Is No-One Excited for DDR4?

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I bought enough DDR3 at rock bottom prices to last me until DDR4 hits rock bottom prices.
 

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Nope not at all, havent been excited about pc hardware in a while. Especially not for ddr4 high prices and same speed as ddr3, wont get excited for ddr4 tech for atleast a couple years.
 

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No rush at all.

Back when I was still using an Phenom II X3 720, it was on a Socket AM2 board, with DDR2-800 memory.

When I first got my AM3+ board, I didn't have my FX-4100 CPU yet, so I went ahead and temporarily stuck the Phenom II X3 720 on it, in combination with 8 GB of DDR3-1600 memory (just temporarily, since my 16 GB of DDR3 1600 were coming later).

I honestly didn't notice any difference between the DDR2-800 and the DDR3-1600, when everything else was kept similar.


Maybe a year or two down the road, when my FX-4100 can no longer handle my needs, I'll buy a new motherboard, CPU, and maybe DDR4 memory, if the price has come down to the same levels as today's DDR3.
 
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In 2016, all Intel platforms will be using DDR4.

Well, then hopefully it will be as good as DDR3 by then.

I'd hate to have to upgrade to slower and more expensive RAM. That would be like the RDRAM thing all over again. :/
 

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Well, then hopefully it will be as good as DDR3 by then.

I'd hate to have to upgrade to slower and more expensive RAM. That would be like the RDRAM thing all over again. :/

DDR4 RAM starts at 2133 mhz, presumably CAS 10 or 11 at most. That doesn't make it any slower than 1866 CAS 9 or 1600 CAS 9, but it will definitely be slower than top end DDR3. Not that it matters, only iGPUs care about RAM speed above 1866 mhz.
 

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I though the standard would be 1.2V DDR4 2133 CAS15. Although overclocked dimms will have lower latency than the standard.
 

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Hmm, apparently Micron has DDR4 2133 mhz models listed at CAS 14. So it's probably going to start at 14. But then again, DDR3 did start at 1066. Or something like that.
 

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A-data has following variants:

DDR4-2133 15-15-15 (CAS/CL = 142)
DDR4-2133 13-13-13 (CAS/CL = 164)
DDR4-2400 16-16-16 (CAS/CL = 150)
DDR4-2800 17-17-17 (CAS/CL = 165)

altrough all of them are 1.2V

Anyway highly dissapointing compared to 2133 CL9 or 2400 CL 10 we have now.
 

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oh why does this not shock me ddr4 lower voltage higher latency higher speed higher price. Why was i supposed to be excited? Call me when quad channel is normal and the effective latency is a quarter of what it is singular.
 

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I'll be excited when the 128GB sticks come out (and don't cost a grand).
 

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nope, still using mostly DDR2
 

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RAM is reaching the point where nobody really needs 'faster'. As many in this thread say, the performance difference going from DDR3 to DDR4 is marginal at best, thus hardly justifiable. The only problem people have is the maximum capacity per DIMM; some wish there would be 16GB DDR3 sticks (as do I).

Same with SSDs and CPU. They have far surpassed the performance requirements for not only your average non-gaming computer illiterate consumers who only care about e-mail, Facebook, YouTube, web-surfing, and a simple 3D game that is cakewalk for Intel Graphics. So much so even that tablet form factors have taken a fair market share.

With this said, it becomes increasingly difficult to sell to the consumer unless major revolutions occur in the core technology itself (ex. silicon to all graphine, or silicon to all optics). But even with that ... do you really 20TB+ of storage, 64-core x64 40GHz CPU, 512GB DDR RAM that has throughputs of over 1 TB per second, and a GPU with enough horsepower to render Crysis at a solid silky smooth 60fps at maximum quality settings at native resolution on less than 10 watts to do your web-surfing, Facebooking, listen to music, and e-mail?

No.

notepad.exe will never need more than the bare minimum.
 

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With this said, it becomes increasingly difficult to sell to the consumer unless major revolutions occur in the core technology itself (ex. silicon to all graphine, or silicon to all optics). But even with that ... do you really 20TB+ of storage, 64-core x64 40GHz CPU, 512GB DDR RAM that has throughputs of over 1 TB per second, and a GPU with enough horsepower to render Crysis at a solid silky smooth 60fps at maximum quality settings at native resolution on less than 10 watts to do your web-surfing, Facebooking, listen to music, and e-mail?

Yes, especially for heavy surfing and gaming. I would love to be able to do it without AC on. And 60 FPS is a far cry from silky smooth.
 

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What I would really like for is the inflation of memory prices to go down like they were a couple years ago. But I guess I can't complain about the next generation of RAM. With time it will get better. Hopefully.
 

