Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
juanrga said:
That is what certain biased press pretended was happening, but it is not true.
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and how do you know, you call other press biased yet you provide no fact contrary and we already know your opinion is very biased. I heard about that but didn't find it particularly interesting to follow up on.
 
Shintai said:
So we can thank Intel for the accelerated timeline of Ryzen and TR too? :D

CFL is just a matter of when 14nm++ was ready.
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That's not true and you know it. They pushed it out the door to compete with Ryzen. CFL was slated for a 1Q18 release according to the previous roadmaps which coincides with their annual updates. No reason they would kick KBL/Z270 to the curb within 8 months unless they felt market pressure.
 
kirbyrj said:
That's not true and you know it. They pushed it out the door to compete with Ryzen. CFL was slated for a 1Q18 release according to the previous roadmaps which coincides with their annual updates. No reason they would kick KBL/Z270 to the curb within 8 months unless they felt market pressure.
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When did Intel put CFL forward? Remember 14nm++ is required, so the process team had to move forward something like half a year according to you just for Ryzen. So it certainly wasn't this year.
 
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One thing I saw from that last link is the 8700K is $20 more than the 7700K. With that said I expect to see the 1800X to be priced between $325 and $350 when the 8700K becomes a product (Q4?). No way AMD can offer less performance for more price even though the 1800X has ECC while the 8700K does not.

The last link also mentioned Q4 as release of the 8700K.
 
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drescherjm said:
One thing I saw from that last link is the 8700K is $20 more than the 7700K. With that said I expect to see the 1800X to be priced between $325 and $350 when the 8700K becomes a product (Q4?). No way AMD can offer less performance for more price even though the 1800X has ECC while the 8700K does not.

The last link also mentioned Q4 as release of the 8700K.
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The 1800X needs to be a lot less than that. It will get price cuts until it settles around 250ish. Its going to be the FX sales pitch all over. A lot slower in 1-6 cores but cheaper cores up to 8.

370$ would be about time with inflation and the dollar drop.
 
50% multithreaded was to be expected. I mean, (6-4)/4 = 50%... So..

With 6 cores it prolly wont overclock much more than the 7700k. The 4 core version might though.
 
-Sweeper_ said:
Core i7-8700K vs Core i7-7700K

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-intel_core_i7_7700k-664

9% faster ST and 52% faster MT @ CB 11.5 ;)

Compared to Ryzen 7 1700X about the same MT performance in synthetics but much better ST, and that's before OC...

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-amd_ryzen_7_1700x-706
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Q4 2017? So november- December? Well, since my z97 board is dead and I'm using crap laptop till upgrade, won't wait that much. If nothing changed on Monday about aviability, I'm getting 1700.
 
December... might just open up my 6850k then! Don't want to wait 4 months + however long it takes an mATX board to be released.
 
rive22 said:
So is this thing not coming out Monday then? Or is it?
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drescherjm said:
If the Q4 is true I wonder what is coming out on monday. 4C/8T and lower??
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Propably announcement or paper launch with reviews coming in October and launch in November:(

Tho it makes no point as far as chipset is concerned. November launch of 370 to have it replaced by 390 in February 2018 is madness. Shortest living chipset ever.

Intel is in full panic mode :)
 
I'm saving the results just in case they remove it. 52-60% better MT performance in synthetics and they still managed to boost ST by close to 10% compared to the venerable Core i7-7700K. Probably the combination of 4.4% higher 1-core Turbo + 12 MB L3 + uncore boost. This thing will fly off the shelves.

Cinebench 11.5 ST
- Core i7-7700K: 2.36
- Core i7-8700K: 2.57 (+8.9%)

Cinebench 11.5 MT
- Core i7-7700K: 10.4
- Core i7-8700K 16.72 (+60.8%)

Cinebench R15 ST
- Core i7-7700K: 200
- Core i7-8700K: 218 (+9%)

Cinebench R15 MT
- Core i7-7700K: 995
- Core i7-8700K: 1523 (+53%)

Passmark CPU Mark
- Core i7-7700K: 13.098
- Core i7-8700K: 20.020 (+52.9%)

Geekbench 3 64-bit Single-Core
- Core i7-7700K: 5130
- Core i7-8700K: 5605 (+9.25%)

Geekbench 3 64-bit Multi-Core
- Core i7-7700K: 18.702
- Core i7-8700K: 28.581 (+52.8%)

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-intel_core_i7_7700k-664
 
-Sweeper_ said:
I'm saving the results just in case they remove it. 52-60% better MT performance in synthetics and they still managed to boost ST by close to 10% compared to the venerable Core i7-7700K. Probably the combination of 4.4% higher 1-core Turbo + 12 MB L3 + uncore boost. This thing will fly off the shelves.

