Intel Switches Gears to 7nm Post 10nm, First Node Live in 2021

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  1. sknight

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    Intel's semiconductor manufacturing business has had a terrible past 5 years as it struggled to execute its 10 nanometer roadmap forcing the company's processor designers to re-hash the "Skylake" microarchitecture for 5 generations of Core processors, including the upcoming "Comet Lake." Its truly next-generation microarchitecture, codenamed "Ice Lake," which features a new CPU core design called "Sunny Cove," comes out toward the end of 2019, with desktop rollouts expected 2020. It turns out that the 10 nm process it's designed for, will have a rather short reign at Intel's fabs. Speaking at an investor's summit on Wednesday, Intel put out its silicon fabrication roadmap that sees an accelerated roll-out of Intel's own 7 nm process.

    When it goes live and fit for mass production some time in 2021, Intel's 7 nm process will be a staggering 3 years behind TSMC, which fired up its 7 nm node in 2018. AMD is already mass-producing CPUs and GPUs on this node. Unlike TSMC, Intel will implement EUV (extreme ultraviolet) lithography straightaway. TSMC began 7 nm with DUV (deep ultraviolet) in 2018, and its EUV node went live in March. Samsung's 7 nm EUV node went up last October. Intel's roadmap doesn't show a leap from its current 10 nm node to 7 nm EUV, though. Intel will refine the 10 nm node to squeeze out energy-efficiency, with a refreshed 10 nm+ node that goes live some time in 2020.
    The transition from 10 nm+ to 7 nm EUV will significantly increase transistor-densities. Intel is also making the manufacturing process efficient, by reducing "design rules" by 4 times, giving chip-designers more flexibility and creative freedom in the way they design nanoscopic circuitry. The process will also be optimized for heterogeneous chip designs, Foveros packaging (a very advanced form of MCM), and EMIB (reduced footprint interposer).

    The 7 nm EUV node will receive two major updates in quick succession. The 7 nm+ node is slated for 2022, and succeeding 7 nm++ node in 2023. Intel did not detail the two besides illustrating performance/Watt gains by almost as much as the transition from 10 nm+ to 7 nm. Elsewhere in the market, the early 2020s could see TSMC 6 nm EUV take center-stage, and Samsung implement its 5 nm EUV node.
    Intel will build an Xe enterprise GPGPU based on 7 nm EUV for market release in 2021. The company was specific in mentioning that an "enterprise GP-GPU" will be built on it, and not its entire Xe lineup that includes client-segment, professional, and cloud GPUs. The Xe discrete GPU team, led by Raja Koduri, is probably making a ropewalk, by giving Intel "something" to build on its own fabs, while seeking out Samsung's cutting-edge 5 nm EUV node for the rest of its lineup. Intel confirmed that the its first 7 nm product will be a GPGPU, followed closely by a server CPU.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/255338/intel-switches-gears-to-7nm-post-10nm-first-node-live-in-2021
     
  2. N4CR

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    Lol all this repeated 10nm noise because zen2 is cutting Intel's lunch, lot of marketing hires because they can't engineer their way out now. Lithography is nearing its limits. 2021 is ages away, by then AMD is on or approaching 5nm volume production.
     
  3. Snowdog

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  4. Galvin

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    Intel is like what ever. Waiting on AMD. AMD is going to have the better product this year imo
     
  5. Comixbooks

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    Intel just needs some fancy marketing names like Hoplite Zoloft 6666K and print in in a Demon Red box.
    Basically that is the only thing AMD has on Intel I would change up the Heatsink on Intel processor as well and print a skull on them with flames.
     
  6. ochadd

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    How does one get excited about CPUs anymore? 600 mhz to 1 ghz+ in a year you knew it. Then dual and quad cores were fun. Nehalem and Sandybridge ruined everything. Is an i7 980 or 2600k obsolete yet? Still better then 60 fps so many years later.
     
  7. pillagenburn

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    bring back Cyrix !!!!
     
  8. Galvin

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    The only thing AMD can do is make prices drop. Its nearly a crime charging so much money for such a small upgrade each year
     
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    I think intel is just beating a drum at this point. I highly doubt they will have any significant high-performance parts in 2019. Its most likely going to be starting off with low power stuff.
     
  10. DeathFromBelow

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    Who cares? TSMC actually has working and commercially viable 7nm products, Intel has 14nm ++++++++++ and a roadmap. At this point it's obvious that Intel got behind somewhere.
     
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    What was trolling? There are three threads with the same bullshit. Instead of throwing names, disprove it - everything I said is accurate with best known public information. Three other users liked it and not your post which says enough.
     
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    Mostly same but some parts used for cache are a lot smaller on 7nm TSMC.
     
  13. Which exactly supports what I said about this site. Thanks!

    Three threads? Is that all? There are probably 200 between this site, overclock.net, and others with the exact same tripe you are spewing.

    "Yay AMD good, Intel EVIL, Intel BAD, Intel too expensive, Intel not got 10nm"

    OMFG move on. If you are not interested in reading Intel news, shove off. Find another thread.

    I for one am really tired of all the AMD fanatics jumping into every last Intel related thread and turning it into another Intel bashing fest. It does nothing other than point out how immature and inane most of the readership here is. I have to dig and dig to find a half way intelligent post by someone like Dan who actually knows what the frack he is talking about.

    You want a good read? Look at AMD's Q1 financial statement. Looks pretty grim. You and your little friends better buy a whole bunch of those new chips because they have been investing lots in operations and their operaing costs are up, their operating income is down, and their earnings per share is dismal compared to a year ago.

    Have a nice day!

     
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