Intel's 8th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (LGA 1151, 6C/12T)

Where do you expect Core i7-8700K's Turbo to land?

  • 3.8/3.9 GHz

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4.0/4.1 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • 4.2/4.3 GHz

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • 4.4/4.5 GHz

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • 4.6/4.7 GHz

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

AbRASiON

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One is releasing before the other, the sole purpose is to push product to sell, that is all intel is interested in. they have something like 27 SKU's for Kabylake, it is not like they are hard pressed for yields.

It's literally 2 months though, it's really not much time.
 

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Saw a guy post a theory tonight that maybe the i5 6c (6t only) is the top end model for z370 and 1151 pins.
The Kaby-X would be the base model x299, then coffee 6c12t HEDT (x299) and so on.
It was an interesting idea, because it seems so ridiculous for Intel to release

4/4
4/8
6/6
6/12

all on 1151 pin
PLUS


4/8
6/12

8/16
10/20
12/24
all on the x299 (2000 pin?


That's a heck of a lot of crossover. I hope his theory is wrong.
Why even do Kaby-X or HEDT 6 core, when Coffee 6/12 (if it exists) would be exceptional value?

CFL-X isn't coming anytime soon. And SKL-X starts at 6 cores. So that alone kills that idea.
 

AbRASiON

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CFL-X isn't coming anytime soon. And SKL-X starts at 6 cores. So that alone kills that idea.


Elaborate your post for me.
CFL-K(S) Desktop = 6 core and 12 thread (in theory..... if rumors true)
SKL-X = 6 core and 12 thread, only thing is some xtra PCI-e lanes, quad channel.
KBL-X = 4 core and 8 thread, only thing is some xtra PCI-e lanes, quad channel.

?
 

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Elaborate your post for me.
CFL-K(S) Desktop = 6 core and 12 thread (in theory..... if rumors true)
SKL-X = 6 core and 12 thread, only thing is some xtra PCI-e lanes, quad channel.
KBL-X = 4 core and 8 thread, only thing is some xtra PCI-e lanes, quad channel.

?

CFL-H for laptops got 6C and 12T too.

KBL-X doesn't have anything extra. Its a KBL-S copy. Dualchannel, 16 lanes and 112W.

There will also be an i5 KBL-X named 7640K with 4C/4T.

Kaby-Lake-X.png
 

AlexisRO

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Interesting, it seems that Intel wants to move the enthusiast/ high end market to the 2066 socket, if the above table is correct. I mean you can start of with a 4 core if money is tight and only upgrade the CPU as you see fit in the future.
 

AbRASiON

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CFL-H for laptops got 6C and 12T too.

KBL-X doesn't have anything extra. Its a KBL-S copy. Dualchannel, 16 lanes and 112W.

There will also be an i5 KBL-X named 7640K with 4C/4T.

Kaby-Lake-X.png


I have no idea why Intel are shoveling out those products. What next, a Celeron X ?

I'm interested in six core, normal desktop, with video and an ipc better than the mediocre offering from AMD
 

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i dont care about debate just give me a 6c 5ghz and turbo boost 3.0 thank you, for under $500
 

AbRASiON

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i dont care about debate just give me a 6c 5ghz and turbo boost 3.0 thank you, for under $500
Very unlikely at 5ghz.

4.5 if you're lucky and that's an overclock. I expect stock speeds will actually drop to 3.8 on the i7 with 4.1 turbo or something.
 

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I have no idea why Intel are shoveling out those products. What next, a Celeron X ?

i5 on a relatively expensive platform sounds pretty weird (fail) to me too. 112W TDP for a mid-tier quad core too? That's worse than AMD TDP lol
 

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Pinnacle Ridge will then release and from that clock speeds are bumped along with IMC tweaks, by that point Summit ridge is replaced. I expect AMD will adapt prices a bit especially at the 1800X and 1700X, possibly the 1400/1500X to create a wider gap and distinction in price to performance.

Pinnacle Ridge is a 2018 product. It is a Richland-like update of Summit Ridge, with 200--400MHz extra and nothing more. Those "IMC tweaks" will follow the same route than rest of promises, including that magic BIOS fix or that improved silicon used in the R5 models: the route direct to the trash.
 

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Q1 2018 is "2018" believe it or not. 200-400Mhz is good given a 7700K was 200Mhz higher clocked than the 6700K it is likely more to do with process maturity and IMC tweaks happen in between most CPU releases be it Intel or AMD.
 

