Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

Immolation1991

Weaksauce
Joined
Feb 23, 2016
Messages
127
Extremely likely since the segment top SKU price is 350$.

Okay, then the Ryzen has to go, I think. Although it was just half the price.

Where the hell did you see 7700k+ z270 for 300??!

it was in Europe, there were all kinds of cashbacks and coupons involved, but yeah, it was a rare opportunity. Good CPU deals are kinda rare here, especially Intel ones. I missed it by few minutes anyway, because I hesitated too long.
 

akiba

n00b
Joined
May 28, 2017
Messages
29
Extremely likely since the segment top SKU price is 350$.

I recently noticed that Intel changed the socket for Coffee Lake-S to LGA 1151 v2 and would only be compatible with the Z370.
I wonder if this is true.
 

akiba

n00b
Joined
May 28, 2017
Messages
29
a6118c7bd8ecd37035eee5e996127a08.jpg

source - http://drmola.com/
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
Wait, what makes you think there will be no 4C variant of coffee lake for desktop use?
Ok ok no, that's a totally fair point
However why would 14nm ++ be THAT MUCH BETTER than 14nm+ ?

Skylake 4C/8T -> Kaby Lake 4C/8T ended up being like 1 or 2% more (excluding x265)
It was a joke, if 1000% not worth it over skylake unless you're mega rich, have stupid friends / family / coworkers who'll buy your old stuff for more than it's worth, or your Skylake had just blown up.
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
i was saying 14nm+ was marketing gimmick but than intel pushed an extra 400mhz max out of highest binned CPUs (4.8GHz-5.2GHz) which surprised me! Most Kabys hit 5GHz which is much better than the average for SKL (4.5/4.6?) so I wouldnt call 14nm+ a gimmick so if history repeats we might luck out again and find some more mhz improvements.

400-500 more mhz is no marketing gimmick.

I don't agree it was like that.
Kaby is a REAL STRAIN for 5.0 but possible for regular overclockers
Skylake is a REAL STRAIN for 4.8 but possible for regular overclockers

200mhz, not 400mhz - there's only so much 14nm can do, with all the +++++ in the world.
Who says they'll get even more?

Also, Kaby has insane, random RUN WILD HOT issues.
I'm not convinced Coffee++ (at least the 6 core) will exceed 4.5ghz.
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
How likely is a 6C/12T i7 for less than 400$? Damn, I cant wait anymore, there were so many cpu deals in the past days where i live. I already bought a Ryzen 1600x because is was 30% off. Yesterday I saw 7700k + Z270 mobo for under 300 bucks after all kinds of rebates and cashback.

God I hate my country - I'd so take that deal
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
Ok ok no, that's a totally fair point
However why would 14nm ++ be THAT MUCH BETTER than 14nm+ ?

Skylake 4C/8T -> Kaby Lake 4C/8T ended up being like 1 or 2% more (excluding x265)
It was a joke, if 1000% not worth it over skylake unless you're mega rich, have stupid friends / family / coworkers who'll buy your old stuff for more than it's worth, or your Skylake had just blown up.

6700K 4.0/4.2, 7700K 4.3/4.5. That's 5 and 7.5%.

The benefits are even bigger in lower SKUs.

14nm++ is as big as an improvement over 14nm+ than it was over 14nm. However dont expect higher stock clocks for the top SKU, but rather more high clocked cores without compromise.
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
6700K 4.0/4.2, 7700K 4.3/4.5. That's 5 and 7.5%.

The benefits are even bigger in lower SKUs.

14nm++ is as big as an improvement over 14nm+ than it was over 14nm. However dont expect higher stock clocks for the top SKU, but rather more high clocked cores without compromise.
Stock clocks are meaningless, max overclock it's the true test
 

TaintedSquirrel

[H]F Junkie
Joined
Aug 5, 2013
Messages
10,675
Well I guess that officially confirms the release schedule and the 6C Coffee Lake parts.

That roadmap only shows 12C Skylake-X though? Supposedly 18C.
 

-Sweeper_

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 2, 2016
Messages
184
Well I guess that officially confirms the release schedule and the 6C Coffee Lake parts.

That roadmap only shows 12C Skylake-X though? Supposedly 18C.

