Is anyone excited about the 40GB Kingston SSD

PC_User said:
Yeah. Another problem is that there's only about 16GB left after W7 install, which hardly seems enough for apps/games.
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If windows 7, all by itself, is taking up ~24gb, then you've got something terribly wrong. I have *hundreds* of machines, of various types, on 7 and it rarely passes 10gb by itself, 25gb with all the standard apps (ms office, wordperfect office, lotus notes, acrobat, etc...).
 
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If windows 7, all by itself, is taking up ~24gb, then you've got something terribly wrong. I have *hundreds* of machines, of various types, on 7 and it rarely passes 10gb by itself, 25gb with all the standard apps (ms office, wordperfect office, lotus notes, acrobat, etc...).
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I was estimating. On my system, W7 currently takes up just under 12GB of space. Even so, with only 37GB of usable space on the Kingston SSD, that leaves just 25GB for apps/games. Personally, I would find that a bit short.
 
maybe i am missing something, but would there be something wrong with just getting 2 and have one be boot and the other games? seems like a good trade off to me.....
 
Nope I am most likely going to get two of them. You can run them in raid 0 too if you want and you will see increased performance.
 
I bit on one tonight from the newegg deal. If I like the Kingston next year I will get a bigger SSD drive and use the Kingston for games. I have wanted to try a SSD drive for a long time. The newegg was to good to resist not to much to lose since it used the Intel controller.
 
I got one too. i am going to use it as a OS drive on my HTPC/gaming/folding rig. If i have trouble keeping space freed up I can either Raid it with another one or demote it to the laptop and get something bigger.
 
SOLD OUT - LOL I went to think this over while I had a smoke, and BAM it's gone! Ahh well ... those who got in, hope it kicks a**
 
I was deciding whether to get one or not and decided to wait. 40GB isn't enough space for me personally, and the write speeds are quite low. I'm going to wait until the holidays/next year and prices should fall.
 
So I went ahead and got one last not for my laptop. 40GB is not a ton of space, so here is what I am planning to do to maximize what I have:

-Disable hibernation
-Reduce pagefile to 1GB or so (I have 4GB memory)
-I'd like to keep system restore but I believe I can reduce the space it is allowed to take, right?

Any other suggestions? I will be running Windows 7 Professional, if it matters.
 
not nearly enough space for me, only thing I would buy it for is may be a netbook.
 
The simple thing is , buy the cheap one now for windows and programs and in the future buy a gaming one as prices come down.

I have a 60 gig vertex i got for $180 and I'm hoping to get a 128 gig colossus at $300 when they are avalible and make the vertex just a game drive in the future. Most likely for TOR
 
I just ordered one yesterday. Here's my plan:

Use it strictly as boot drive. As long as I'm no more than 89% capacity, I'm good to go. Currently, I'm using 20 gb of XP and critical apps, so no problems on the new drive. Then, as prices go down, I will start buying SSD drives for my storage.I do HD rendering so I still need my huge classic HDs,but this will get me in the door for a faster O.S. experience.
 
montana said:
I just ordered one yesterday. Here's my plan:

Use it strictly as boot drive. As long as I'm no more than 89% capacity, I'm good to go. Currently, I'm using 20 gb of XP and critical apps, so no problems on the new drive. Then, as prices go down, I will start buying SSD drives for my storage.I do HD rendering so I still need my huge classic HDs,but this will get me in the door for a faster O.S. experience.
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If for nothing else, you should upgrade to Windows 7 for TRIM!!
 
I'm interested in an SSD but I have one worry, how long do they retain data for?
I've seen specs of 10 years at 25C, 5 years with no temp specified and most dont state how long.

Thing is they arent operated at 25C, especially during Summer. I havent found any data on how much faster the data deteriorates at higher temps.
Also are they average or minimum times?

We may only get a year or 2 of guaranteed data retention before the OS and data has to be copied over again.
It would be good to know how variable data retention is as well.
 
I ordered one for 80 euros now waiting for delivery. Should be better than my Warp v2.

I think that if you can buy them at 86-90$ price range they could be awesome for raid - 3 of them will almost max out read performance of Intel ICH9/10R and offer nice 120 GB SSD for <300 $ and with write of 120 MB/s.

edit: as for size - when i used v-lite to remove unnecessary fat from Vista bussiness i had the whole OS with drives office and few basic programs <20 gigs.
 
