Is it worth it, 9700 or 9900k

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  1. GameDad

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    i am going to upgrade soon, going from a dual core wolfdale to something modern, is the difference between the 9700 and the 9900 worth the difference in price?
    i mostly game and surf the web, watch some shows, and do a little webmastering, my own private site for me and friends who game together in RL oldstyle.
    i mean the price is about 40-50 percent more for a 9900k but the clock speed difference is minor and there are no extra cores, i just dont know if i should spend the extra
     
  2. Outlaw85

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    Intel comparison- https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=186605,191792,186604
    Newegg comparison- https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=9SIA8N29P94378,19-117-958,19-117-957

    9900k- $489 (newegg), 8 core / 16 thread. very slightly higher clock (3.6Ghz / 5.0Ghz) 95W
    9700k- $365 (newegg), 8 core / 8 thread (3.6Ghz / 4.9Ghz) 95W
    9700(non-K)- $370 (newegg), 8 core / 8 thread (3.0Ghz / 4.7Ghz) 65W

    It's going to come down to: Do you need the extra threads? Is lower power a goal?

    Realistically, the turbo GHz difference is not likely to be noticed unless you are benchmarking it, then it's still argued that it's not real-world..

    I don't know if what programs you use can take advantage of the extra threads but I would at least consider the 9700k. Per Newegg, it's slightly cheaper for some reason and has near-identical speeds of the 9900k. The K series is usually for those looking to overclock since the chips are unlocked. You may have to list out some of the games and programs you use to get some more detailed feedback from those in the know. If I were buying for me, I would pick up the 9700k and call it a day. The extra threads are nice to have and maybe more beneficial down the road but for that $120, I can put that to some other parts, maybe extra ram, ssd capacity step up or a nicer motherboard, if you do decide to overclock in the future.
     
  3. beheo2019

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    8700k or 9700k or 9900k.
     
  4. Denpepe

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    Depending on what games you play, I would advise you to also consider something like an AMD 3700X, granted they are a bit slower in clockspeed but depending on games, resolution and refresh rate you might never notice the difference and you can get 8c/16T for the same price as an 8c8T from intel.

    Also note that if you intend to stick with intel that the 9th gen intel GPU-less CPU's are getting a (small) price cut of around 25$ if you don't need the iGPU.
     
  5. wantapple

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    ppl still buying intel? makes no sense at all.
     
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    If gaming is your most consistently CPU taxing load (as it probably is for most people), then the 9700K is your best choice.
     
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    Why post this?! Yes, people (ppl) are still buying Intel as it's still a solid product. AMD is making terrific strides as well, but not everyone wants to make the change.

    OP: In hindsite I should've just ordered the 9700K and saved the coin. My 2 bits..
     
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    At WORST an i5-9600k/9700k/9900k are going to be EQUAL in gaming performance to AMD's best CPUs. At BEST they'll be quite a bit AHEAD. Intel isn't even worse cost-wise; the 9600k is $200 and the 9700k is $300 if you have a MicroCenter nearby and they're both easily overclockable to 5Ghz which puts them ahead of anything that AMD has for gaming.
     
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    i7 8700k is no slouch.
     
  11. Cr4ckm0nk3y

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    9700K is an awesome gaming chip if you don't need the extra threads. Mine will easily do 5.1 with a AIO cooler.

    With Microcenter you can get the 9700K for $300 and a discount on the MB.

    If your rig mixes gaming and a lot of productivity then look at the 3700X or 9900K.
     
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    Simple question: Are you an avid overclocker who tinkers with things or are you the person who is buying a K cpu just cause your favorite reviewer in sandals and socks said so?
    And how long do you intend to keep this system.

    If you are a fanboy whose buying things to increase his or her epeen, and realistically will purchase a new setup in 5 years or less, then save the cash and buy either a 9700 non K and enjoy. Any 9 series CPU is basically gonna be outdated in less then a year.

    If you are keeping this long haul, I mean until the proverbial wheels fall off on this setup, then by all means pick up a 9900k, and enjoy. Run it stock, and when things slow down, bump that puppy up.


    Dont care if you prefer AMD or Intel, the same holds for any brand,
     
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    Almost cyber monday, might be worth it to wait a bit. Last month the 9900KF was only $420. Since you seem to rarely upgrade I would spend the extra few bucks for a 9900KF (it's a 9900K without the iGPU, I am assuming you use a discrete GPU).

    If you're not a high refresh user (90 Hz minimums +), AMD basically does the same thing for less with something like a 3700x. Intel only shines in the high refresh area.
     
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    Even if you do a lot of Productivity, you would be hard pressed to notice an advantage for the 3700x, or 9900K. They will pretty much only pull ahead in extreme parallel functions like 3D Rendering (which almost no one does, and is done better by GPU anyway) or Video Encoding, which ISN'T a real time activity anyway. Who cares if an hour of encoding takes ten minutes longer. You aren't going to sit there watching it encode.
     
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    Intel announced slight price drop on the 9700KF (MSRP $349) so that would be my pick in your useage scenario. I might swap my poorly overclocking 8600K for 9700kf myself, come Black Friday, at ~$329 I'm willing to bite. :)

    Edit: I'm from Finland so it costs right now 389€ incl 24% VAT but the KF variant is 399€ and above which should be like $25 cheaper according to "price guidelines" (whatever that plays any role these days.)
     
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    security flaws = NO-GO
     
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    While it's true Intel is more susceptible to the security flaws Meltdown & Spectra, the performance impact is mainly if not entirely affected during certain applications, eg; Virtual Machines. Gaming performance on Intel processors dropped by 3-4% on average, 5% at most.
     
  18. Keljian

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    Having had two of the CPUs in question (9700k and 9900k) My advice is either get an 8700k or a 9900k, skip the 9700k

    I found the 9700k with Windows scheduler and background tasks to cause issues with games in the form of stuttering, and it is well behind in productivity than either of the other chips.

    if you multitask at all, either the 8700k or the 9900k are better chips than the 9700k
     
  19. Snowdog

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    Gamers Nexus tests for this pretty heavily and they didn't have any issues with 9700K, neither did any of the other pro reviews I read.

    So I think your problem with the 9700K, was unique to you.
     
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    I must be a special snowflake. How come all of those issues disappeared when I replaced the 9700 with the 9900?

    I think half the problem was the scheduler, half the problem was things like slack.
     
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    I haven't seen any stuttering, even when streaming or running numerous background apps for VR, but everyone's setup is different.

    I have read on numerous forums that Slack can cause stuttering on rigs. Don't know why and never replicated it but a simple internet search will bring up posts.
     
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    This problem is either a buggy Bios, buggy 9700k microcode, a buggy windows update (yeah!) or in some rare cases, a defective chip (IMC, etc) in which case the problem is the chip sample, not the chips in general.
    I've seen people complain about lag like that when overclocking their RAM too far.

    I never had any issues when I disabled hyperthreading on my 9900k. And I'm sure forums and reddit would be exploding if this were a thing. I mean, why don't we see people saving 8600Ks and 9600K's are not usable?
     
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    Usually weird problems are caused by HT not by removing it that is a bit odd.