Intel's 9th Generation Core Family - Ice Lake

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  1. Nightfire

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    Possibly the most important CPU launching in the next couple of years, Ice Lake deserves its own thread for rumors and news.

    Ice Lake will be the first new architecture since Skylake.
    It will be using the 10+ nm process.
    Ice lake will most likely be up to 8 cores.

    Intel does have an 8-core CFL coming out, but will not offer anything new besides more cores and perhaps better I/O.
    Cannonlake is just a die shrink, and only mobile.

    Rumors are late 2018 for the 9th Gen Core, but I would speculate 2nd Quarter 2019.

    https://videocardz.com/74170/aida64-gets-early-support-for-mobile-intel-i9-series
     
  2. IdiotInCharge

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    It's a big question as to how much IPC Intel can squeak out, and under what conditions- and this with AMD's first major Ryzen revision coming out about the same time.
     
  3. Shintai

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    Do they? It's just a rumour isn't it.

    ICL taped out around June. It's a H2 2018 release.

    ICL is 8 cores, Gen11 IGP, DDR4, LPDDR4, AVX512.
     
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  4. Nightfire

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    I hope 8 core / Z-390 is only a rumor. It makes about as much sense as a Titan Z. Or as unexpected as an 18 core Skylake X.

    I have not seen anything on ICL being an H2 release. If it is, it would be an even greater paper launch than CFL - just to get attention away from Pinnacle Ridge.
     
  5. Shintai

    Shintai [H]ardness Supreme

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    8C Z390 isn't a rumour. Its just not CFL. ICL(Read -K) comes with Z390.

    External partners already got ICL-S chips back in september.
     
  6. Skyblue

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    And when do we get them?
     
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    Alright so,

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    First is being added in the next update of HWInfo, second has already been added in sept, preliminary support is usually added a year or so before release, so i'm betting H2 2018 release.
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    List of 9th gen SKUs leaked from the AIDA64 update.

    Fanless Tech tweeted these recently:




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    H2 2018 lines up with process readiness date. 6-9month gap between 10nm and 10nm+
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    In the most recent Earnings Call (October) BK(CEO of Intel) said

    Low volume 10nm product ships EOY '17

    Ramp throughout H1'18

    High-volume availability in H2'18

    Other news about the 10nm

    Products on 10nm/+
    • XMM 7660,

    • XMM 8060,

    • Cannonlake,
    • Ice Lake Server,

    • Ice Lake client

    • Falcon Mesa,
    • Possibly a 10nm Atom lineup
    Sources:
    https://newsroom.intel.com/newsroom...mark-bohr-on-intels-technology-leadership.pdf

    https://newsroom.intel.com/newsroom...017/09/mark-bohr-on-continuing-moores-law.pdf

    Source on Intel's next modems being 10nm

    Source on Falcon Mesa
     
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  9. Nightfire

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  10. tangoseal

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    The most important? And why the hell is that? Its just another slab of silicon.

    Is it supposed to be revolutionary? Nothing Intel has done in 20 years is revolutionary if you ask me.
     
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    Well I don't expect them to come out with anything out of this world, but it should be the biggest thing since Haswell or possibly Sandy Bridge.
     
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    Saying H2 2018 is Intel's way of daggling a carrot away from PR. A handful may be able to it at launch, just to "fullfill a promise", but the majority will have to wait much longer or pay a mark up.

    Intel showed their hand with CFL.

    "Overwhelming Demand" my ass.
    Underwhelming supply was the problem.
     
  13. tangoseal

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    We just need software to make better use of cores as is. Our existing chip infrastructures are so under utilized.

    I am not a programmer so I don't mean to talk out of my ass but it just seems that CPU's spend most of their time at idle or low usage when apps appear to be running as fast as they can.
     
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    You started the thread with your wrong predetermined assumptions and you continue.

    What is Ryzen then? Disasterous demand?

    People sitting with SB builds and holding on finally upgrades to CFL.
     
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  15. Shintai

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    I prefer your thread, its much more informational and this thread serves an entirely different "purpose" :)
     
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    Uhm man Intel is confusing now that graph has no Ice in sight lol ughhh.. Making me confused on what to get next year and how long will i waitfor it.. Intel should have just released Iced Coffee sssssssssh
     
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    Cascade lake X? :)
     
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    14nm++ refresh of Skylake X. Works in x299 and could support Optane Dimms , not sure if it brings anything else.
     
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    So slighty higher clocks.... I doubt optane dimms will be cheap.
     
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    Don't care about the semantics of it all. I would love to upgrade my 6700K ITX main rig to 8 cores without going the x299 route.
     
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    Yes, definitely informational. Just 7 pages of the wrong information.

    Forget PR, Intel can't even dangle the carrot away from Ryzen 2 at this point with the massive ICL delays.
     
  23. IdiotInCharge

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    You missed the news report where CFL is still selling extremely well versus Ryzen 2?

    Your narratives are childish.
     
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    Considering Ryzen 2 hasn't been released yet, I am not surprised.
     
  25. juanrga

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    Wait a moment, are you confounding Ryzen 2 with Ryzen 3? Because Ryzen 2000 series was launched some time ago...
     
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    It should be pretty clear that I am in the camp of calling PR as Ryzen+ and not Ryzen 2 as by previous statement would now read

    "Forget Ryzen 2, Intel can't even dangle the carrot away from Ryzen 2 at this point with the massive ICL delays."

    This now makes no sense.
     
  27. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    There is no Ryzen+ only Ryzen 1000 series or 2000 series. Maybe you are confounding Ryzen+ with Zen+. In that case let me say that Zen+ and 12LP are marketing rebrands. AMD and Glofo PR had to mislead customers and the press about a "new core" and about an "optical shrink" to dangle the carrot away from Intel CFL. That the new Zen+ cores are identical to the Zen cores in EPYC, ThreadRipper, and Raven Rdige was proved very early. That 12LP is just a tweaked 14LPP was confirmed a week ago



    Despite all the PR, CFL is selling better than Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series combined.
     
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    Of course this turned into a "Intel is great because they sell more than AMD" argument whenever we call you guys out on your BS.

    The fact of the matter is you tried everything to distract from ICL and other 10nm delays by releasing CNL mobile information (that nobody gives a damn about here), super secret ICL microcode reveals, and even late 2018 Xeon ICL-X leaks which was probably the most laughable.

    But hey, CFL is outselling AMD so f*** 'em
     
  29. IdiotInCharge

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    We vs. you.

    Why take it so personally?
     
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    And since I have a 8700k and a 2700x on the same desk - I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO I AM.
     
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    Ah yes, my bad, I read that wrong. Thanks.
     
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    I am so angry with intel for made my ROG Z270 Code useless with 8th gen.