Is Apple making an 'iPad Pro' with a stylus?

Betauser said:
The more I read about this device, I'm becoming more interested but damn that Keyboard is expensive lol. I'm guessing I will see more people in starbucks soon with this device instead of their macbook/air.
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I found it very interesting that they didn't live demo that keyboard cover. It looks to be a pretty uninspired design that looks like tons of existing products. The port is a good idea and no doubt there will be many people coming up with their own designs like Logitech has already.
 
heatlesssun said:
I found it very interesting that they didn't live demo that keyboard cover. It looks to be a pretty uninspired design that looks like tons of existing products. The port is a good idea and no doubt there will be many people coming up with their own designs like Logitech has already.
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oohh.. I like that Logitech one. But anythign over $100 is too much for keyboard unless it's mechanical keyboard.
 
Betauser said:
oohh.. I like that Logitech one. But anythign over $100 is too much for keyboard unless it's mechanical keyboard.
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It's pretty clear that there's a good deal of markup on these things. The $129 for the Surface Type Cover draws much criticism and arguably if a Surface is the tablet that can replace a laptop the why is the keyboard $129 extra?
 
heatlesssun said:
It's pretty clear that there's a good deal of markup on these things. The $129 for the Surface Type Cover draws much criticism and arguably if a Surface is the tablet that can replace a laptop the why is the keyboard $129 extra?
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Because not everyone buying a Surface needs it. They'll either move the Surface between docks/workstations where they have a normal keyboard anyways or they are simply using the surface as a high end tablet only.

Even with the $130 type cover expense the surface is priced competitively IMO and really you don't /have/ to buy it even if you want a mobile keyboard. There are third party solutions that are way cheaper. Of course, they don't work as well as the type cover though.
 
CEpeep said:
So it runs all my apps? Out of the box? Without me having to re-buy or re-engineer any of them? Great, we'll take 1500.
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I am curious about this statement.

What apps are you talking about? If you are talking about apps only for the iOS ecosystem.. Any app designed for a mobile specific OS has compromises typically compared to what is available on a normal desktop OS. The Surface is running full blown Windows 10.

Be it graphic design, modeling/CAD, legal, editing, music, etc every app the corporate environment / a business needs is already on Windows. Just because you may have to ditch the money you spent on iOS apps doesn't mean you will loose support going to the Surface. If anything you'll be saving money in the long run because now you're just buying more licenses and support packages from Microsoft which you were already doing anyways for your desktop machines.

In fact many companies have already ditched the iPads and desktops and now run only Surface 3's. Full software support is already there with exchange/office/one note, and now instead of buying employees both a workstation for their desk and an ipad/laptop they only have to buy one device (Surface) for each employee.

Going back to more on topic - This is the biggest issue with the iPad Pro. I see it as a fine consumer/entertainment device on the high-end of the iPad scale, but calling it a 'professional' level device is frankly a joke. I can't do all my legal work (Insert profession here) on an enlarged iPad. I'd still need a MacBook/laptop.
 
Mchart said:
Going back to more on topic - This is the biggest issue with the iPad Pro. I see it as a fine consumer/entertainment device on the high-end of the iPad scale, but calling it a 'professional' level device is frankly a joke. I can't do all my legal work (Insert profession here) on an enlarged iPad. I'd still need a MacBook/laptop.
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An number of mobile OS devices have used the "Pro" moniker to distinguish them as devices that can be used in some capacity for traditional productive work, and indeed the iPad Pro does look to have these same basic capabilities. Large screen, physical keyboard and some type of onscreen multitasking.

Some people in this thread seem to count the idea that the iPad Pro is less functional that a laptop but that makes no sense to me. Could an iPad Pro replace a laptop for some people. Sure. But it's hard for me to imagine that a working professional would use an iPad Pro as their only computing device beyond a phone. Something like the Surface Pro could certainly be a the only device that many professionals would need beyond a phone. And that's why I think the Surface Pro 3 seems to have done well. It is a very capable hybrid that can be used as a tablet, laptop and even desktop with the dock. In this regard the iPad Pro is certainly not as functional.
 
heatlesssun said:
An number of mobile OS devices have used the "Pro" moniker to distinguish them as devices that can be used in some capacity for traditional productive work, and indeed the iPad Pro does look to have these same basic capabilities. Large screen, physical keyboard and some type of onscreen multitasking.

