InWin S-Frame vs. Jonsbo MOD1, who steal the design from the other?

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  1. Happy Hopping

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  2. Dan

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    2 completely different designs?
     
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  3. Happy Hopping

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    you notice how the sheet metal is bend, they are pretty much bent in the same way, likewise, the stand, the location of the PSU, etc.
     
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    nice find (y), I think the one on the right stole the design from the one on the left and did that zigzag thing and changed the front layout.

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    If you look at some of the other designs on Jonsbo's site, there are some eerie similarities to other InWin Cases. That said, the technical difficulty of the S-Frame's design far and away exceeds the Jonsbo; there is barely a single straight panel on the S-Frame, which can really mess with your OCD when trying to build in it.

    Take a look at the language in the description here. If that isn't a Chinese company posing as an American company, I don't know what is.

    Nice find though.
     
  6. Ralphort

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    Jonsbo outsourced their case manufacturing process using mainly Lian Li. Just like Jonsbo & Ncase, In Win I guess is doing this too. This is not about stealing designs, it's about cutting production costs doing it externally. Lian Li makes low & high end versions on (2) different case brands.
     
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  7. Happy Hopping

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    But who is Jonsbo? How long has this co. been around? And it is a chinese co. because

    http://www.jonsbo.com/en/products.html

    the above is their main website.

    if it has the quality of Lian Li, I am happy
     
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    I noticed some other designs were the same before, and thought that they were different marketing branches of the same parent company.
     
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    Where do these buyers live that they don't have to worry about dust?

    the open air cases look great but seriously, I vacuum and dust my office once a week minimum but there is no way I could have an unfiltered system.
     
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  10. Happy Hopping

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    but the Jonsbo MOD1 case has a top. So it's only semi open case. You can put filter in all intake fans. And the bottom already c/w filters. Because even w/ a closed case, there is still dust inside
     
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    I think this is a bit of a stretch - It doesn't look like either is a knock off of the other.

    As far as similarities, at some point, every case is going to have a motherboard installed in it... right? I will say that I recently purchased a Jonsbo case. I was very happy dealing with the fluent in English sales rep via email. To your point, there are some pretty rough translations on their US website. My guess is they had Google translate their product descriptions...

    FWIW, I think most of the products in my computer are made in China. Eh.

    I started seeing some of their cases several months back, browsing foreign (mostly Asia) pc enthusiast websites. The fit and finish looked very good in photographs. A few weeks after I finally decided to make the purchase, I still have no regrets.
     
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    I'm not suggesting necessarily that Jonsbo stole from InWin, just that InWin cases aren't your standard fare, and that the Jonsbo cases seemed to pull inspiration from their design (nothing akin to the Caselabs/Thermaltake debacle).

    As far as the website is concerned, I mostly take exception to it being called JonsboUSA, since it seems like they only distribute, not manufacture in the US. It's a minor thing, just one that makes me wary.
     
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    Those aren't even the same layout. I think you're stretching here. The Jonsbo is standard ATX, while the Inwin is rotated ATX. They both use aluminum... that's about the only similarity.
     
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    to be fair, both cases did bend the same way at the front, w/ the PSU at the same spot at the front. In the inside, the horizontal metal w/ 3 holes are both the same, and so is the 3.5" metal tray. Of course, the tempered glass on both side.

    Overall, I like the Jonsbo case more
     
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    Don't know but the black mod1 looks cool.
     
  16. CaptNumbNutz

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    You are completely blind if you think those two are exactly alike. At best, you can say the Jonsbo was inspired by the S-Frame. A couple bends in sheet metal does not make them anywhere close. Not only that the S-Frame has several more bends and a more complex shape.

    1. The In-Win S Frame came out in 2014. Here's a review from July 2014. The Jonsbo Mod 1 was released in 2016. Here's a press release stating the release in August 2016.


    2. The In-Win S Frame utilizes a rotated motherboard layout like many Silverstone cases. The ports are on the top of the case. The PSU is also rotated and it's exhaust is straight up. PSU sits top left of motherboard. The drives are on the right of the motherboard.
    This Jonsbo Case utilizes a more traditional ATX layout with the PSU on the bottom, drives in the front. Ports coming out the back.

    The PSU is clearly in a completely different location. You also clearly don't spend any time looking at pics or doing basic google research before you post these crazy conspiracy theory threads. I found this info in less than 5 minutes just using google.

    Here's a build in the In-Win S Frame:

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    Here's a build in the Jonsbo Mod 1:

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. WorldExclusive

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    IN WIN could be the manufacture of the case. It's very difficult to pull of the bent alumium design.
    I owned the S-Frame is release (recently sold it), one of the most impressive case engineering feats I've seen.
     
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    Truth... I showed the S-Frame we picked up to our metal shop and they more or less said "No f***ing way", followed by "What the f***?", followed by "Well, maybe if... what the f***?" That case is an impressive feat.

    The Jonsbo does feel something like the Toyota to InWin's Lexus. It could possibly be manufactured by the same team.
     
  19. CaptNumbNutz

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    I'm hesitant to say so. I've seen enough pics of the Jonsbo to be able to tell that it's design is much...MUCH simpler than the In-Win S-Frame.

    The primary structure of the Jonsbo is the motherboard plate and the drive bays. It is constructed with 1 single piece of metal. However, that single piece of metal has at least 3 out of 4 straight sides. The one side that isn't straight is the front panel. They take that one piece of metal, punch out or drill all the necessary holes then put it into a press brake and do 5 perfectly straight bends. They then attach the backplate (PCI slots), the top and bottom, and the various other bits to it. It's basically 4 pieces of metal bolted together, with the main piece bent a few times near the front. It's a very simple, but neat design.

    The In-Win S-Frame on the other hand... It's 1 piece of metal bent no less than 15 times. 15. If you look very carefully you will also notice that if you were to unfold the metal flat again that there is not a single straight line or 90 degree angle anywhere. Even the bends themselves are not perfectly perpendicular corners. The only 90 degree angles occur where they punched out holes in the drive bay area.

    Here's the piece of metal flattened:

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  20. Happy Hopping

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    You are the one didn't spend enough time looking at the pic. The Jonsbo Case PSU is also at the top, right above the 3.5" drive bay,, whether it's on the left or the right, it doesn't matter, as it's in reference to the Motherboard.
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  21. CaptNumbNutz

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    It's still not in the same place as the In-Win as you said. In fact, it's the complete opposite side as the In-Win. However, I will give you props for completely ignoring everything else I posted showing how they are completely different designs and layouts. Let's also completely ignore the fact that the sheet metal is most certainly NOT bent the same way.
     
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  22. Happy Hopping

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    I agree they are not bend the same way. But do you not find there are a lot of similarity? Do you find that unusual? This is not an ordinary rectangular case. The S Frame is an unique design. And of course they are not nearly exactly the same, if so, there would be a law suit by now.