3 cards every couple weeks like the competition)
 
ChadD said:
Of course supply plays a huge role. Clearly it doesn't matter if a 5070ti is $750 or $1000 if you can't buy one anyway... and sure supply like that will mean they all go for $1000.

Nvidia (not excusing them) have had a fuck of a time making Blackwell work at all. That is the truth. Their first run of AI parts was defective. Their second run.... defective. They got to a point where they had to use their consumer Fab allotment to fill billion dollar blackwell AI contracts. So consumer grade shit took a seat and waited. Not excusing them... just saying if the first blackwell silicon last year worked, they would have had tons of fab allocation to run tons of RTX stuff. They screwed themselves with their wonky hard to fab design. If they had designed more margin for error into their design, they wouldn't have been forced to push consumer fabrication back as far as they did, and vulture the production which they were also forced to do.

As for AMD... I don't know guess we'll see over the next month if they fabricated enough. I'm sure its going to sell out tomorrow. That might not be the end of the world if they keep restocking decent numbers frequently. (not getting 2 or 3 cards every couple weeks like the competition)
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I just keep going back to the question of why they launched any consumer Blackwell card other the 5090. They could have just kept cranking out Lovelace cards, which were long past the break-even point. Price drop right before AMD’s embargo date to spoil their launch, tout DLSS Transformer to the moon, and release the other Blackwell cards when 3 GB modules are available and the production issues are sorted out. I’m just a nerd who follows tech news; if that strategy is obvious to me, how could NV’s highly-paid marketing and management people have missed it?
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
I just keep going back to the question of why they launched any consumer Blackwell card other the 5090. They could have just kept cranking out Lovelace cards,
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Once you convert to the new TSMC 4 nvidia special node line to do the 5090, seem easier to just use it to make cheaper 5070ti/5070/etc... on that node than revert back, they can reach about 4070s-4080 speed for cheaper eventually.

This could have required a lot of hindsight about having issues with Blackwell. And you probably want to transfer a maximum of line to that new nodes for the B100-200 regardless I imagine, if they still cranked H100-200 late keeping some old TSMC Nvidia node line alive (look like they did, they still sold well last quarter at least), knowing now about the issue, maybe they would have pumped more 4080s and not stopped the supply chain of GDDR6X that started to get empty last summer.

I take so long to make a chip, hundreds of layers, one at a time, that it can be hard to all get this right, maybe they get use non GDDR6X even at the 4080 level like they did at the 4070, maybe not, that a lot of moving piece, months in advance to get right.

As for the general reason of having non 5090 cards, they should be quickly enough significantly cheaper to make a 5070 is a 88% enabled 263mm die, that could become a near 100% yield type of affair. It is similar to why AMD did not just pump 7900xtx instead, similar performance to their new cards...

There is a world they have the regular sell out right away 200,000 high end card for the whole world or so in january with a ramp up in march to blast the market with enough 5070 by April when less popular non-msrp sku get easy to buy all around except for the 5090 if things go well we can imagine, it just did not.
 
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Overall the card isn't bad. Definitely a mixed bag. As along as you keep the RT setting reasonable it's a good card, but if you try to do max RT where all of the cards are going to perform like crap anyway then you can see the weaknesses. Also AMD really can't charge more than $600 for non-OC models. I will say this though because it's the most obvious it's ever been. AMD needs to get more games that favor their architecture. When that happens you see bigger gains than even nVidia does, which means the cards are more efficient than it would seem. If a console port ever should land on PC without nVidia's "optimizations" this happens:
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So, I've watched reviews, but don't have a handle on the best 9070XT to look out for considering performance, temps, and sound. Is it the XFX Mercury, Asus Tuff, Sapphire Nitro, Power odor Red Devil?
 
Brackle said:
All I have to say, anyone who says they know what pricing will be and how available the 9070 XT's is all speculating. We have no idea how much supply they have.

So saying that only the $750 models will be available is pure speculation.
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Best Buy now has their 9070s and 9070XTs listed; they are all coming soon. There is one MSRP model of each, and it appears MSRP will be available today only.
 

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Marees said:
MSRP only for first batch of cards. If you plan to buy, then act immediately

https://videocardz.com/newz/retaile...o-first-shipments-price-set-to-increase-later
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Of course.. from what I see on Best Buy... its only a few of them that are "MSRP"... all the others are "fancier" models and are well higher than MSRP...
Who would have thunk it though...
We are all conditioned now at this point that we'll accept this.. keep the prices creeping.. and we'll be right there in line to buy
 
I’m noticing that only Best Buy is listing the 9070 AIB cards early. Is this a new anti-scalper tactic to prevent bots from ordering?
 