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I have one and its super fast you should be very happy with it :)

I have 25 gigs free on mine after windows updates and quite a few programs. (this is with windows 7 and I disabled the page files)
 
With pagefile moved to a separate drive, hibernation off, and sample "all users" media files removed, my Windows 7 x64 install is exactly 7GB, giving me 30.1 available for whatever else. Keep in mind that if you fill up, say, 99% of your drive and the left over is left to swapping from a page file, log files, internet cache, or whatever, those last blocks will be written to very often and kill off the NAND memory at that location. I plan on keeping my drive as empty as possible, offloading much to a shortstroked partition on a secondary 2.5" platter drive and data/media on a second partition on the platter drive. This works for me, being a carpc though.

Sqeuential reads are down from the Intel 80/160 but random 512k and 4k are close. Sequential writes and 512k writes are down from the Intel 80/160 but the 4k writes are close. These lead me to believe the controller is very much limiting on the Intel drives, so much that 4k and 512k reads/writes between the two are not noticeable in the real world. I'm perfectly happy with the 40GB and will be getting rid of my Intel 80GB G2 locally.

Michaelius, you mentioned in your other thread that this has no cache - this ssd has 32MB.
 
I hope mine gets here today. I ordered from Compsource, first time. I plan to fil lthe drive to 75% capacity. Should work fine as my current work rig Partition C O.S. is loaded with everything I want and is using 20 gigs.
 
SGSeeker said:
With pagefile moved to a separate drive, hibernation off, and sample "all users" media files removed, my Windows 7 x64 install is exactly 7GB, giving me 30.1 available for whatever else. Keep in mind that if you fill up, say, 99% of your drive and the left over is left to swapping from a page file, log files, internet cache, or whatever, those last blocks will be written to very often and kill off the NAND memory at that location. I plan on keeping my drive as empty as possible, offloading much to a shortstroked partition on a secondary 2.5" platter drive and data/media on a second partition on the platter drive. This works for me, being a carpc though.

Sqeuential reads are down from the Intel 80/160 but random 512k and 4k are close. Sequential writes and 512k writes are down from the Intel 80/160 but the 4k writes are close. These lead me to believe the controller is very much limiting on the Intel drives, so much that 4k and 512k reads/writes between the two are not noticeable in the real world. I'm perfectly happy with the 40GB and will be getting rid of my Intel 80GB G2 locally.

Michaelius, you mentioned in your other thread that this has no cache - this ssd has 32MB.
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The controller only seems to be the limiting factor on the reads, as the 5 channel read on the 40Gb is only a little slower than the 10 channel reads on an 80/160Gb. However, the writes are almost exactly 50% slower when going from 10 to 5 channels so the chips must be the limiting factor.

The price looks good, but the writes "suck". I'd rather pay approx. twice as much for the 80Gb. (which I did already)
 
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I'm very excited by it. I've seen some reviews/benchmarks and it has surprisingly good performance.

I have a 80bg hdd currently as my OS drive, and for 6 months my Win 7 install has been ~30gb, so I think 40gb would be fine.

I'd probably buy the 64gb on just to be safe though
 
mejobloggs said:
I'd probably buy the 64gb on just to be safe though
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I wouldn't do that. It has a JMicron controller whereas the 40GB has an Intel one. The latter is essentially a slower (and lower capacity) Intel X25-M G2.
 
Yeah this is strictly an O.S. and essential apps drive. All media (including my docs, images, etc) go on a data drive. I'm looking forward to trying this thing out if it ever gets here.
 
montana said:
Yeah this is strictly an O.S. and essential apps drive. All media (including my docs, images, etc) go on a data drive. I'm looking forward to trying this thing out if it ever gets here.
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You can fit a good amount of apps on there I was surprised at how much room I have to work with.
 
I agree, my Win7 install is only 16GB with Office, Unigine DX11 demo and all my apps installed.
Plenty of room unless you want to put your games on the flash drive.
 
C-rizzle said:
The controller only seems to be the limiting factor on the reads, as the 5 channel read on the 40Gb is only a little slower than the 10 channel reads on an 80/160Gb. However, the writes are almost exactly 50% slower when going from 10 to 5 channels so the chips must be the limiting factor.

The price looks good, but the writes "suck". I'd rather pay approx. twice as much for the 80Gb. (which I did already)
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4k writes are about the same for both also (older firmware). Seq read, seq write, larger random write are quicker on the 80/160's but the rest are similar between the 40, 80, and 160. 4K reads/writes are identical with larger random writes being somewhere in the vicinity of 30% faster on the 80/160. I still look forward to the new firmware as it should improve performance a bit with the Kingston drives also.

