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That was not what you buddy Shintai was saying and to be honest when it's just a rebadged chipset they are screwing over their own customers.
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Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)
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That was not what you buddy Shintai was saying and to be honest when it's just a rebadged chipset they are screwing over their own customers.
well, all in all, 6700/7700k are still best options for gaming and you certainly don't need an upgrade right now for gaming only. We'll see what amd and intel will have by the time of volta/navi release. It could be an overall platform upgrade for me by then - both cpu and gpu. I certainly don't plan to rush with switching to something while we don't have enough info on future roadmaps and products. But CFL looks bad as it might be even more short-lived due to socket change for whatever comes out just in 2019.
This article should also cheer the current owners up
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3009-amd-r7-1700-vs-i7-7700k-144hz-gaming
This article should also cheer the current owners up
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3009-amd-r7-1700-vs-i7-7700k-144hz-gaming
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From what I gathered, Z370 will have 24 PCIe lanes iso 16 for what it's worth.
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Saw the gamer nexus video on YouTube this evening.
Since my primary purpose for my build is gaming [1440p, 144Hz], it looks like the 7700k will likely remain the defacto chip. I'm just trying to hold off to see if coffee lake drives prices down. MC has the 7700k and Asus Strix 270G combo for $470...
I'm rather curious on the implications of the Q3'17 KabyLake-R PCH vs CannonLake PCH in Q1'18. Will people wait...or not.
Regarding MC pricing, would be rather nice if the i5 6-cores start at $199; cuz that means once again I'd be still putting off the upgrade to an HT-enabled chip.
Regarding MC pricing, would be rather nice if the i5 6-cores start at $199; cuz that means once again I'd be still putting off the upgrade to an HT-enabled chip.
Not necessarily.
Worth noting 24 PCI lanes was also available for Kaby Lake 270, only mentioning because it is highlighted in the image above.
That said I think people are jumping the gun assuming it is mostly a rebadge, some of the change may come down to Optane, along with what Shintai has been mentioning.
Here is Z270:
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What is the problem with you people? Let's look this from an different, objective angle, maybe Intel's or any other company perspective...vast majority of people don't understand common sence..let's say 1000 people is our representative real world sample..now, this numbers aren't exact, but I think that they are veeery near truth. If you want, we can make this estimation even more precise. So, 350 out of 1000 are using computer for light, office work, looking e-mail, browsing web, listening music, watching movies or just jerking off on youporn..and that pc's are private or at work and I think that 80% of them just bought a pre-built machines or was given to them and they don't even know what is inside of them. Let's just call them tier 1a. Now, we are left with 650 people of which 300 are using computers for the same reasons mentioned above plus they do casual gaming. And again, tier 1b. I don't want to talk much about them, instead, I'll focus on 350 people that are remaining..so, 30 of them are highly educated engineers or scientists who work for some companies or are researching on high-end machines, I don't know and many other with similar jobs. We can add 20 more computers that are doing some extra works we cannot even imagine..servers, programing, industry, etc..we can put them in tier 2. After that, only 75 of the remaining 300 are HEDT consumers with high video and audio editing, 3D moddeling, content creators and similar person who really need X platform, threadripper and that kind of shit. Some of them are gamers too..so, naming them tier 3a..only 225 computers to go..4 of them are never used or are completely dead. Now, 221 in tier 3b are hardcore gamers and nothing else..ofc, they may also go on tube galore, read New York Times, take risks with torrents, use free time in MS paint or occasionaly write job aplications for some public service job in Microsoft office or in any other preferable app. According to steam, 101 of them have 2 core, and 98 of them have 4 core processors. 22 people have 3,5,6,8 etc cores. You are talking about upgrades? How many of 221 human beings have Skylake, Kaby lake, Ryzen 3,5,7 or AMD Bulldozer processors? I estimate 15-21 maybe. For them this new series of chipset(s) or CPUs is wasted money but I bet that 5-6 of them will buy new CPUs because they can and because that product will be new and they don't give a damn as they are looking to upgrade every single year. They are addicted. To them, 3-5% better performance is all they need to make that decision. Now, let's look to 199 people who really need upgrade, because their computers and parts are 3, 4, 5 to 10 years old. 99 of them will buy pre-built system. And 65% of 99 won't give a fuck is there AMD or Intel product inside, because they want max performance for their money or are just buying pc on a sale. 11% of 99 are AMD fanboys and 20% are Intel fanboys. 4% never heard about those names and don't know exactly what processor does. At the and, we have 100 people who are going to build pc from scratch and who are cannibalizing forums, invastigating and exploring every part, product, every rumor, and they have their own opinion of everything and everyone...and we have similar 65-20-11-4 ratio among them. Is a new product good enough to be purchased? For how many out of 1000 mentioned? I personally own a Lenovo laptop with i3 2330M processor..it was given to me in 2011..last 6 months I'm exploring forums, reviews, sites because I want to build my own computer. Buy parts and assemble it. I never build one, newer bought one..I've had like 5 pc's and 3 laptops in life. To me coffee lake, threadripper, hack, even a i5 2600 or AMD bulldozer is a space shuttle (ofc, won't buy them)..I am not important, but I'm like 850 others out of 1000 to which Z370 or Z390, or Ryzen 5 is a happening of an decade, so to some of you - stop being such a spoilt babies because you bought skylake or kaby lake few months ago and you are expecting from Intel (or any other company) to do miracles for you and to indulge you or make your wishes come true. You are minority of 50 out of 1000 and this is a mainstream platform. 500-950 of us are their main market, and we are upgrading from 2000's or maybe even don't possess a pc or are just stepping into the world of computers. "Omg, we don't have more then 16 pci-e lanes TIMES 3, more then 5 GHz overclock on all 164 cores, deliding...bios refresh button, RGB on every transistor..only a 14nm++?!" What are you talking about? That is another world to us..stop being such a wussies..we are here to learn something and to find out where we want to spend out money, in effective, well-worn way. World is not spinning only around you, around me..use your logic and your common sence.