I keep seeing a mention from other sources about a $50 kickback/rebate from AMD to the AIB's/retailers for every card sold ... so when that runs dry.. that is when the MSRP will be non-existent..
Maybe this was mentioned somewhere in these threads on [H] but I missed it, with all the information coming out at such a fast pace...

All that garbage the other day from the AMD video stream about "85% of gamers purchase GPU's under this price point...." and ... "We listened to you..." blah blah.. all a bunch of f'ing horse dookie...
F--K you AMD and NVIDIA for your duopoly and blatant price collusion
 
jlbenedict said:
I keep seeing a mention from other sources about a $50 kickback/rebate from AMD to the AIB's/retailers for every card sold ... so when that runs dry.. that is when the MSRP will be non-existent..
Maybe this was mentioned somewhere in these threads on [H] but I missed it, with all the information coming out at such a fast pace...

All that garbage the other day from the AMD video stream about "85% of gamers purchase GPU's under this price point...." and ... "We listened to you..." blah blah.. all a bunch of f'ing horse dookie...
F--K you AMD and NVIDIA for your duopoly and blatant price collusion
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That would probably explain the strange value difference between 9070 and 9070 XT. If the price of 9070XT goes noticeably up after things cool down, the vanilla 9070 suddenly starts to look like a better value.
 
sc5mu93 said:
Eff this. Reaper out of stock in less than 3 minutes at Newegg. Bots or fake stock
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I was following Proshop and Jimms PC Store and both also sold out from 1 to 3 minutes depending on model. I was not going to buy anything, as I said I cannot afford one just now, but I was curious.
 
MaZa said:
That would probably explain the strange value difference between 9070 and 9070 XT. If the price of 9070XT goes noticeably up after things cool down, the vanilla 9070 suddenly starts to look like a better value.
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Found one of the mentions about the $50...
https://www.techspot.com/review/2961-amd-radeon-9070-xt/

"Finally, we have some concerns about how "real" the $600 MSRP actually is. After some investigation, it appears that AMD is providing retailers with a $50 rebate to achieve the $600 pricing. This strongly suggests the intended MSRP was actually $650, and AMD is temporarily subsidizing models to hit the lower price point.
For example, XFX confirmed that the 9070 XT Mercury – a model featured in this review – will not cost $650. In fact, it won't even cost $700. Instead, the official MSRP is $770, and due to tariffs, its on-shelf price is expected to be $850 – which would be tragic if true.
From what we've gathered, it seems AMD is starting to play Nvidia's pricing game. This means that while some 9070 XT models may be available at $600 initially, most will likely be priced higher, and restocks at that price may be limited or infrequent. A lot will depend on how sales perform. AMD has a large stock of Radeon 9070 GPUs, so if demand slows after launch, we expect them to continue offering rebates to keep pricing competitive. However, we will have to wait and see how that plays out."
 
I was going to make a joke about raiding Microcenter and marking them up for you guys but it's limited to one and you have to go in store :eek:.
 
Picked up the Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070 XT at the Egg, $729. That is after waiting inline online at Bestbuy several times for nothing.
 
noko said:
Picked up the Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070 XT at the Egg, $729. That is after waiting inline online at Bestbuy several times for nothing.
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Same, no dice with BB. Got the XFX white model at NewEgg. The $599 models instantly disappeared from what I saw (bots?). My wife has been waiting 2 months for the last part of her PC so I decided to pay the extra 100 bucks since the $599 price point looks to only be a launch price (rebate mentioned earlier).
 
cageymaru said:
I don't need a card, but was just curious. NewEgg had the prices so jacked up I laughed and closed the app. Back to playing my favorite indie games.
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The poor 50 series launch is having an effect on this one I think. More demand than typical and I'm sure the scalpers are still all over this for the same reason.
 
ZeroBarrier said:
AMD pretty much played the techtubers like a fiddle. They got them all to praise AMD for having a lower MSRP just to get them all to crow all the live-long-day about AMD's lower price point and how there's finally no way AMD can fuck this up, just for AMD to prove yet again that they never miss an opportunity to miss and opportunity.
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And you never miss an opportunity to find something, anything, to dump on AMD.
 
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Apparently it is impossible for any gpu to not sell out in minutes. GPU drought is real.
 
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I'm seeing at least a few hundred XT's in stock at the local Microcenter at $600. I'm honestly not sure if I want to go for it or not. I'm sort of tempted, just to have a GPU purely dedicated to gaming, that I won't want to use for AI stuff at all.

But it's definitely just a luxury.
 
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