Cinebench 11.5 ST
- Core i7-7700K: 2.36
- Core i7-8700K: 2.57 (+8.9%)

Cinebench 11.5 MT
- Core i7-7700K: 10.4
- Core i7-8700K 16.72 (+60.8%)

Cinebench R15 ST
- Core i7-7700K: 200
- Core i7-8700K: 218 (+9%)

Cinebench R15 MT
- Core i7-7700K: 995
- Core i7-8700K: 1523 (+53%)

Passmark CPU Mark
- Core i7-7700K: 13.098
- Core i7-8700K: 20.020 (+52.9%)

Geekbench 3 64-bit Single-Core
- Core i7-7700K: 5130
- Core i7-8700K: 5605 (+9.25%)

Geekbench 3 64-bit Multi-Core
- Core i7-7700K: 18.702
- Core i7-8700K: 28.581 (+52.8%)

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-intel_core_i7_7700k-664
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So ST is a tad slower than Intel listed, but MT is a lot higher. :)
 
I may be getting senile but isn't it pretty unusual by Intel to try any kind of marketing hype. They've been pretty vocal about that August 21st launch. I'm sure AMD's current position is a big part of it but still, wonder how much that is confidence in their product and how much of it is just because they feel they need to respond to AMD because of HEDT launch fail and AMD gaining grounds.

I just traditionally remember various ES leaks pre-launch typically doing the market for them like it was almost encouraged by Intel at times, not so much from Intel themselves. This time around the NDA seal again has been exceptionally tight, there's just something fishy going on here...
 
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kirbyrj said:
Unless you want to count the accelerated timeline of both X299 and CFL.
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Changing the argument? He didn't say anything about timelines, he said that we have 6C thanks to RyZen, and that is not true, because 6C appeared in the roadmaps two or three years ago.

kirbyrj said:
That's not true and you know it. They pushed it out the door to compete with Ryzen. CFL was slated for a 1Q18 release according to the previous roadmaps which coincides with their annual updates. No reason they would kick KBL/Z270 to the curb within 8 months unless they felt market pressure.
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What market pressure? AMD RyZen has had nearly zero impact on general marketshare, despite all the hype, lies, biased reviews, and silly attempts to cheat the Passmark database. Today the database reflects reality of the low impact of RyZen in real world

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Even lower if we focus exclusively on gamers

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/
 
Intel isn't stupid, they could have planned for Ryzen years in advance.
They've been on 4C consumer chips since like 2007 or 2008, 1st gen i5/i7. It's just a total coincidence they upgrade to 6C within a few months of AMD becoming competitive again?

The only other answer would be that CPU technology, in general, has allowed Intel and AMD to roll out high-core/IPC mainstream chips at the same time.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It's just a total coincidence they upgrade to 6C within a few months of AMD becoming competitive again?
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It was on roadmaps since 2014/2015.

Its also a matter of when the market is ready and when you can provide more cores without regression.

But again, there is no desktop CPU. On LGA115x its all mobile first and for a good reason.
 
Regarding the 4.4Ghz all core. Since they're claiming 51% improvement over 7700k in multicore at the same all core boost, wouldn't that indicate better than perfect scaling?
 
mgulbran said:
Pardon my ignorance but could you please explain that? I was under the assumption there would be 8700K and appropriate motherboards for desktops as part of this announcement.
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The CPU you use on mainstream desktops are designed for laptops. And in the other end with HEDT, its CPUs designed for servers you get to use in desktops. The last CPU designed for desktops was Pentium 4.

Likewise Ryzen isn't a desktop CPU, its a server CPU.
 
-Sweeper_ said:
Core i7-8700K vs Core i7-7700K

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-intel_core_i7_7700k-664

9% faster ST and 52% faster MT @ CB 11.5

Compared to Ryzen 7 1700X about the same MT performance in synthetics but much better ST, and that's before OC...

http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_8700k-763-vs-amd_ryzen_7_1700x-706

Edit: Thanks to user multippp @ AT for the link
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Although the site doesn't cite any hard sources or anything, I did find it interesting the CPU went up $20 CAD according to the 7700 vs 8700.
Presumably that would be $20 US or nearly $40 AUD for me. So a $500 processor sadly.

Dunno what made them put down $370 - I guess we'll see if there's any merit next week. I know retailers will gouge em for the first month by $20 to $50 too :/
 
rive22 said:
So is this thing not coming out Monday then? Or is it?
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Seems unlikely it would be until October, because they've already started discounting the 7700k across multiple sites online for a few weeks already, even here in Australia.

That being said, someone told me that the wholesalers are complaining to Intel because they still have a heap of 7700k stock on shelves to move.
 
Shintai said:
Ryzen is in for big, big price cuts.
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If they fix that idiot linux bug *which AMD fans tried to sweep under the rug* and drop the 1600 to $169 US, I swear I might be tempted to cave that way.
Maybe, also need some decent, modern motherboards. (USBC, Wifi AC, Bluetooth 5, 5GBit Lan - I'd pay a premium)
 
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