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btw can someone explain this
i honestly think the video is over biased on ryzen's cpu. skylake-x at 4.7ghz on par or below ryzen at 4.0ghz? people gotta be real dumb to believe that. eurogamer released review article as well at 4.4ghz and difference is much smaller. hardwareunboxed could have some issues like throttling? or issue lies else where. -Sweeper_
Hardware Unboxed's review is undermined by using x299 Taichi with a 7800x. That motherboard had issues with 7800x at the time that review was made, and they even burnt the processor a few days later.
Asrock recently released a beta BIOS to fix those compatibility issue, further indicating the review is too flawed to draw any conclusions. But it's a great ammo for trolls though.
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lawls....I got banned for that statement abrasion. I said the PR person is probably just stating a canned response and doesnt know what they are saying...aka uninformed drone but thats bannable i guess lawls. Man i get trolled by admins all the time i guess
Besides the evident difficulties with the x299 board and the 7800X (they didn't even test a retail chip but a pre-launch sample!!), the whole of the hardware unboxed review is invalid to draw performance conclusions, because they did run many tests on "GPU-bound and frame-limited settings". That is the reason why overclocking both the SKL-X chip and the KBL chip by huge amounts (higher than 30% for the 7800X) did nothing (2%, 3% FPS increase for the 30 game average) whereas overclocking the R5 chip improved performance almost linearly and closed the gap with Intel chips.
The funniest part is that those guys are well aware of the effects that GPU and frame limits have on final results
The funniest part is that those guys are well aware of the effects that GPU and frame limits have on final results
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Damn, another chipset and mainboard needed for another processor Intel is releasing, really no surprise there.
A few people claiming that the 390 chipset is mobile only, won't be put on a regular end user motherboard....?
Who knows. Sure makes me want to wait though.
lame. onboard wifi on the PCH would be nice for laptop. free up extra x1 or x2 pcie 3.0 lanes use for something else from the PCH.
I think "free" wifi and BT5 is better than not having it, who knows what else it has. It's disappointing that this rumor seems kind of acutally likely now.
We won't know, maybe even until January though, or even Feb, if that z390 (?) is going to be made for desktop anyhow.
u know what i find sad is that, theres a small chance we can use same cpu 8700k in z390, however z390 is for first gen 10nm which means its gonna clock like $h!t.. remember broadwell? average 4.2 to 4.4ghz max with a ton of voltage. then 490 will have better 10nm with the same socket with exception we have to buy new system because, well, its intel.
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This mean 270 owners aren't getting boned?
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It doesn't mean anything. It's just interesting.
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Some1 pls put an end to this backwards compatibility speculation lol.
Some1 pls put an end to this backwards compatibility speculation lol.
Should I feel bad that I kinda don't care (I'm not impacted tho)
Feel sorry for people who are, if so, it's lame.
Also some posters here are ridiculous, can't admit it's lame. Really sad, lol. Be a fan of good products at a good price, but if a company is being an ass, call them out, even if it's "your team" or your opinion becomes biased and lame.
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"It's lame" isn't really a discussion topic though since it's not constructive. I think we can all agree it's lame.
If you just want to resort to whining and name-calling then /r/AMD is a great place for that these days. If you want to express your feelings as memes, then try /r/pcmasterrace.
This is a discussion thread. If you want to talk about why Intel did it, or how you think it'll impact the market, then feel free.
I used to like browsing that sub. Then Ryzen released, was still moderately ok, but every day people felt the need to justify buying Ryzen - a good product. Then the Vega hype came and went and now its just damage control over Vega and a segfault while compiling something on Linux on Ryzen. Like damn that sub never rests.
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That looks much more realistic than 4/8 rumors.Final Intel Core™ i3-8350K and Core™ i3-8100 Specifications
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The whole mess started with a tweet from a CS rep at one company. Notice how no one else is saying anything about it. But that's the internet machine for you.
Could it be a campaign from intel? Start the rumor about no support, than bam - it supports when release comes and Intel turns out to be good as opposed to all the criticism. I won't be surprised if that was the case.
So the official announcement is on 21st. I'm still hoping ar least z270 will be supported. This way I will only need to get one mobo for desktop instead of having to change both my z170 and z270 to be able to use new cpus in both machines eventually. Let's see.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-to-launch-8th-gen-core-processors-august-21st.html
Intel To Launch 8th Gen Core Processors August 21st
Intel To Launch 8th Gen Core Processors August 21st
I guess the end time will begin??