Intel Says AMD EPYC Processors "Glued-together" in Official Slide Deck

Discussion in 'AMD Processors' started by JustReason, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. JustReason

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    https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/...cessors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck

    Now I know this is more in line with Intel but being it will warrant some fair amount of negative responses for Intel and positive for AMD, this seemed a better place for it.

    This is bad marketing and some have said they reference WCFT.

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    Above is an example and what many here have said a company doesn't do with a strong product : reference the competition.

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    This is shaping up to be one of those years. Who needs TV.
     
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  2. thesmokingman

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    I was just perusing the thread on TPU. It's pretty funny stuff. Intel must be pulling its proverbial hair out, make it stop!
     
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  3. sirmonkey1985

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    lol wonder how many people are taking the "glued" part literally vs the non literal state it was expressed in that it's running multiple dies instead of a single die. either way they technically aren't wrong but there's a reason why the design is a whole hell of a lot cheaper to produce than the route intel has been going which ends up being passed onto the consumer. good luck intel with your straw grasping it's going well for you ;).
     
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    Meanwhile intel glues their dies to the IHS....
     
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    Pretty rich coming from the company that made Core2Quad.

    Then again it's Intel.
     
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    I thought it was called 'fabric' not 'glue'

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  7. DeathFromBelow

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    Glue? I figured they were at least using some duct tape and chicken wire.
     
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  8. CaptNumbNutz

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    OMG. It's 2007 again. I'm still single, still have hair and AMD is bitching about Intel's glued together quad cores that are beating it in performance.

    ....

    Wait a second.... Shit.

    It's 2017. I'm married, bald. and its actually Intel bitching about AMD's glued together CPU's that are beating it in performance.

    Is it opposite day?
     
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  9. JustReason

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    That seems to be the big laugh across the web.
     
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    I still cannot get over the fact that Intel uses dongles in their fleecing. Dongles man!
     
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    However when this was going on AMD's marketing kept pushing on how their monolithic quad core was better even though it was losing almost all benchmarks. To me this was the straw that broke the camels back. I could no longer call myself an AMD fanboy. I went out and sold my AMD stock and used some of the profit + Microsoft/eBay live cashback ($135) to purchase my Intel core2quad linux based PVR.
     
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  12. lolfail9001

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    I'll be straight, i have no issues with octal socket systems, so Intel while are absolutely correct calling them glued (though irony is rich considering they every CPU is literally glued to IHS these days, only AMD fanboys would take that as insult.

    But when it will come to TR i will be prepared with popcorn to see disaster strike if it turns out that it is slower than even 1800x in some workstation apps due to NUMA specifics.
     
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  13. JustReason

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    heres a picture of those glued together cores.

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    Now that I think of it I don't think I have ever seen a die shot of higher core counts.
     
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  14. n=1

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    I don't think anyone is taking this personally and as an insult (or at least I hope not).

    I'm just loling at Intel calling the kettle black.
     
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    Can't disagree with that.
     
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    Some of the 4 dies appear to be a mirror image of the others. I'm guessing this is a mock up vs AMD actually having two separate Ryzen dies.

    Could still be pretty accurate.
     
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    the benefit of doing MCM is that we're getting good yields in backend flow which translates to lower prices.
     
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    I see this is an essential strategy for AMD to be able to compete with Intel's fab advantage.
     
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    the Naples back-end insertion that I'm working is doing just fine ;)
     
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    Dongles?
     
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    X299 NVMe advanced raid. Enables > raid0 with NVMe drives.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3199...le-crazy-raid-configurations-for-a-price.html
     
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    I was wondering about the infinity fabric connection between diagonally connected dies. Nice, doubled lanes.
     
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    That looks pretty dissimilar from Ryzen die shot, ya know.
     
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    it's pretty much been the route they've gone since the 12 core magny-cours. big difference is they've finally created an architecture that can actually compete with intel.
     