Apparently this was a top secret for Intel. They wanted to make the surprise at Computex. And it worked (or almost). :)
 

-Sweeper_

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 2, 2016
Messages
184
So entry 6C Skylake-X costs only 7% more than 7700K in an early listing. We can put to rest the FUD about CFL-S being priced at $500.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
So entry 6C Skylake-X costs only 7% more than 7700K in an early listing. We can put to rest the FUD about CFL-S being priced at $500.

Ye, the FUD about that is dead. Huge devaluation on Ryzen chips coming.
 

TaintedSquirrel

[H]F Junkie
Joined
Aug 5, 2013
Messages
10,675
So entry 6C Skylake-X costs only 7% more than 7700K in an early listing. We can put to rest the FUD about CFL-S being priced at $500.
What rumor was that and why would it make sense?
Intel's full line-up is comically large now. They're actually introducing TWO MORE quad core chips, along with more cores at the top-end, combined with the rest of CoffeeLake S, and SKL-X.

I honestly don't know how they can price all of this together.

Ye, the FUD about that is dead. Huge devaluation on Ryzen chips coming.
How so, Ryzen is getting cheaper by the day. At the current rate Intel's equivalent cores will be double, or more, the price of Ryzen.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
How so, Ryzen is getting cheaper by the day. At the current rate Intel's equivalent cores will be double, or more, the price of Ryzen.

How do you think a 500$ 1800X is going to do against a 350$ 4Ghz+ CFL-S K model? Or the sub 400$ SKL-X 6 cores?

Its going to be FX pricing all over.

i3 4/4, i5 4/8, i7 6/12 on the LGA1151 side.
 

TaintedSquirrel

[H]F Junkie
Joined
Aug 5, 2013
Messages
10,675
Weird comparison though since Ryzen has its own hex core around $200 these days, and Intel will have their own 8-core at $500+ presumably.
The 1800X will still probably beat all of the new 6C Intel chips in multi-threaded tasks.

Ryzen will remain the best value just like it already is.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
Weird comparison though since Ryzen has its own hex core around $200 these days, and Intel will have their own 8-core at $500+ presumably.
The 1800X will still probably beat all of the new 6C Intel chips in multi-threaded tasks.

Ryzen will remain the best value just like it already is.

After extensive price cuts perhaps.
 

-Sweeper_

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 2, 2016
Messages
184
Weird comparison though since Ryzen has its own hex core around $200 these days, and Intel will have their own 8-core at $500+ presumably.
The 1800X will still probably beat all of the new 6C Intel chips in multi-threaded tasks.

Questionable, esp. if Skylake-X improves performance per core and Coffee Lake-S hits 4.5 GHz+ under OC. And CPU limited gaming performance will be much better on the Intel side.
 

TaintedSquirrel

[H]F Junkie
Joined
Aug 5, 2013
Messages
10,675
Intel is already winning the gaming segment for sure. The reason I don't already have a Ryzen PC...
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
How so, Ryzen is getting cheaper by the day. At the current rate Intel's equivalent cores will be double, or more, the price of Ryzen.

Ryzen is inferior to coffee lake (IPC lower, max overclock lower, doesn't come with a GPU)
Ryzen is inferior to -X chips (IPC lower, max overclock lower, no quad channel memory)

Intel is still a bit too darn pricey but AMDs chips are infact, NOT drop dead OMG wow bargains, they are pretty competitive but they're not compelling enough to pull die hard intel people over, not without a combination of : less memory issues /better performance / lower price.

I'm a big ITX fan, I'd only consider a Ryzen 6/12 1600 if it was under $180 US (yes, seriously) because I have to buy a video card (non gamer)
Furthermore the ITX boards SUCK, less USB 3.1, no thunderbolt (to my knowledge) - very little variety in the ITX space.

Ryzen, not ready for all of us.
 

RPGWiZaRD

[H]ard|Gawd
Joined
Jan 24, 2009
Messages
1,203
Well that's good news, I was expecting a bit higher pricing than this. Guess we have to thank AMD for this, I'd even say from Intels point of view, this would be "price aggressive" if they will offer 6C for same pricing as 4C. :p If it weren't for AMD stepping up the game I think they wouldn't bother making room in Kaby Lake pricing, they'd just price it compared to Kaby Lake.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
Well that's good news, I was expecting a bit higher pricing than this. Guess we have to thank AMD for this, I'd even say from Intels point of view, this would be "price aggressive" if they will offer 6C for same pricing as 4C. :p If it weren't for AMD stepping up the game I think they wouldn't bother making room in Kaby Lake pricing, they'd just price it compared to Kaby Lake.

