Is it worth going from 6700k to Ryzen 3000 ?

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  1. reaper7534!

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    Mostly game but do some light streaming also. The 6700k does most everything well, but does struggle here and there. What kind of improvement could I see moving to the 3000 series ? Gamers Nexus loves the 3600, but seems underwhelmed by the 3700x which was going to be my choice. If I go AMD, what processor would be worthwhile.

    FYI, will most likely go with the following

    Gigabyte X570 Pro ATX
    Gskill Trident Z RGB 3200 mhz 16 GB


    Already have

    Dominator 3000 mhz Cas 15 ( don't know if it will be compatible )
    Strix 1070 OC
    HX850 PSU

    WIll move over all water cooling components
     
  2. legcramp

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    For gaming? Probably not much, I would just upgrade the video card if anything.
     
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  3. RamonGTP

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    Your ram will probably work just fine even at 3200mhz though you may need to relax your timings to C16 or 17 which still wouldn't be bad. There's definitely an advantage to be had if you stream a lot.

    My advise? Wait until September for the 3950x and browse the FS forum for a 2 month old 3600, 3700x, 3900x at a nice discount. x570 BIOS' should also have major bugs worked out by then as well.
     
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  4. somebrains

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    You could upgrade to a 2070 super/2080/1080ti.
    Take a look at the MC inland nvme 1tb drive.

    There, 6700k maxed out.

    I’d argue an open loop isn’t going to be worth it since I’ve clocked 7700k’s to 5ghz without delidding it using an h115i.
    I currently have a 1080ti with a kraken g12, evga 120mm clc, noctua 92mm fan that’s sat all day 19xx MHz at 47c tops.
    It wanted to be at 2100mhz with the fan at 100%, but it really doesn’t do much for framerate.

    2600 at 3.9ghz running blackout at 1440p on my 160fps limit.
    Again 4.2 is doable, but framerate isn’t that improved over how much heat and drama with lots of case fans and radiators blasting.

    It’s also sat on 235fps playing Overwatch with an Acer XB2.

    So all things being equal my old 7700k or current 2600 are fine with a 1080ti or better.

    What you need to think about is a dedicated streaming pc.
    I’ve used a 2014 i7 Mac mini with a usb capture card and it was fine.
    Streaming boxes don’t need much more than 4 cores, 8gb ram, basic graphics unless you plan on using it as an editing box as well as creative output like thumbnails or intro animations.
    Arguably a lot of people use very little as creatives.
    Think MacBook Airs or Minis at work.
    Then the Intel/amd thing is less about the gear and about the software you use.

    Most creative software I’d rather use Intel.

    Game on whatever you want, that’s not really anything in this can of worms.
     
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  5. TMCM

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    I'm in a similar boat although I don't do any streaming. My use is gaming/HTPC. I decided to sit this gen out and see what Zen2+/Zen3 or whatever Intel has at the time. Looking at the reviews that include the 7700k the improvement in min/max fps isn't worth the expense.
     
  6. sirmonkey1985

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    if all you do is game and stream i'd go with the 3600 or 3600x out of the zen 2 lineup.. 6/12 is more than enough for that and won't break the bank either. everything else you currently have would work fine with it but memory speed is pretty important with ryzen and ddr4 3600 is cheap right now if you don't need bleeding edge memory timings. also i'd look at the gigabyte x570 elite, damn good board for 200 bucks and is the same exact board as the pro wifi you're looking at except without a cover for the bottom m.2 slot and the wifi which you can get a pcie 1x wifi card for less than the 70 dollar price difference if you absolutely needed it and use the savings to buy faster memory ;)

    all that being said though gaming wise it's probably going to be a lateral move but will probably gain more on the streaming side of things. but i agree i'd say wait if your system is still working fine for you, see how much money peoples buyers remorse ends up saving you in a couple months.
     
  7. OrangeKhrush

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    GamersNexus have covered this in detail that have started to show the 9600K and 8600K having major frame drops in newer games which are starting to leverage greater threads, the 7700K is also destroy in Battlefield 5 tests, Farcry 5 and AC Origins also showing quad cores getting pulverized in newer titles.

    While you can still get away with it, in overall computer usage current gen is significantly faster.
     