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    Did Intel say something wrong? EPYC is four dies glued together in a package

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    All CPU engineers from companies like IBM, Intel, Sun/Oracle, APM, Cavium, Broadcom, Fujitsu,... use monolithic dies in their server designs. They do because it is the best technological solution, but it seems now that journalists from sites as Techpowerup know better than engineers how to design a server CPU. LOL

    And glad to see that AT review where performance of Broadwell and Skylake Xeons was crippled by huge amounts as 40% or 100% being used to support certain journalist's claims.
     
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    lol, are you serious? Your looking at the future here - dies will not just get bigger and bigger and bigger, they will be more like EPYC. GPU's as well. I see Intel doing this eventually as well. Looks like AMD will make some inroads back into servers. About time.
     
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    Hey first I think a mirror is in order. Second, you keep saying this review is somehow biased and (not or) intentionally crippling the Intels. Where is your proof? I mean real proof not some other review that had different findings.

    As far as EPYCs design... it is the future as Noko states. It is far cheaper to produce with far higher yields. As time goes on Intel will no longer be able to charge their normal fleecing prices when AMD can deliver >80% of the performance for 50% of the costs (80% is low balling it). And that performance is likely going to get even better as AMDs marketshare in all platforms and price ranges increases allowing for far quicker optimizations which will only help bridge that gap.


    And before you or any other claim again some malcontent on the part of a review, you damn well better has some proof because here in this section your words have no weight.
     
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    Probably future chips will be multidie, but NOT using the same approach that AMD is using on EPYC today. Intel is developing EMIB. Meanwhile everyone else is using monolothic dies today because it is superior technology to what AMD is doing on EPYC.

    I am having a sensation of deja vu. I recall people pretending that CMT was the future to threading and I explaining them that CMT was a wrong approach and that everyone else was using SMT. They pretended that only engineers at AMD know the stuff and that rest of engineers on the industry were idiots by choosing SMT. It is funny to read today pieces of opinion from journalists from techpowerup and other sites pretend that engineers from companies like IBM, Intel, Sun/Oracle, APM, Cavium, Broadcom, Fujitsu,... are idiots for using monolithic dies in their server designs. LOL

    Proofs have been given in multiple forums including this one. Performance crippled by huge amounts as 40% or 100%.
     
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    BS. I have seen nothing other than you and shintai saying so and as I said before, your word means liitle, proof is needed. So where is the proof?
     
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  31. juanrga

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    Proofs were given, you rejecting them doesn't mean they will cease to exist.
     
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    WHere? All I have seen as I stated before is you whining and bellyaching about the review not corresponding to others which is not proof. So again I ask where is the proof? What is it exactly? I read a lot of forums and only you and Shintai have made these baseless claims and neither of you give any direct technical evidence just each of you defaming a review for the simple fact it doesn't agree with your conclusions as you wish to see them.
     
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    Where?.. im genuinely asking, where because I haven't seen a single one. Can you just post it?.
     
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    All imma gonna say is....

    Team Red is BACK son son woot woot..

    I'm licking my chops for the day I can visit Microcenter next month and snatch me a 1950x and an Asus Zenith and 64GB of some sweet smelling 3200 ram.

    Oh and 2x 1080ti to go on it also.

    I can't afford the 4000 dollar epic and 1k dollar board lol... too rich for me and I dont need 64 threads
     
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    Giveth us the Proofs you speak of? Speak these truths so that we may all be enlightened by your wisdom
     
  36. JustReason

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    Judging the Forums across the web and their members I am truly curious how sales will be. They look to be huge, but again the posters are not as large as they seem of the market.
     
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    I'm not sure... but this thread could save the entire computer enthusiast community!!
     
  38. juanrga

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    Check Skylake Xeon threads in this same forum. Or check RWT.
     
  39. JustReason

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    I read a few other places and nothing. So to keep it simple, why don't you post your proof with adequate explanation here, so us that generally only venture the AMD forums can see this damning evidence here where it pertains to the CPU being discussed HERE.
     
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  40. sirmonkey1985

    sirmonkey1985 [H]ard|DCer of the Month - July 2010

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    i'd say some where in the 100k cpu sales range for each manufacture, the market for the i9 and threadripper is way too niche. but even at those numbers both companies will still make a profit off them, especially AMD since they just re-purposed a cpu they already had on the market vs creating an entire new cpu like intel had too.