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Pinnacle Ridge is a 2018 product. It is a Richland-like update of Summit Ridge, with 200--400MHz extra and nothing more. Those "IMC tweaks" will follow the same route than rest of promises, including that magic BIOS fix or that improved silicon used in the R5 models: the route direct to the trash.

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oleNBR

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Very unlikely at 5ghz.

4.5 if you're lucky and that's an overclock. I expect stock speeds will actually drop to 3.8 on the i7 with 4.1 turbo or something.

sorry, i meant i want a cpu not default to that clock but capable of overclocking to 5ghz on all 6 cores with a decent temp and voltage, say under 1.35v..
 

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sorry, i meant i want a cpu not default to that clock but capable of overclocking to 5ghz on all 6 cores with a decent temp and voltage, say under 1.35v..

I dont think your going to have much look seeing the 6 core hit 5ghz. It will likely hit the same wall at 4.5, it might eek out a bit more maybe a few golden samples at 4.7ghz. this process is already very mature for Intel and unlikely much of any optimization will amount to much.
 

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6C/12T from an Intel mainstream product would make for a tempting upgrade. My Ivy Bridge 3770k just turned 5 years old last month and this is right around that window of time where I do a full system upgrade. Difference this time is my performance after 5 years isn't being held back like it was with my past builds.
 

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6C/12T from an Intel mainstream product would make for a tempting upgrade. My Ivy Bridge 3770k just turned 5 years old last month and this is right around that window of time where I do a full system upgrade. Difference this time is my performance after 5 years isn't being held back like it was with my past builds.

I'm in the same boat. After about 5 years the 3770K is still great but getting bottnecked in quite a few games at very high resolutions. My idea upgrade would be an ASUS TUF X299 board with a 6C/12T 5 GHz CPU. We'll see how that turns out though.
 

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I'm in the same boat. After about 5 years the 3770K is still great but getting bottnecked in quite a few games at very high resolutions. My idea upgrade would be an ASUS TUF X299 board with a 6C/12T 5 GHz CPU. We'll see how that turns out though.

I'm not quite in that boat, but i'm only on a single 980Ti and probably stick with that until Volta's "TI" is available. I probably wouldn't benefit much from a CPU upgrade at this point except for certain games like BF1, but even then, I can't complain about the performance. It's more of an upgrade itch right now.
 

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Its 95W. I think you can expect 4Ghz or above. Its using 14nm++ process and its 149mm2.

Kaby Lake on 14nm+ clocks at 3.6Ghz base, 4.2Ghz turbo for a 65W part. And that includes system agents, memory controller, graphics etc.

I think you are too optimistic. If we see stock speeds higher then 3.6Ghz, I will be surprised. Coffee Lake 6 cores will most certainly clock lower then Kaby Lake 4 cores, by a significant amount. I very much do not believe we will see 4Ghz 6 cores on mainstream platform yet. We're a year out from that at least still.
 

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Please don't be $1000...
Yea, with Ryzen 1600 offering 6 core/12 thread at $220 right now, it's hard to contemplate paying much more than $500 ever. I'd like to see what 6 or 8 core offerings are out in 1-2 years and then look at price/performance
 

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Yea, with Ryzen 1600 offering 6 core/12 thread at $220 right now, it's hard to contemplate paying much more than $500 ever. I'd like to see what 6 or 8 core offerings are out in 1-2 years and then look at price/performance

Problem is Intel thinks they have a superior product and will price it that way. And while Intel has a faster processor then AMD it's not by a whole lot, but they will assume you will pay extra for their name. Unless the majority of the crowd chooses to let it rot at a high price then Intel wont change their pricing. Only other thing that could cause change is if AMD puts out a faster processor then Intel. I expect it around 600 to 700 bucks at launch otherwise they would have to value price their big seller the 7700K and that wont happen.
 

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Problem is Intel thinks they have a superior product and will price it that way. And while Intel has a faster processor then AMD it's not by a whole lot, but they will assume you will pay extra for their name. Unless the majority of the crowd chooses to let it rot at a high price then Intel wont change their pricing. Only other thing that could cause change is if AMD puts out a faster processor then Intel. I expect it around 600 to 700 bucks at launch otherwise they would have to value price their big seller the 7700K and that wont happen.

But they do have. Just as Nvidia got it over AMD.
 