  8. TMCM

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    Pulverized? hardly. OP would be better off selling his 1070 and buying a 2070 or 2080 and if he has a mobo that supports it overclock his 6600K.

    Edit: should say 6700k not 6600k
     
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  9. OrangeKhrush

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    This is just one bench in a game that is one of a handful known to leverage threads over clockspeed and the 7600K is struggling. This is the way games are moving now, more engines are moving to thread intensive and if this bench is something to go by then the 3600 is a major upgrade over a 6600K
     
  10. Tazman2

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    I went from a 6700k @ 4.6ghz to a 2700 @ 4.0 ghz and my games smoothed out so I assume the minimum FPS went up nicely. Now with a new 3800X @ 4.2 ghz they are even smoother. So now take apps that can benefit from the extra cores and its a win win if you don't mind spending the money! :)
     
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  11. TMCM

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    OP has a 6700k not 7600K and also has a 1070 not a 2080ti. He will see a significantly better improvement in gaming spending his money on a newer gpu than switching over to a Zen2
     
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  12. OrangeKhrush

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    He asked which AMD CPU to improve to, he also did not stipulate resolution but for 1080P gaming a 2080ti is not only more expensive to upgrade to than going to a 3600/570 to a 2070. At 1080P his CPU will start to show age, I went up from a 4790K and noticed performance difference in Battlefield 1, 5 and Rust. A 2080ti is a very expensive upgrade only to run into a CPU bottleneck
     
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    He is fine gaming with his 6700k.
    He is streaming, so any impact from settings and workload are very much part of this conversation.

    4790k isn't a 1:1 here.

    A GPU upgrade can have impact but we don't know what encoder he is using, nor do we know his output settings.

    CPU impact streaming has a quality gate, there are guys out there pushing the limits of 9900k builds using a 2nd dedicated streaming box bc CPU and or GPU impact is pushing their gameplay performance down a tier or 2 equivalent.

    There are also streamers using a 2nd box just bc the games they're playing will crash regardless of the components and they want to be able to maintain stream uptime to retain paying customers.

    That's something to consider in this specific use case.
     
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  14. maxius

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    this is a yes to the op's question /thread
     
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    The graph you posted they were using a 2080TI, I didn't suggest OP buy one. I was saying bang for the buck, OP would be better off replacing the 1070 with a 2070 vs buying a Gigabyte X570 Pro and 3600 and still using the 1070 (and is about the same price or slightly cheaper).

    I'm not anti AMD (just look at my sig) I just think that for most cases if you are already on a 6700k or newer platform, the performance increase doesn't justify the expense.
     
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  16. reaper7534!

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    To add info.

    Have a Gigabyte Z170x gaming.
    950 Pro Nvme m.2

    The 6700k or the MB is a poor overclocker so I run it stock. Both the CPU and GPU are on custom loop.
    I currently game at 2560x1440 at 165 hz Gsync monitor. Plan to stream at 1080p at 60 fps, but will drop to 720 if needed. Also use x264 encoder at which ever preset gives the best performance/quality. Not opposed to Nvenc either.
     
  17. maxius

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    yeah i would just do it no reason not to 144hz monitor and your not playing at 144hz you are cheating yourself get that cpu upgrade
     
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    Taking another look, you could use a GPU upgrade, but really since you'd need a platform upgrade to increase cores either way, I'd go with that first. If you're streaming, you want your rendered frametimes to be minimized, and four CPU cores with stuff running in the background is going to turn out worse results than any benchmark.

    You'd want to do this regardless. Getting a newer GPU, AMD or Nvidia, would help here too, but as it stands you can get going with a 1070 just fine.
     
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  19. Niner21

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    Another vote for upgrading the GPU instead of going Zen 2.
     
  20. maxius

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    the bottleneck in his system is the cpu. the socket his system has is dead. he would get more of a preference uplift by a new R3K cpu than a gpu.
     
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    Stick with your 6700K, its a waste of money changing it.
     
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    The 3600 might be underperforming compared to the 3700, but it is worlds apart from your 6700K.

    But that depends on what it is struggling in... So unsure if its best to upgrade now or later....
     
