Intel Xe DG1 GPU Up To 40% Faster Than AMD Vega Integrated

erek

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Meh, title baited me in. This isnt comparing Vega 64

"The laptop segment is crucial for Intel as AMD has almost entirely disrupted the desktop segment, whether it be mainstream or HEDT. But with Tiger Lake, we can now tell why Intel is focused on making it a mobility-first family since they want to take the fight to AMD by offering a well-rounded chip design, featuring their latest core architectures on both CPU and GPU fronts. With that said, Intel is all set to unveil Xe GPU architecture details and powerful new features of their brand new graphics architecture at GDC 2020 next month so stay tuned for more info."

https://wccftech.com/intel-xe-dg1-gpu-benchmarks-leak-40-percent-faster-than-amd-7nm-vega/
 

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So, 40% faster than Ryzen 4000 APU's...

I honestly don't know what that means. No idea what performance level the internal GPU's in these latest APU's have.
 

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Of course, we will see how much of a performance hit when you switch that thing from dedicated VRAM to shared memory!

This announcement of this Dog back at CES was intended to get early samples of Tiger Lake GPU out in the press. HEY, LOOK OVER HERE, WE HAVE THIS AMAZING APU...9 months from now!
 
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40% faster than Vega at what? All of this garbage is so misleading. That number could be accurate when cherry picking some weird esoteric benchmark but have no real basis in objective reality.
40% faster? Give us the card and we'll see how much "faster" it really is. Everything else is a waste of breath.
 

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I'm not impressed. The XeDG1 is a 25W part on the discrete GPU alone being compared to an ryzen 4800u which is a 15W laptop APU part for both the CPU and graphics. This means its LESS power efficient... basically like 100% more power for 40% more performance at 3Dmark. Then this is not even the new Navi architecture but the last gen Vega... Basically we are looking at a stinker with terrible performance per watt.

Edit: I do hope that Intel can become a real 3rd competitor in the graphics market so that prices will get driven down but this first effort is not it.
 
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Yeah and lets see how many bugs and performance quirks it has, once loaded with really games.
 

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Let me preface this by saying I want Intel to be successful in graphics because we are in dire need of a true competitor to NVIDIA.

That being said - I will not be excited about these chips until we have full retail variants running retail drivers in retail games, in hand by objective third parties. Everything leading up to that is purely conjecture. I've been burned before.
 

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That's some weaksauce!
One thing the WTFTech article mentions is that both the integrated and discrete versions of DG1 contain the same number of execution units, so they're basically the same card. That sounds good...but you have to remember the iDG1 will be slower.
 

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40% faster than Vega at what?
Faster at whatever your imagination wants them to be. And that's just one of the amazing things they can do better than the competition. They're an amazing piece of imaginary hardware. Only released for developers because they're THAT good. So exclusive you can't even buy them
 

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Have you used Intel GPU drivers in the last decade? They're pretty universally terrible.
Since Nvidia seized control of notebook drivers in 2008 and AMD in 2019, Intel is now the odd one out. Intel maintains the archaic model of allowing OEMs to screw with the drivers, control the release schedule, and co-opt MSFT to force old versions of drivers via Windows Update.

Furthermore, each "update," forced or not, still has a poor tendency to forget its power settings - something important for a primary IGP in a laptop, IMO.

Either way, it's now gotten to the point where my next laptop has one primary criterion: no Intel. Given my good experience with recent Realtek network interfaces, I don't even know if I want Intel WiFi, either.
 

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Have you used Intel GPU drivers in the last decade? They're pretty universally terrible.
I actually have, for the last decade, and been surprised at what they've been able to run. They've also been focusing on them more and more as they've dialed up performance.
 

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Yeah Intel gpu drivers are few and far between especially for older cpus. Hows that going to work with new games are coming out all the time. My Skylake rig just got a new driver 1-16-2020, before that the last driver was 12-23-2015.
 

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Intel discrete GPUs are to Nvidia discrete GPUs as Nvidia CPUs are to Intel CPUs.
 

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It would be funny if Intel did release a GPU competitive to a 2080ti before AMD does. Not happening but would be funny.
 

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Lol, they compared it to a 4800u mobile chip. So, a highly TDP restricted mobile APU, vs a discrete GPU and they are calling this a win? Does this put it on par with 1030 level graphics? This has got to be a joke (please?)
 

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It would be funny if Intel did release a GPU competitive to a 2080ti before AMD does. Not happening but would be funny.
Intel's in a similar (but much more disadvantaged) position that AMD is, in that they need developer and consumer buyin for larger, more risky products to succeed.

AMD even has the technology, but the risk of a negative return on investment has likely been holding them back from pushing a top-end gaming product out.

Given how much more risk averse Intel probably is right now, while they could probably build a 2080Ti competitor, they'd also likely not cover their development costs, let alone turn a profit overall.
 

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Intel's in a similar (but much more disadvantaged) position that AMD is, in that they need developer and consumer buyin for larger, more risky products to succeed.

AMD even has the technology, but the risk of a negative return on investment has likely been holding them back from pushing a top-end gaming product out.

Given how much more risk averse Intel probably is right now, while they could probably build a 2080Ti competitor, they'd also likely not cover their development costs, let alone turn a profit overall.
I don't think they could honestly... They don't have near enough capacity to compete, and everyone is already buying up 7/5nm from other foundaries. I think it would be difficult for Intel to compete with a 2080 on their first go. They likely won't have the Mhz to compete or the node/capacity. Their 14+++ is already missing demand and 10nm is still slacking in capacity and not being able to hit frequency. Even if they could magically leap frog on design (doubtful with a first iteration), they wouldn't be able to make them in a y useful quantity.
 
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I'm not impressed. The XeDG1 is a 25W part on the discrete GPU alone being compared to an ryzen 4800u which is a 15W laptop APU part for both the CPU and graphics. This means its LESS power efficient... basically like 100% more power for 40% more performance at 3Dmark. Then this is not even the new Navi architecture but the last gen Vega... Basically we are looking at a stinker with terrible performance per watt.

Edit: I do hope that Intel can become a real 3rd competitor in the graphics market so that prices will get driven down but this first effort is not it.
If Intel releases a competitive discrete gpu, it will not drive down prices. Intel never does that.
 

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Yeah Intel gpu drivers are few and far between especially for older cpus. Hows that going to work with new games are coming out all the time. My Skylake rig just got a new driver 1-16-2020, before that the last driver was 12-23-2015.
I believe they released these new drivers due to a serious security flaw in the shader parser. Everyone had to fix them: amd, nvidia, intel.
 
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