Is there any evidence Nvidia cripples performance on old GPUs?

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  1. biggles

    biggles [H]ard|Gawd

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    I have read a few articles on this that said no. But this week I was trying to get Forza 6 Apex running without hiccups and micro-stutter on main rig (see sig). Eventually determined it would play smoothly at 1080p but only with AA disabled and vsync off. Aliasing is pretty ugly on a 27" 1080p monitor, and the tearing is noticeable.

    Next I tried Forza on laptop (Core i7 6820k, 32 gb ram, nvidia 970m 3 gb). Set to high and dynamic it ran great. The 970m is a newer chipset but a weaker gpu vs the gtx 780 (Maxwell vs Kepler). Also, this is a MSI laptop with gsync so the tearing was completely gone. In short, a superior gameplay experience on the less powerful laptop.
     
  2. Damar

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    Same driver version?

    I ask only because the latest drivers (the ones they put out for Mordor) completely cripple my FPS in everything and its like G-Sync isn't even on when it is.

    Off the top of my head, a driver rollback or clean install would be my first thing to try probably, but I'm not the best when it comes to diagnosing problems. No patience for it. :p
     
  3. Derangel

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    No, there is no evidence. Nvidia doesn't seem to cripple performance on old cards so much as they simply don't spend the same time and effort optimizing them as they do their current cards. You also don't get "magical" extra performance out of the cards a few months after launch like you do from AMD cards.
     
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    Someone would have to show that the same game decreases in performance, with the same card over time, in order to prove this.
     
  5. Grimham

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    I would chalk all that up to driver versions. Just because a driver is newer doesn't mean it's better - this is more so for older hardware.
    Personally, when I have a driver version that works I don't usually upgrade unless I have reason to. Others like to upgrade their drivers as soon as they come out and have good luck, so I dunno.
     
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    Dunno about evidence, but anecdotally totally seems so. Geforce experience definitely nerfs "recommended" settings well below actual capacity on old hardware.
     
  7. Derangel

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    That isn't a nerf, not remotely. You aren't forced to use those settings. The recommended GFE settings are almost always below what the hardware is capable of.
     
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    if you were Nvidia or AMD would you want a 3+ year old GPU to perform well enough that people would not want to buy a newer one?
     
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    No, but going out of your way to actually hamper the performance of older cards (like running worse in a newer version of driver than an older one) would be both

    1. Stupid PR loss, since everyone will hate that company for it.
    2. Fruitless. It's not like older versions of any driver will magically disappear when a new version comes out, not even illuminati has THAT kind of a pull, let alone a company like nVidia or Intel, which are not even on the same level as say google.
     
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    Well at this point it is anecdotal. The articles on this do not show older cards performing worse. And this is the first case I have uncovered. May also be that Forza 6 was somehow not optimized for Kepler and is optimized for Maxwell. Just a guess though.
     
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    Don't be a "person of different abilities", you get what I mean.
     
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  12. FlawleZ

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    I have certainly experienced this too. It's simply the driver versions. They don't optimize for the older generations.
     
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    No, we actually have evidence to the contrary. NVIDIA simply doesn't continue to optimize older hardware after it has been superseded by newer hardware.
     
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    Why would any company optimize for their model T instead of their flagship product??
     
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    It's also in what people value. For example I find that GFE is far too aggressive on settings. It'll say I can turn up AA to levels that I find unacceptable. Why? Because I demand 60fps solid performance, not average, but I basically never want to drop below it at any time. That's the standard I like, and what I optimize for. Other people are the opposite, they can deal with sub 30 fps so long as everything is pretty. They'll max graphics right up to the line of a game becoming unplayable.

    nVidia's recommendations are what they feel is the best experience. People will disagree with them and that's ok.
     
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    Yep. GFE can be a good starting point, but it's rarely a one-size fits all solution.
     
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    I think it is mostly designed for people who don't know what they are doing. You like games but aren't a computer person? Ok, click here and we'll give you a good experience. For those of us that are fanatics, well nVidia often publishes great guides on their site that cover each and every setting, what the visual impact is, and what the performance impact is.
     
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    Does GFE work with games from the Windows Store? I was under the impression that it will not.
     
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    It works for me with Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4.
     
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    Anecdotal but GeForce experience made my 980TI sc run SC2 in 4k ultra (which obviously felt slightly off which is why I noticed) vs my friend's 1070 that ran at 1080p ultra. Keep in mind I have only a 1080p monitor right now which makes this setting even weirder.
     
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    If you have DSR enabled in the control panel it will use those resolutions should their gameplay experience show good results. You can change the resolution it optimizes for by changing the settings for that game.
     
  23. biggles

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    Having spent enough hours troubleshooting this I am not going to test the following: maybe the performance difference is due to vsync and/or anti-aliasing being handled in-game on the desktop and in Nvidia software on the laptop. Perhaps if I had Nvidia software on the desktop control those that would have fixed it. That is the frustrating part of PC games, you are constantly testing different combinations of settings to get a game to run right. Instead of enjoying that time playing the game.