  23. maxius

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    The thing i dont get is the intel people in this thread. his current cpu is 3 generations old and amd has something that wipes the floor with it and will unlock more performance out of his current gpu and people are saying stay with it and upgrade the gpu this is madness... pure madness...
     
  24. Nenu

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    lol, its your post that is the wreck.
    Check his GPU and what he wants to do with it.
     
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  25. maxius

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    His Strix 1070 OC is fine full stop 2070 super will give him 20 more fps
     
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  26. Nenu

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    If you feel he is CPU lmited with a 6700K and a 1070 @ 60fps, please show us how.
     
  27. maxius

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    lets not dart off here he wants to stream what he has now is a 4 core cpu with hyper-threading if he streams with it his 6700k will get crushed
     
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  28. Nenu

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    You will no doubt have evidence.
     
  29. maxius

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    wile im digging this up you present your evidence he will benefit from a better gpu
     
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    Nice way to back out lol.
     
  31. maxius

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    You were saying... Here is your evidence actual users of a 6700k see this thread.

     
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    What thread?
     
  33. maxius

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    also the OP "The 6700k does most everything well, but does struggle here and there"

    a cpu upgrade will serve his needs more than gpu upgrade at this time.

    note the key to a good upgrade is determine the users issue and listen then determine their use case.

    <3 have a good one everyone here
     
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  34. noko

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    I use a 6700K and for most games it still is excellent. BUT to steam and game? NFW using the CPU. Using the encoding of the graphics card should be ok for lower quality broadcasting. With more cores, such as Ryzen 3 with good number of cores you can steam at max quality and let the graphics card just game.

    Gaming wise the 6700K is pretty good yet, you can see some hitching and variations in frame times especially if you have background stuff going on. Newer games will use 8 threads, adding stuff in the background will affect those type of game engines and you may notice some stutters along the way.
     
  35. IdiotInCharge

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    This glaring claim shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.


    For the OP: the chosen application would make use of a CPU upgrade and a GPU upgrade, so the question is which would help more / which is more of a detriment. A CPU upgrade won't make games much faster, but it would make gaming and streaming smoother, and that's pretty important for streaming.
     
  36. TMCM

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    ah ha! We get much needed additional info. I'll 2nd what idiotincharge recommended. It sounded like on your original post that you did a little streaming but were more concerned with gaming performance so I didn't see a need to change platforms. I'm spoiled with my chip (4.8 Ghz @1.3v) but if you're running stock and you do a lot of streaming then yes a platform change with additional cores will help quite a bit with stutters as you stream. I'd look and see if the memory you have will work with whichever mobo you get and put that $$$ towards a GPU though.
     
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    Lots of good info guys. I appreciate it. At some point i will upgrade the GPU, but not sure when. Its not as simple as just buying the GPU, i have to factor in a block and backplate. Strix super is going around 550, plus another 200 in cooling hardware.

    When i do upgrade the gpu it will be a 2070 super. Id like to try the next generation of amd, but then i lose gsync.

    Will probably 6 months before full upgrade, damn engagement ring
     
  38. SilverSliver

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    I'm doing this upgrade right now, but I have a 1080ti and game at 4k. Also work at home, so the beefier M2 solutions and horsepower will be helpful. If I did not need to build a second computer for the kids to use, which is what my old parts will turn into, I'd probably struggle to justify upgrading just yet. But, that 6700k is going to murder ABC Mouse.
     
  39. DrLobotomy

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    Put a big ol fat Noctua D14 on your existing CPU and OC it.
     
  40. Fremunaln

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    What do you want to do exactly and how much are you willing to pay are the general questions everyone needs to ask themselves?

    Is this a 90% gaming rig or a 50% video editing/productivity setup coupled with gaming?

    If your gaming, what games are you primarily into? Are they biased toward single thread performance or are they leveraging MC?

    If your into productivity same question, how well does your productivity sw leverage cores vs single thread performance?

    After all thats determined figure out what fits and what doesnt in your budget with what you currently are getting out of the 6700K

    Rudimentary sage advice has been Intel for single threaded performance AMD for MC. The IPC gap has been narrowed significantly, but Intel still gets the raw numbers technically.