Intel's 9th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (Refresh)

Discussion in 'Intel Processors' started by Polo6RGTI, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. IdentityCrisis

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    Certainly doesn't seem like its that big of a jump from the 8 series CPUs. or am I missing something? Doesn't seem worth waiting for over an i7 8700k other than maybe for the soldered heatsink?
     
  2. OFaceSIG

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    I ran AMD for years until Sandy Bridge. Still have it in various projects. But then totally shitting the bed on 10nm has totally turned me off to Intel. I will be going to Ryzen 3 when it comes out. Over it.
     
  3. oleNBR

    oleNBR Limp Gawd

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    9900k ht and extra cache 16mb of L3 will be great, can't wait.
     
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  4. IdentityCrisis

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    Likely to be pricier though right? seems like the logical choice for an upgrade but will cost a fair amount.
     
  5. Skott

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    Yeah I'm curious how the 9900k benchmarks will turn out. Upgrade my 4790k or wait longer? I dont have to upgrade but I'm getting that itch. Know what I mean?
     
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  6. Endurance-vm

    Endurance-vm n00bie

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    Kind of sitting in the same boat. Next year I will definitely upgrade, but to why? Still not sure.

    If the 9th gen doesn’t provide a large enough boost in performance over 8th, then may get 8th gen off the used market.
     
  7. cybereality

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    Love the review. Mostly cause I just bought an 8700K two weeks ago. Looks like I'm in the clear.
     
  8. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    Where’s ma 9900K at.
     
  9. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    An engineering sample is not a retail sample, not even close.
     
  10. pavel

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    What do you mean?
     
  11. pavel

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    Does it make sense to buy the i7-8700K used (I can find it used, decent price, not great - but, okay) and upgrade to the 9900K after a while?

    I don't know what's going on with AMD and Ryzen - some theories that AM4 socket will be compatible with 7nm parts to come but nothing definite. The only chip one can upgrade to (so far) with that, is the 2800X, whenever that is released - but, then it's not much of an upgrade to go from 2700X to 2800X so I probably wouldnt't do that anyway.
     
  12. drescherjm

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    AMD said that even Zen3 would use the same socket. Ryzen 2XXX models are not Zen2 (so there are 2 more generations). However after that I suspect there will be changes for DDR5 and PCIe 4.0.
     
  13. oleNBR

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    imo I personally would not upgrade mobo for DDR5 nor PCIe 4.0. most ryzen owners only get 1 GPU anyway, unless they are storage freak PCIe 4.0 is unnecessary. and DDR5.. they MAY get some benefit over DDR4 with ryzen's IF design but that may get fixed by zen 3, so it kinda pointless.
     
  14. cybereality

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    I mean to say that I was worried the 9-series would be a big difference and make we want to upgrade again (or feel bad about the recent purchase). Since performance gains seem small, I don't have to worry.
     
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    It's always so fun having people in new tech threads, cheerleading that it sucks so they can feel better about money already spent. What a waste.
     
  16. VanGoghComplex

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    Where is CR saying the new processors suck?
     
  17. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    Exactly. Never understood that. They need to defend their purchases somehow.
    I’ll get 2 9900Ks and they’ll be obsolete before they arrive.
    It’s how it goes. Grow up n get over it.
     
  18. VanGoghComplex

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    It's always so fun having fanboys in new tech threads, slinging mud at non-believers and then patting each other on the back about it.

    Seriously. Dude said he was relieved that there didn't seem to be much of a performance jump over the last gen. He didn't do any "cheerleading" about the new tech "sucking."
     
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    Right.... 2 more cores, plus HT, plus solder, 5.0+ all cores...
     
  20. VanGoghComplex

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    Yeah, you're comparing an i9 part to an i7. The solder and 5.0 are niceties that are already available on (via delidding and overclocking) as far back as the 7th gen.

    i7 to i7, the 9700K is not a very compelling upgrade from the 8700K.
     
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  21. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    At an extra $100 premium. At what point do you move to the HEDT platform?
     