If I used the pc for a lot, I'd get an SSD for my desktop machine but I don't see an improvement with 8GB of RAM and not playing any type of games. CarPC benefits from quicker boot times though. Perhaps we'll see $1/GB a year from now with drives that can do 100MB/sec at 4k random. I'd still prefer to see more focus put on improving the lifetime of the cells more than anything else (1,000 writes before potential issues for the 32nm G2 is a bit low) but I'm not sure how much that is manufacturing yields and process compared to current technology limitations.
 
SGSeeker said:
With pagefile moved to a separate drive, hibernation off, and sample "all users" media files removed, my Windows 7 x64 install is exactly 7GB, giving me 30.1 available for whatever else. Keep in mind that if you fill up, say, 99% of your drive and the left over is left to swapping from a page file, log files, internet cache, or whatever, those last blocks will be written to very often and kill off the NAND memory at that location. I plan on keeping my drive as empty as possible, offloading much to a shortstroked partition on a secondary 2.5" platter drive and data/media on a second partition on the platter drive. This works for me, being a carpc though.

Sqeuential reads are down from the Intel 80/160 but random 512k and 4k are close. Sequential writes and 512k writes are down from the Intel 80/160 but the 4k writes are close. These lead me to believe the controller is very much limiting on the Intel drives, so much that 4k and 512k reads/writes between the two are not noticeable in the real world. I'm perfectly happy with the 40GB and will be getting rid of my Intel 80GB G2 locally.

Michaelius, you mentioned in your other thread that this has no cache - this ssd has 32MB.
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Do you have some link to information about cache ? I belive you are right but i wanted to show it to few people.

Still this drive is insane bargain even more so:
price range of generation 1 jmicron 32GB drive with more space, best SSD controller, great warranty, and free acronic software as well as accessories for mounting it in 3,5" bay.


edit: as for taking full 80 gig Intel drive to have full seq writes - wouldn't it be better to just buy 2 Kingstons and put them in Raid 0 - same space, same seq writes, but they would demolish single SSD in reads.

PC_User said:
I wouldn't do that. It has a JMicron controller whereas the 40GB has an Intel one. The latter is essentially a slower (and lower capacity) Intel X25-M G2.
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Actually there are two types of Kingston 64 GB drives - one is modified Jmicron drive (slower write/read but i've found some opinions that they managed to almost completly remove stuttering) and there's 64GB kingston drive with Samsung controller.
 
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seems I get 2 of these and run them in raid0.
the price/performance/size is to good to pass upp.
 
Michaelius said:
Do you have some link to information about cache ? I belive you are right but i wanted to show it to few people.

Still this drive is insane bargain even more so:
price range of generation 1 jmicron 32GB drive with more space, best SSD controller, great warranty, and free acronic software as well as accessories for mounting it in 3,5" bay.


edit: as for taking full 80 gig Intel drive to have full seq writes - wouldn't it be better to just buy 2 Kingstons and put them in Raid 0 - same space, same seq writes, but they would demolish single SSD in reads.


Actually there are two types of Kingston 64 GB drives - one is modified Jmicron drive (slower write/read but i've found some opinions that they managed to almost completly remove stuttering) and there's 64GB kingston drive with Samsung controller.
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There's also the kingston bagged x-25e in 64gb. I have a few and they are speedy.

http://www.kingston.com/ssd/e-series.asp
 
Michaelius said:
Actually there are two types of Kingston 64 GB drives - one is modified Jmicron drive (slower write/read but i've found some opinions that they managed to almost completly remove stuttering) and there's 64GB kingston drive with Samsung controller.
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How do you tell them apart?
 
By price :)

And more seriously jmicron ones are S125 series (just like intel based one) with transfer speeds 90/70
Samsung ones are S225 series with transfer 220/140
 
SG seeker - I am coming nowhere close to the 7gb you are in my clean windows 7 64 bit install on the Kingston. I did disable hibernation, which freed up 3 gigs (I have four gig ram) and system restore(which didn't free up anything). How much did you save by moving the page file? I'd also like to delete the "all users" examples. Thx for any tips. I am at 11gb now.
 
2x40gb Kingston sssd raid0
software raid.
pleased with them.

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Flopper said:
2x40gb Kingston sssd raid0
software raid.
pleased with them.

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Interesting #'s.

Theoretically 2 x 40Gb's ( 2 x 5 channels) gives you almost the same thing as a 1 x 80Gb (10 channels). Obviously you have 2 controllers and 2 SATA channels so your reads are a lot higher, but the writes and 4k randoms are very similar to an 80Gb.
 
Seeker - I think I figured it out. The page file is pretty much the same as your ram so that puts me at around where you got to with 7GB. I kept my page file on the OS drive, but reduced it to 2GB.
 
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