Some people in this thread seem to count the idea that the iPad Pro is less functional that a laptop but that makes no sense to me. Could an iPad Pro replace a laptop for some people. Sure. But it's hard for me to imagine that a working professional would use an iPad Pro as their only computing device beyond a phone. Something like the Surface Pro could certainly be a the only device that many professionals would need beyond a phone. And that's why I think the Surface Pro 3 seems to have done well. It is a very capable hybrid that can be used as a tablet, laptop and even desktop with the dock. In this regard the iPad Pro is certainly not as functional.
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You seemingly argue with yourself and arrived at the same conclusion. The iPad pro is a fine high end iPad. The "pro" part of the device absolutely does not fit though given, as you stated, it is as limited/capable as a normal iPad is. You can't replace your laptop with a device running iOS for anyone doing production. Yet - this is how Apple is attempting to sell the device, and with it at the same price point as a Surface it's insane IMO.
 
I know I've seen many different vendors beer, soda etc. using iPads. Even in the hospital here they use iPads. Apply does make different software for these companies to use the iPad! Not the same ios we use.
 
Mchart said:
You seemingly argue with yourself and arrived at the same conclusion. The iPad pro is a fine high end iPad. The "pro" part of the device absolutely does not fit though given, as you stated, it is as limited/capable as a normal iPad is. You can't replace your laptop with a device running iOS for anyone doing production. Yet - this is how Apple is attempting to sell the device, and with it at the same price point as a Surface it's insane IMO.
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I was just pointing out that there is some debate about just how well an iPad Pro c an replace a laptop. Some have asked the question "What can't an iPad Pro do that can be done on a MacBook?" Obviously the answer is a lot especially when talking about higher end MacBooks. But maybe many could get by without those things on a very portable device. But outside of the Apple world there are many decent tablet/laptop hybrids no more expensive than the iPad Pro plus the extra $269 for the keyboard and pen.

The way I see it is that maybe Apple could get some potential MacBook buyers to get and iPad Pro as a "cheap' MacBook. Which does make sense to me In the Apple world but in the Windows world is crazy that a $1000 device that's not even a laptop is a "cheap" laptop replacement.
 
Airbrushkid said:
I know I've seen many different vendors beer, soda etc. using iPads. Even in the hospital here they use iPads. Apply does make different software for these companies to use the iPad! Not the same ios we use.
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Sure, iPads and other tablets can be great for vertical applications. But that's not really the market for something the size and cost of the iPad Pro.
 
heatlesssun said:
I was just pointing out that there is some debate about just how well an iPad Pro c an replace a laptop. Some have asked the question "What can't an iPad Pro do that can be done on a MacBook?" Obviously the answer is a lot especially when talking about higher end MacBooks. .
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I would bet that the vast majority of people spend all their laptop time in some potential combination of:

1: Web Browser (and maybe a couple of dedicated internet applications like email).
2: Productivity suite.
3: Media consumption.
4: Simple photo editing.
5: Simple Games.

I would bet that covers over 90% of the populations use of a laptop. All things easily handled on something like an iPad Pro.

People always trot out things like Autocad/Photoshop, but the reality is that those are expensive professional applications that most people won't have on their laptops.

I really don't think using an iPad Pro as a laptop is much of stretch for most people.

For those who have a powerhouse laptop as their main desktop, sure iPad Pro is not there yet, but for someone looking for a lightweight travel machine, I don't see much problem making this work.
 
Snowdog said:
For those who have a powerhouse laptop as their main desktop, sure iPad Pro is not there yet, but for someone looking for a lightweight travel machine, I don't see much problem making this work.
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying and it makes sense in the Apple world. There are not a lot of options at $1000 in the MacBook world. But there are TONS of options at that price point in the Windows world, including good pen enabled tablet/laptop hybrids including the Surface Pro line. And people paying $1000 for tablets and laptops in the Windows world typically have higher demands as $1000 is well above the average price of a Windows.