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    PCIE lanes.. only reason I'd move I think.
     
  23. cybereality

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    Don't get me wrong, the processor looks good. Never said "it sucked." Just saying I was happy I didn't have to take my machine apart again and upgrade, cause I just did that and I definitely *would* if there were big gains.
     
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  24. oleNBR

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    actually this time around i'd have been happy had they gone non-solder route after knowing delid + LM + custom copper IHS is like 4-5C better than solder + intel IHS.
     
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    I think the $100+ premium is too much but I don't judge anyone who plans to buy one or not buy one. I'm looking at a used 8700K - but, didn't go with their asking price...wondering if I should.

    I suspect there won't be any deals on the i9 processors although I'm not sure if shoppers in the USA benefit from places like Microcenter (?) or others who have occasional sales?

    I won't be able to buy one, though. :-( The 8th gen chip, though, used, I am looking for one.
     
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  26. RPGWiZaRD

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    seems like they want ppl to upgrade from i5 to i7 and i7 to i9, seems like done on purpose :p I mean if you just have to upgrade CPU from a z370 board I'm sure quite a lot of current i5-8600K users (me incl) are considering 9700K and I suppose same goes for 8700K to 9900K.

    For me it's more about wanting to replace my poor OC sample than small perf benefit tho, 4.75GHz @ 1.31v.

    At first I was thinking it must be due poor RAM compatibility with 3200 CL14 but then again losening up timings or clock do nada. I didn't delid mine tho so with soldered IHS it also gives me a benefit on 9700K. In my case temps didn't seem to be the issue just poor voltage/clock scaling on one of the cores as it was always core #3 crashing a lot easier.
     
  27. StormClaw

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    Am i correct that the 9th generation processors will have the "spectre" / "meltdown" vulnerabilities fixed?

    And will they require an updated mobo ? (different socket from 8'th generation) ?
     
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  28. pavel

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    I don't know about the vulnerabilities being 'pre-fixed' but the new i9 processors will be compatible with Z370 mobos. I assume, you might need to update the BIOS. The Z390 have a few 'perks' over the Z370 mobos.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-chipset-z390-eight-core-processor,37046.html
    https://techstunt.com/heres-how-intel-z390-is-better-than-the-z370-chipset/
     
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  29. kamxam

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    I'll probably go with the 9900K if it is about $500 or in that area and if the benchmarks are okay. Only upgrade every 3-4 years so overdue since my last upgrade was about 2013. I currently have a 4930K which is working fine, but with the exception of the hard drives and a few peripherals which will go into my new system, it's going to be sold at a very reduced cost to my brother. (Who if he hadn't brought the system I built around 2010, still would be using something from the 90's..lol)
     
  30. juanrga

    juanrga Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI

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    Only Cascade Lake and Whiskey Lake are confirmed to have hardware mitigations for Spectre/Meltdown and L1TF
     
  31. polonyc2

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    a little over a week to go...I'm looking forward to this release...I might actually upgrade my CPU for the first time in 8 years!
     
  32. SixFootDuo

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    I would be surprised if the 9900K was $500 .... not when the AMD 2700x is winning, has massive sales and is very popular.

    Yeah, that would be a terrible terrible move.

    $500 8 core intel or $325 AMD 8 core ........ you can see where this is headed.
     
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    it has to be around $500...otherwise the 9700K will have to be $300 and that seems too low by Intel standards
     
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    But they removed the hyperthreading from the 9700K, so they are situated to differentiate lower than usual.
     
  35. polonyc2

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    even without hyperthreading it's still not meant to be a low end CPU...
     
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    Who said anything about low end? We're not replacing the Pentiums and Celrons here.

    "lower than usual"
     
  37. Nightfire

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    The i9-9900k is situated to be higher than normal, even higher than several HEDT tiers. The 8/8 9700k is not lower than usual.
     
  38. kamxam

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    In my case anything below $500 would be good. :) Basically around what i have budgeted for the CPU, but will go higher if i find a very good one though...