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What I would really like for is the inflation of memory prices to go down like they were a couple years ago. But I guess I can't complain about the next generation of RAM. With time it will get better. Hopefully.

DDR3 prices will continue to increase until they hit a plateau, which they seem to be near. And will stay there. Don't count on it decreasing, just look at DDR2.
 

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After a few product generations sure. DDR4 is going to be like DDR3 and DDR2, more latency and slower than the last generation until it gets faster.
 

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Until the latency situation is adequately resolved, I don't think there's anything worth getting excited about. Memory hasn't been keeping pace with CPUs for the longest time, and DDR4 (thus far) does not do anything to change that situation.
 

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not while it offers no real advantage over DDR3, no.

when we get to DDR3 3200 speeds fine.
 
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I'm just going to wait until A) prices go from premium to normal B) DDR3 has signs of phasing out and C) Clear benchmarks to prove a significant increase in performance.
 

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I'm just going to wait until A) prices go from premium to normal B) DDR3 has signs of phasing out and C) Clear benchmarks to prove a significant increase in performance.

I expect this to happen sometime in 2016 after both AMD and Intel have released their new sockets / CPUs that are DDR4 only.
 

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When is memory speed ever the bottleneck? DDR3 was the first memory I didn't even bother to try overclocking. So I cannot say I am too excited unfortunately. The only thing I care about is an overkill amount so I never have to worry about it. I believe I have accomplished that with 32GB in my current system. The 1600 CL8 speed it runs stock (and undervolted to 1.375v) is good enough for me!
 

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Nope because of the price premium it's sure to carry. And the marginal benefits (MHZ and CAS are comparable to current DDR3 for initial release, based on what I've seen so far).

This is a pretty common feeling whenever a new DDR standard comes around. And in the beginning it's usually true until the speed ramps up significantly and latencies start to drop again.
 

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It's not like you just get to choose whether you want to use ddr3 or ddr4 with the CPU of your choice. If you want haswell-e you're getting ddr4. It may be easy for all but the high end PC/workstation buyers to say "fine, I'll just skip that platform".

Once we get to the next mainstream chipset though, it becomes a question of whether you want to build a new Pc on the most future proof platform vs a last gen platform. Intel is not dumb, they won't force that on consumers until DDR4 manufacturing volumes approach the capacity needed to be the exclusive choice for their mainstream platform before they mKe that switch.

The technical pros and cons of the two ram types are almost secondary to platform choice and logistics.
 

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I've been around to see EDO/SIMM/DIMM and DDR through to today. It's kind of gotten boring how predictable it is. Wait a year, the price will be halved and the speeds will be up a notch or two.

What I'm really excited about? What happens after DDR4....it's speculated the next move is to MEM-ristors or something else. While it's cool, I hope in their endeavor to make all storage non-volatile, speed doesn't get stunted. Guess we'll find out in about 6 years.
 

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It's not like you just get to choose whether you want to use ddr3 or ddr4 with the CPU of your choice. If you want haswell-e you're getting ddr4. It may be easy for all but the high end PC/workstation buyers to say "fine, I'll just skip that platform".

Once we get to the next mainstream chipset though, it becomes a question of whether you want to build a new Pc on the most future proof platform vs a last gen platform. Intel is not dumb, they won't force that on consumers until DDR4 manufacturing volumes approach the capacity needed to be the exclusive choice for their mainstream platform before they mKe that switch.

The technical pros and cons of the two ram types are almost secondary to platform choice and logistics.

I am 90% certain Skylake will be DDR4 only. Skylake making its debut in late 2015/early 2016.
 
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I expect this to happen sometime in 2016 after both AMD and Intel have released their new sockets / CPUs that are DDR4 only.

Even when this does happen, it's still going to take a while after that for things to be outside the market for the super hardcore enthusiasts. I'm not holding my breath
 

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I'm not exited at all, on the contrary I think it's just a scheme to rip us off for new memory if we want to upgrade to haswell-e. And I want to, so whatever is the opposite of excited I'm that.
 

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Are there major benefits to ddr4 for gaming anyway?

Maybe a few FPS when it gets faster then the fast DDR3?

I wonder how fast it will have to be before it actually becomes important or more noticeable then DDR3.
 

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Isn't that what the X99 platform is?

Yes but this is the enthusiast platform (much lower sales volume) no other platforms from AMD or Intel will use DDR4 this year.

However sometime in 2016 all platforms from AMD and Intel will be DDR4 only with the DDR3 stuff being EOL.
 
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With how jacked up memory prices are most people aren't anxious to go buy new DRAM. Plus, it has yet to prove its worth in terms of overall system performance or power consumption. I'm already running low voltage 1.35V DDR3 so DDR4's 1.2V is marginal.
 
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