I'm not knocking the iPad Pro and I think it will be successful but I think what I'm saying here is just obvious common sense.
 
Snowdog said:
I would bet that the vast majority of people spend all their laptop time in some potential combination of:

1: Web Browser (and maybe a couple of dedicated internet applications like email).
2: Productivity suite.
3: Media consumption.
4: Simple photo editing.
5: Simple Games.

I would bet that covers over 90% of the populations use of a laptop. All things easily handled on something like an iPad Pro.

People always trot out things like Autocad/Photoshop, but the reality is that those are expensive professional applications that most people won't have on their laptops.

I really don't think using an iPad Pro as a laptop is much of stretch for most people.

For those who have a powerhouse laptop as their main desktop, sure iPad Pro is not there yet, but for someone looking for a lightweight travel machine, I don't see much problem making this work.
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It sure as hell is a stretch when the cost of an IPad pro + Keyboard is BARELY cheaper than an air
 
VladDracule said:
It sure as hell is a stretch when the cost of an IPad pro + Keyboard is BARELY cheaper than an air
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The low-end Macbook Air and the iPad Pro are aimed at completely different consumers. These two customer groups have vastly different budgets and purchasing power, despite both of the products being close in price.
 
VladDracule said:
It sure as hell is a stretch when the cost of an IPad pro + Keyboard is BARELY cheaper than an air
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True but still just not a lot of options for MacBook buyers at this price so the iPad Pro dose present itself as possible option for people in the Apple ecosystem, especially those who want a digital pen or tablet/laptop hybrid option where Apple has zilch in that market right now.
 
VladDracule said:
It sure as hell is a stretch when the cost of an IPad pro + Keyboard is BARELY cheaper than an air
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In many ways it is better than an MB Air.

Last time I checked the MB Air has a low resolution TN screen (poor viewing angles).

Plus you get tablet ability.

It would be no contest for me. I would get the iPad Pro if those were my choices.
 
I won't be buying it. It is just to weak to me. If it ran OSX then I would buy in a heat beat. iOS is just weak. I'll stay with my plans and buy Cintiq Companion 2 have a very good pen and it a full os not a weak mobile os. And I can my Photoshop on it.
 
Airbrushkid said:
I won't be buying it. It is just to weak to me. If it ran OSX then I would buy in a heat beat. iOS is just weak. I'll stay with my plans and buy Cintiq Companion 2 have a very good pen and it a full os not a weak mobile os. And I can my Photoshop on it.
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From what I read about Cintiq Companion, I would suggest you just get a Surface Pro if you want Windows. SP 4 should be announced in Oct.
 
Nope no Surface. Changing battery is almost impossible. Cintig can be done. And I draw a lot. Like a lot of artist out there do digital they use Wacom. And I have already tried it and love it.



Snowdog said:
From what I read about Cintiq Companion, I would suggest you just get a Surface Pro if you want Windows. SP 4 should be announced in Oct.
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Airbrushkid said:
Nope no Surface. Changing battery is almost impossible. Cintig can be done. And I draw a lot. Like a lot of artist out there do digital they use Wacom. And I have already tried it and love it.
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The N-Trig actually is more precise I find. I find it better then what I experienced with the Wacom setup on the Surface 2.
Changing battery? If the battery ever fails just take it to a Microsoft store, no different then any Apple product.

By the time the battery actually needs to be replaced it will have outlasted the usefulness of the device.

But yeah, if you ONLY want to draw the Cintig is obviously purpose built for that. Me personally, I don't want to carry around multiple devices so i'll stick with the surface. I mean, yes it's a windows tablet.. But it just isn't built like the Surface is in a way that allows it to be easily converted between both a laptop/tablet. Still a way better choice then an ipad pro.
 
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Snowdog said:
In many ways it is better than an MB Air.

Last time I checked the MB Air has a low resolution TN screen (poor viewing angles).

Plus you get tablet ability.

