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Is Cooling necessary on M.2 SSD?

Discussion in 'SSDs & Data Storage' started by Happy Hopping, May 17, 2017.

Is cooling necessary on M.2 SSD (SATA or NVME)

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. with or without cooling, No difference

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  1. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    Well, I've found one way to cool a M.2 drive...an EVGA GTX 1080 Ti. Card only runs at 50-55c, so the exhaust tends to *cool* my SSDs and keep them from going over 48 or so, about 3-5 degrees less than they did with my GTX 970 blower card.

    Downside: this solution is a bit pricier than a couple of stick on heatsinks.
    Upside: You could toss in the heatsinks and barely notice the increase in your shopping cart total.

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  2. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    Instead of a video card, you do know they sell PCI E card, in which the card itself is nothing but 2 x giant fans
     
  3. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    Lemme check how many PCIe slots I have left...

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  4. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    if it were watersport, it should bring the temperature down further :D
     
  5. Skylinestar

    Skylinestar Limp Gawd

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    I would love to install an M2 drive but the slot is just under the graphics card. My room ambient temperature is 95F and I'm worried it will be detrimental to an M2 drive if it's designed in such a bad spot on a mobo.
    Should I be worried?
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  6. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    to me, the risk of a SSD failure is very worrisome. And since the cost to prevent it is quite low, and that those heatsink is easy to install, I am in the midst of digging the memory pack brand or equivalent to make it happen
     
  7. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    Let me put it this way: no matter what temperature, a M.2 SSD is still less likely to fail than a spinning hard drive in the same case.

    Also, does your board support using your GPU on the 2nd or 3rd PCIe x 16 slot? The more space between those components the cooler the temps.
     
  8. vegeta535

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    How do you live/work in a room that is 95F @.@
     
  9. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    go w/ what STR said. I did the same thing. Not for m.2 reason, but because my giant CPU fan blocks the 1st PCI e x 16, so I use my 2nd PCI e x 16 slot
     
  10. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    Anyhoo, say you have a dual fan on your video card, and your fan is blowing air next to your m.2 SSD, like the above ASRock photo. Is the fans on your video card blowing hot air towards your M.2? because the fan should circulating air, and what comes out, should be hot air. If so, doesn't that makes your m.2 hotter?
     
  11. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    Depends on how hot the air coming from the GPU is. If your GPU stays at 50c (like mine), the air coming off the card is probably about 40c. 40c air will still cool a SSD running at 50c.

    25c air will cool a SSD better, but that doesn't mean the GPU is making things hotter.
     
  12. Skylinestar

    Skylinestar Limp Gawd

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    It's hot as hell (humidity at 85%) but there's nothing I can do other than spending on electricity bills with AC running 24/7. At that temperature, I'm always sweating. Wearing headset for gaming is impossible (ears sweat). Heck my working site (fixing pressured vessel) is 110F.
     
  13. STR

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  14. Happy Hopping

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    I am thinking of this idea: I have a Lamptron fan controller. It c/w 6 sensors. Assuming I get some heatsink, I can use cable ties to tie the sensor to the heat sink on the M.2 SSD, that way, I would know the exact temperature.
     
  15. ChoGGi

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    SIV (system info viewer) will show you the temp the drive reports.
    I know you can use it to auto adjust fan speeds with a corsair commander mini or a nzxt grid v2, but no idea about that lamptron.
     
  16. Happy Hopping

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    Not w/ Lamptron. But it's very simple. You see the display at 30 deg. C, you're happy, if it's at 40 deg. C, you turn up the dial
     
  17. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    I have my SSDs report their temp to SpeedFan, which will ramp up the fans on a curve from 38c (min speed) to 45c (full speed).
     
  18. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    my next motherboard will have 2 x 140 mm fan blowing on the 2nd m.2, so no problem there. But it's the 1st m.2 that is sandwiched between the sound card and the video card that it will be a concern. Because a 2 slot wide video card is sitting next to it. So I'm not even sure if a heat sink is possible
     
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    I dig out an Intel m.2 SSD today, it's 480GB, the chips surface is only as thin as a credit card. It's hard to imagine something this thin creates a lot of heat. But on the other hand, if it does, for chips this thin, wouldn't it be easy to burn out the chip?
     
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    I just went the copper RAM heatsink on the controller route. Works fine.
     
  23. STR

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    CPU dies are pretty small, but generate enough heat to boil water.
     
  24. Happy Hopping

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    photos?
     
  25. Happy Hopping

    Happy Hopping [H]ardness Supreme

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    alright, I'll find a US retailer and order a few of these
     
  26. daglesj

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    I switched to black recently because...black!

    [​IMG]

    Idles at 39c/102F and max I've managed to push it to is 57c/134F.

    The sinks were part of a double Raspberry Pi set.
     
  27. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    Only if the SSD reports temps that you'e uncomfortable with. Before adding heatsinks, my SSDs would peak at 50c. That's well within specs (70c max operating temp). With heatsinks, they peak at about 40-42c now with an overclocked GTX 1080 Ti blowing hot air on it in a ITX cube 11 inches square. Also well within spec. By all indications, I didn't need to do any of this. You might not have to either.

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  28. Nebulous

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    I noticed my PNY M2 Nvme ran hotter than satan's ass. Idled @ 60-ish and under activity ramped up close to 72-74c. For shits and giggles I put my fingertip on it just to see how how it really was. Needless to say that wasn't fun :eek: So I shopped around and picked up some old school memory heatsinks by Thermaltake from flebay.

    The smaller 2 1/2" sinks are the perfect size and with some thermal tape and zipties I attached it to the M2. Had a 60mm fan in my box-o-junk and mounted it so it would blow air across the heatsink and away from it. Temps on the drive are: Idle = 29c and under activity just blips up to 33c :D

    You'll notice the 60mm fan is to the right of the M2 in the last pic.

    Total cost for cooling: Under $20
     

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  29. STR

    STR Limp Gawd

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    How loud is the fan?
     
  30. Nebulous

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    It's an older 60mm fan from the AMD 754/939 days. The blades have an incline curve to them and I can't hear it at full bore :D.

    Lemme see if i can get info from the back of it.

    *Edit* Found it:

    Specs:

    Dimensions: 60mm x 60mm x 15mm

    Bearing: Ball

    RPM: 3,000 RPM

    Airflow: 14.7 CFM

    Noise Level: 24.6 dBA

    Power Connector: 3 Pin

    Rated Voltage: 12 VDC

    Operating Voltage: 10.8 - 13.2 V

    Input Power: 1.2 W

    Input Current: 0.1A

    RPM Sensor: Yes
     

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  31. westrock2000

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    On Intel 600p, moved sticker to backside.

    Used these two things

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  32. Nebulous

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    That's kinda permanent isn't it?
     
  33. Happy Hopping

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    how much is the thermaltake and exactly how does it stick to the SSD?

    how do you mount that 60 mm cooling fan? Cable ties?

    P.S. You could remove that warranty sticker first
     
  34. Happy Hopping

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    see, this is why I'm seriously thinking of putting the video card at the x8 link to avoid your problem
     
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    1) The 2 Thermaltake mem sets were $14
    2) Thermal tape & zipties
    3) Used a pci slot cover and bent it into a clip. fan screwed on, then clipped into place
    4)Yes, already removed before adding sink
     
  36. STR

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    Umm...I don't have a problem. Everything is, and was always, operating 20-30c below max temps. I just wanted lower temps because...well...that's half the hobby.
     
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  37. YeuEmMaiMai

    YeuEmMaiMai [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I have a 2014 Dell Venue 11 Pro with a 256GB SSD and it has lasted just fine with very little cooling