Its priced against Xeons ;)
12C high clocked Xeon is 1265$ for example.
 

RPGWiZaRD

[H]ard|Gawd
Joined
Jan 24, 2009
Messages
1,203
Its priced against Xeons ;)
12C high clocked Xeon is 1265$ for example.

Yea well I was talking about CFL-S only which is likely going to be slightly cheaper than the SKL-X 6 core $389, $359 would sound about right for the top SKU CFL-S.
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
Yea well I was talking about CFL-S only which is likely going to be slightly cheaper than the SKL-X 6 core $389, $359 would sound about right for the top SKU CFL-S.
Assuming the CPU isn't "gimped" somehow too hopefully.
I can't recall if they still remove virtualization from the K series? Maybe they stop doing -K for overclockers in mainstream? Who knows
I'm hoping though, of course, it's a Kaby Lake CPU with just 2 extra cores and still at least 4.5ghz OC - for $359 US it's a no brainer if your CPU is over 3 years old.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
Assuming the CPU isn't "gimped" somehow too hopefully.
I can't recall if they still remove virtualization from the K series? Maybe they stop doing -K for overclockers in mainstream? Who knows
I'm hoping though, of course, it's a Kaby Lake CPU with just 2 extra cores and still at least 4.5ghz OC - for $359 US it's a no brainer if your CPU is over 3 years old.

Virtualization on the K series have been full since the Haswell Refresh and isn't gimped like Zen is for example.

K models for mainstream isn't going away anytime soon. If anything mainstream(DIY part) as such may go away if gamers adapt HEDT with its increased SKUs.
 

Caedo

n00b
Joined
May 22, 2013
Messages
49
I'm slightly confused by the point of the -X SKU 6c/12t (and lesser) processors given Coffee Lake's existence.
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
I'm slightly confused by the point of the -X SKU 6c/12t (and lesser) processors given Coffee Lake's existence.

I can assure you, without any hesitation, you're not the only one - at all.
We're all kinda baffled.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
I'm slightly confused by the point of the -X SKU 6c/12t (and lesser) processors given Coffee Lake's existence.

It seems KBL-X is for stock clock and entry into the platform. Murthy seems to want HEDT to be the preferred gaming platform in the long future.

6C/12T SKL-X vs CFL-S is quite easy, 28 PCIe lanes and quad channel plus higher IPC due to the cache structure.
 

AbRASiON

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
353
It seems KBL-X is for stock clock and entry into the platform. Murthy seems to want HEDT to be the preferred gaming platform in the long future.

6C/12T SKL-X vs CFL-S is quite easy, 28 PCIe lanes and quad channel plus higher IPC due to the cache structure.

How many lanes would coffee -s be? 24?
 

TaintedSquirrel

[H]F Junkie
Joined
Aug 5, 2013
Messages
10,675
Coffee Lake will have its own IPC improvements and probably clock higher since it's on a newer process. The 6C variant may end up beating the 7800X at the end of the day.

If I can get a decent X299 board for $200-$250 then I'll probably just build a 7800X rig this summer. No point waiting 3+ months.
 

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
Coffee Lake will have its own IPC improvements and probably clock higher since it's on a newer process. The 6C variant may end up beating the 7800X at the end of the day.

If I can get a decent X299 board for $200-$250 then I'll probably just build a 7800X rig this summer. No point waiting 3+ months.

There is no IPC improvement as such in Coffee Lake. Its just 6 SKL cores on 14nm++. Icelake is the next step there. However with that said, 12MB L3 vs 8MB may do some difference.
 

drescherjm

[H]F Junkie
Joined
Nov 19, 2008
Messages
14,927
Same as usual. 16 CPU lanes and 24 chipset lanes.

This is something that can't be increased without a new socket. And they probably won't increase it on the next socket anyways. I assume by then PCIe 4.0 will arrive.
 
Last edited:

Shintai

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
5,678
I have posted it before, but seems it could use a reporting. 300 series as said gets WiFi integrated. Next step is Thunderbolt/USB-C(Icelake?) onto the CPU. Assume mainstream platform only.

7p6p9iwx.png
 
Top