It would be no contest for me. I would get the iPad Pro if those were my choices.
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This is a possible scenario for would be iPad Pro users. I am genuinely curious as to how the iPad Pro will be perceived as a laptop replacement. Sure, for many who don't need traditional laptop capabilities or use more powerful desktop class software it could do the trick. One issue that it will face is its "lapability" like the Surface line has but that's a general problem with convertible form factors. While I like the idea of a touchscreen laptop and use the touchscreen constantly even on something like an SP3 with the keyboard attached, to be forced to use it in lieu of a mouse/trackpad is something that I think could be problematic.
 
heatlesssun said:
This is a possible scenario for would be iPad Pro users. I am genuinely curious as to how the iPad Pro will be perceived as a laptop replacement. Sure, for many who don't need traditional laptop capabilities or use more powerful desktop class software it could do the trick. One issue that it will face is its "lapability" like the Surface line has but that's a general problem with convertible form factors. While I like the idea of a touchscreen laptop and use the touchscreen constantly even on something like an SP3 with the keyboard attached, to be forced to use it in lieu of a mouse/trackpad is something that I think could be problematic.
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These are generation 1 issues.

But I expect now that they have included the first keyboard they will be enhancing capabilities in this direction. My form factor preference for a convertible has always been something like Lenovo Yoga, since it doesn't really give up much, if anything in terms of "lapability".
 
Snowdog said:
These are generation 1 issues.

But I expect now that they have included the first keyboard they will be enhancing capabilities in this direction. My form factor preference for a convertible has always been something like Lenovo Yoga, since it doesn't really give up much, if anything in terms of "lapability".
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And thus the problem with conversion devices. A device with a permanently attached or even full size and weight keyboard is still a laptop either always or in total weight. A device with a light-weight detachable keyboard will always be top heavy. The Surface Pro has tried to solve the problem at least partially with a kickstand but that has it's own issues.

The only way practical solution I see which isn't particularly practical is multiple keyboard types. Something like a lightweight keyboard cover and/or a full sized folding keyboard dock with enough weight to offset the tablet section in the lap. If Apple has a way to solve this problem in an elegant way that has eluded others I'd love to see it.
 
heatlesssun said:
And thus the problem with conversion devices. A device with a permanently attached or even full size and weight keyboard is still a laptop either always or in total weight.
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Which doesn't bother me for a big convertible (12"+), since these are kind of big and unwieldy as tablets anyway, and I would use it resting on lap/table even when using it as a tablet.

I would use this mode on table/lap:
http://www.infinite-solutions.biz/w...1_silver-gray_Hero_09_interface_1188_1085.jpg
 
IMHO in the end none of that matters - people will buy them because they want big super powerful iPad and the keyboards/pencils will lie forgotten.
 
Snowdog said:
Which doesn't bother me for a big convertible (12"+), since these are kind of big and unwieldy as tablets anyway, and I would use it resting on lap/table even when using it as a tablet.

I would use this mode on table/lap:
http://www.infinite-solutions.biz/w...1_silver-gray_Hero_09_interface_1188_1085.jpg
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Guess I get now why you'd rather see an integrated stand in the iPad Pro over pen support. There is no right or wrong answer and it comes down to personal preference. I think a permanently attached keyboard just makes an already big and heavy tablet that much bigger with the keyboard but the trade off comes with "lapability".
 
Michaelius said:
IMHO in the end none of that matters - people will buy them because they want big super powerful iPad and the keyboards/pencils will lie forgotten.
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While this no doubt help fuel initial sales this is an $800 device. While tablet sales have crashed overall the iPad has been hit even harder I think in part due to its pricing. I don't think that the average consumer is looking to spend even more money on something that they would use primarily as an entertainment/media consumption tablet.

This is why Apple is offering the keyboard cover and pen and the "Pro" moniker, to appeal to an market that wont' have a problem with the price no repeat purchases at this price. While most may not buy the pen, those that do and have a use for it will be the most loyal market for this device. As for the keyboard cover, since it also server as a case and stand I think most will buy it. A device like this is never going to be constantly held like smaller tablets and a stand becomes almost a must I think.
 
$500 to $600 for a 10.2" Android tablet plus $149 for the keyboard and no pen support. Not really sure where the market is for this but I guess everyone has to do a convertible these days.
 
At first i thought this would be useless but im kind of starting to like it
 
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