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"From circles of mainboard manufacturers now come more details, which is behind the "improved power supply". Actually, the information should not get public due to Intel's guidelines, a Youtuber has nevertheless released it (embedded below from 2:40) - thanks to the PCGHX member Wolfgang75 for the reference .
Intel had allocated some pins, which had previously supplied the integrated graphics unit with power, to the CPU cores. In addition, there have been unused pins, which are already used by the motherboard manufacturers for voltage supply. On the Z270 boards, Intel had assigned this a fixed function. The result: Coffee-Lake S-CPUs could literally burn on high-end Z270 models, because they got too high tensions over these pins.
To the question why Intel has not introduced a new socket to avoid confusion: the changes should have been made relatively short term, so that no time remained. The Core i7-8700K would probably have survived without the changes to the pin layout, but Intel is already preparing for Coffee-Lake-S-Eights, which are rumored to appear next year ."
Source: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Coffee-Lake-Codename-266775/News/Z270-Inkompatibilitaet-Grund-1240154/&edit-text=&act=url
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AM4 works on 4, 6, and 8 core CPUs. X299 for 4 all the way to 18.So 18 more pins used on CFL for power delivery.
What's the new excuse now?![]()
AM4 works on 4, 6, and 8 core CPUs. X299 for 4 all the way to 18.
Yet somehow Intel can't fit 4 and 6 on the same socket layout? Can't even imagine the hoop-jumping required to justify that.
Necessary adjustments are due mainly to the eight-core CPUs.
AM4 works on 4, 6, and 8 core CPUs. X299 for 4 all the way to 18.
Yet somehow Intel can't fit 4 and 6 on the same socket layout? Can't even imagine the hoop-jumping required to justify that.
No they will find a new reason to obsolete z370.
So Ice-Lake will use the same socket?
Yeah, it's not like AMD's AM3+ motherboards could support 4,6, or 8 core cpu's back a few years ago.....Former platform was designed for up to 4-core. A new platform is designed for more cores. What is so difficult to understand?
Pretending that KBL platform would support 6-cores because AM4 supports up to 8-core, is so silly like pretending that AM4 would supports up-to 16-core Zen, because X299 supports up to 18-core...
So it's poor planning? Incompetence? Laziness? Intel has done it before, so they're clearly capable.Former platform was designed for up to 4-core. A new platform is designed for more cores. What is so difficult to understand?
Pretending that KBL platform would support 6-cores because AM4 supports up to 8-core, is so silly like pretending that AM4 would supports up-to 16-core Zen, because X299 supports up to 18-core...
This is why I like AMD. They squeeze what they can out of a platform. Like Dan had said that sometimes that brings problems, but I think it helps with the CPU upgrades that a lot of people want.So it's poor planning? Incompetence? Laziness? Intel has done it before, so they're clearly capable.
Justify it however you want, but none of the reasons are good for Intel. They deserve to be criticized.
So it's poor planning? Incompetence? Laziness? Intel has done it before, so they're clearly capable.
Justify it however you want, but none of the reasons are good for Intel. They deserve to be criticized.
They're teasing us with the non-functional "Learn More" buttons.
MSI's boards look (aesthetically) a lot better than ASUS this time around.
https://www.msi.com/Landing/intel-coffee-lake-z370-gaming-motherboard
MSI revealed the rest of their z370 lineup. I have to admit, the Gaming M5 looks like it may be up with the Maximus Hero for me.
ahh geee! you had to post that! I have to fight the urgh now in building yet another system . . . grrrrrrrrr
One other consideration some will make is with AMD you know you will be able to upgrade your CPU without having to change out your whole system. AM4 will be around awhile, while a new chipset is coming the current one will be supported as well (unless AMD pulls an Intel Z270 to Z370 BS move). Intel sting with ever changing sockets and even same socket but not able to use it will hurt them.Prices are already official by Intel. 359 for a 8700K. A 1800X needs to be much lower than that.
More slower cores that loses big time when scaling isn't close to linear can in no way expect a price premium. Its FX all over.
So it's poor planning? Incompetence? Laziness? Intel has done it before, so they're clearly capable.
Justify it however you want, but none of the reasons are good for Intel. They deserve to be criticized.
AM4 will be around awhile
I expect Zen2 will be on the same platform however Zen3 will need new motherboards to support DDR5 and / or PCIe 4.0.
It just demonstrates how fallacious are your arguments in a thread about CoffeeLake.
Yeah the RAM is impacting the purchase to be honest. It's $410 AUD for 32GB of only 2666, ugh! What the hell.
That being said I mean I'd love to get an 8700k with DDR4, 4000 or something but the problem is, we're going PCI-e 5, we're going DDR5 kinda in the next 12 to 18 months, we're finally going 8 core and 10nm in the next 12 to 18 months.
Seems to me, I can buy this stuff, save $300 now and put that towards a beast in 2.5 years.
I don't blame you though I guess, be nice to have the stuff at the top of the pack.
Why do all the reviewers say to turn off SMT for better gaming performance? -_-
it would be a poor overclocker and a complete bust. I would go 7700K over 8700K if that became true.So lets assume they didn't do it. And 8700K only hit 4.5Ghz instead of 5Ghz+. Then we would hear some waaah waaaah poor OC, terrible design and what not.
If Intel Coffee Lake matches or is close to AMD multi-threading per price range, it will also be faster on less threaded type applications making Intel the better buy if costs are similar. Also the over clocking ability maybe looked at as well. Coffee Lake so far looks to be very good and I hope Intel keeps the price reasonable. I think AMD will need to lower prices, like getting the 1700 around $250 which would compete well with the 8600K price point. 1700x $299, 1800x $349.
The 1600 needs to be $140 US or cheaper to be a bargain now.
The 8400 will likely beat it in most things and comes with a "free" video card - which is relatively competent.
If you're a non gamer (me) than being forced to buy a GPU for the 1600 isn't cool
Motherboard is cheaper for the 1600, cheap little video card is like 20 bucks. I seriously doubt AMD will change the prices from their current levels.
I just want a cheap ITX on launch day, AsRock is my best bet right? ECS aren't going to take care of me for several months yeah?
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Supposedly the Strix ITX (Strix-I on the chart) should be available on launch. Someone posted a preview of the board a bit up the thread. Granted, I have no idea what "cheap" is for you. An educated guess at the price of the Strix would be like ~$170. No idea though.
They are $259 for the identical z270 model here (AUD) which kinda sucks, because they should be $220 / $230.
The Strix z370 will no doubt, be $269 or even as high as $289 for opening month :/