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I think you are too optimistic. If we see stock speeds higher then 3.6Ghz, I will be surprised. Coffee Lake 6 cores will most certainly clock lower then Kaby Lake 4 cores, by a significant amount. I very much do not believe we will see 4Ghz 6 cores on mainstream platform yet. We're a year out from that at least still.

Broadwell-E offers 6 cores @ 3.6GHz on the original 14nm and Skylake-X will increase clocks. What sense has to offer a 6 core Coffee Lake on newest 14++ node with clocks equal to or lower than 3.6GHz?

Kabylake 7700 on 14+ node offers 4 cores @ 3.6GHz on a 65W package. 6 cores at same clocks could fit into a 95W package and 14++ optimizations could increase clocks to 3.8GHz or more.
 

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I'm personally positive mainstream Coffee Lake top SKU will be 3.8GHz and turbo clock probably 4.1 or 4.2GHz depending on how well the clocks scales regarding to power consumption. But we should know more soon enough. :) If 4.2GHz turbo would be the final setting then I'm optimistic 4.5~4.6GHz OC or so should have a reasonable chance of happening.
 

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Broadwell-E offers 6 cores @ 3.6GHz on the original 14nm and Skylake-X will increase clocks. What sense has to offer a 6 core Coffee Lake on newest 14++ node with clocks equal to or lower than 3.6GHz?

Kabylake 7700 on 14+ node offers 4 cores @ 3.6GHz on a 65W package. 6 cores at same clocks could fit into a 95W package and 14++ optimizations could increase clocks to 3.8GHz or more.
I was thinking this very thing hopefully it's priced accordingly...maybe current 7700k price for 6 core coffee lake CPU?
 

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Yea, with Ryzen 1600 offering 6 core/12 thread at $220 right now, it's hard to contemplate paying much more than $500 ever. I'd like to see what 6 or 8 core offerings are out in 1-2 years and then look at price/performance

If you buy the dual channel z370 1151 Coffee Lake 6 / 12 core (assuming it exists) I think it's really unlikely it will be more than $50 more than an existing 7700k. That's my wild guess.
So I'm figuring $499 absoloute max US price. I wish the damn thing was $399 but Ryzen just didn't offer the numbers for Intel to do that.

The Skylake-X stuff? I'm not surprised HardOCP hardcore members with serious cash money will consider it :) me...... not a damn chance. It'll be unlikely an 8 / 16 Intel would sell for less than $700, plus a more expensive board, plus quad channel ram. It's one big bad ouch.
 

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I'm personally positive mainstream Coffee Lake top SKU will be 3.8GHz and turbo clock probably 4.1 or 4.2GHz depending on how well the clocks scales regarding to power consumption. But we should know more soon enough. :) If 4.2GHz turbo would be the final setting then I'm optimistic 4.5~4.6GHz OC or so should have a reasonable chance of happening.

This basically precisely what I'm expecting in the $500 range - and I expect it at 4.5 maybe 4.6 to absoloutely thrash Ryzen at almost every benchmark they throw at it, except a small handful.
 

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Intel has been consistent with their pricing tiers, if the 7700K's replacement is a 6C chip it'll probably be around $350.
They can't release another quad @ $300+ anymore.
 

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Really amazing how some people are in denial over the fact that CFL will bring 6C/12T to Intel's mainstream product stack. Tip: It is hapenning and it will make the LGA 1151 i7 the best all around choice for productivity and games again.
 

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Intel has been consistent with their pricing tiers, if the 7700K's replacement is a 6C chip it'll probably be around $350.
They can't release another quad @ $300+ anymore.

It's intel though, they love money and have the brand name, they've been stubborn before. I hope you're right.
 

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It's intel though, they love money and have the brand name, they've been stubborn before. I hope you're right.

Nvidia also loves money, yet the 1080ti that Vega cant even remotely touch is 699$.

The price segments overrules the SKUs. For mainstream aka LGA1151 the top price you sell for is 350$ with any inflation adjustments if you like.

What had you even imagined with the SKL-X line then? 6 cores starting at what, 600$ while you can get it for 400$ today?

Remember the top one is 12 cores.
 

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$350 seems very unlikely.

It wouldn't surprise me. Their top mainstream CPU has been 350 give or take for awhile now. It would also have the side benefit of stepping on the throat of Ryzen's relevance, which I imagine Intel doesn't mind doing.
 
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