Intel Plans To Battle AMD Ryzen 4000 In 2020 With Mass of Hyper-Threaded Processors Including 5.3GHz

cjcox said:
I'm so confused. Intel to battle now... or Intel to play catch up later with 5nm? It's like watching a Democratic debate on TV.

This is why people vote AMD.
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Intel conducts a tactical retreat with mass of hyper-threaded processors
 
If they really want to play this game the best thing they could do, assuming power constraints are similar and accurate based off the chart is for once in their life keep the socket the same and continue the 1151.
Thats the only way I see them coming out ahead.
 
VulcaN said:
How is it a sidegrade? I'm just trying to squeeze a few more FPS out of my cpu bound games and from what I can see reviews are saying even an "old" 9900k would do that for me.
Upon further digging, it seems like the sidegrade would be going from a 9900k to a 10700k.

That said the article in this post said the i9-10900K could hit 5.3 stock, which is what intrigued me. That would be higher than any 9900k I'd get probably, and make the upgrade even more worthwhile.
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Very slight improvment for your money. Of course if money is not an issue, and you can recover some from selling the 7700K core components....

 
I just wish the would get the x series production up so the prices for them are better
 
vick1000 said:
No reason to sidegrade.
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Yeah, from all indication, thi is going to be more Skylake. So the best you might see is 10% performance boost (with overclock).

Your best bet might be Zen 3. We will have to see how much of a clock speed bump + IPC bump they get with 7nm EUV. But AMD already has single-core turbo up to 4.7 ghz, so it might be possible.

But you will probably be waiting for awhile for better singe-thread performance than your 7700k
 
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defaultluser said:
But you will probably be waiting for awhile for better singe-thread performance than your 7700k
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Only real reason for a consumer to upgrade beyond a 7700K is for heavier parallel workloads; most day to day stuff and even most gaming (that is, sub-AAA / competitive) simply won't benefit to a level to make a difference to the user.
 
Shoganai said:
Was talking about the high end. No competition for NVIDIA so their cards are nuts and no competition for AMD so their CPUs are nuts. This is why competition is important ... it causes competitive pricing.
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Lol, so AMD please prices are nuts? They give you 16/32 for less than $1k... What did you do before they started offering such performance? You bought 4/8 for $400-$500 and where happy. Now you get 4x the cores for 2x the price and it's rediculous, lol. You can get a 3600x for a very reasonable price. You can't compare top end prices as Intel was artificially limiting the top end and still charging big margins. The top end AMD is more of a productivity CPU than a normal desktop CPU, and it often gets compared to $1200+ CPU's. I don't feel like the prices are out of line for what you get.
 
Ready4Dis said:
Lol, so AMD please prices are nuts? They give you 16/32 for less than $1k... What did you do before they started offering such performance? You bought 4/8 for $400-$500 and where happy. Now you get 4x the cores for 2x the price and it's rediculous, lol. You can get a 3600x for a very reasonable price. You can't compare top end prices as Intel was artificially limiting the top end and still charging big margins. The top end AMD is more of a productivity CPU than a normal desktop CPU, and it often gets compared to $1200+ CPU's. I don't feel like the prices are out of line for what you get.
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What I mean is ... AMD doesn't have any competition at the moment in the CPU space so they're pricing their CPUs how they want now. I didn't say that their CPUs aren't worth the money.
 
Shoganai said:
What I mean is ... AMD doesn't have any competition at the moment in the CPU space so they're pricing their CPUs how they want now. I didn't say that their CPUs aren't worth the money.
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LOL, I think Intel is still competitive. AMD just has the DIY market wrapped up for the most part. It's not like AMD is in the position Intel was, when AMD was on Bulldozer.
 
Shoganai said:
What I mean is ... AMD doesn't have any competition at the moment in the CPU space so they're pricing their CPUs how they want now. I didn't say that their CPUs aren't worth the money.
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It's not the lack of competition, it's their willingness to step on their workstation profits to deliver something unheard of to the desktop space, but you still have to pay some extra $ for it. I paid $250 for my son's 6600k brand new. It has 4/4... Intel is on the same process (still 14nm) and is now offering i3's with that many for under $100.. I feel like AMD is giving us a lot more for the same costs as Intel and has forced Intel to do more as well. The fact that any time previously you would have had to purchase a dual CPU combo to get anywhere close to 16 cores, means the price of entry to that space is much less than it was. I don't feel like prices have gone up much, just that the top end is much higher up the scale than it used to be.
 
Ready4Dis said:
It's not the lack of competition, it's their willingness to step on their workstation profits to deliver something unheard of to the desktop space, but you still have to pay some extra $ for it. I paid $250 for my son's 6600k brand new. It has 4/4... Intel is on the same process (still 14nm) and is now offering i3's with that many for under $100.. I feel like AMD is giving us a lot more for the same costs as Intel and has forced Intel to do more as well. The fact that any time previously you would have had to purchase a dual CPU combo to get anywhere close to 16 cores, means the price of entry to that space is much less than it was. I don't feel like prices have gone up much, just that the top end is much higher up the scale than it used to be.
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That makes sense. Now what doesn’t make sense is NVIDIA’s pricing. I wish AMD would make a dent in the top end there.
 
Shoganai said:
That makes sense. Now what doesn’t make sense is NVIDIA’s pricing. I wish AMD would make a dent in the top end there.
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I agree, I'm pessimistically hopeful. I don't think it's going to be like ryzen, I think this iteration will be a bit closer, the next iteration closer and eventually on par again. Nvidia didn't stagnate like Intel did, so they aren't going to magicqlly be able to leap frog. They need to fix their driver issues and be seen as equivalent instead of the cheap brand that people but to save money but know they aren't as good (or have as many features, etc). They are hoping to get 2080 speeds, hopefully closer to 2080ti... They are still playing catch up. I'm rooting for them though, I have 5 desktops with AMD cards in them, but they were cheap and I don't want to spend $1000 per desktop!!
 
He just seems not to care about cleaning cpus off after benching them. All his cpus have globs of paste all around the edges. That would set off my OCD, I always clean my cpus with som 91% IPA.
 
Starfalcon said:
He just seems not to care about cleaning cpus off after benching them. All his cpus have globs of paste all around the edges. That would set off my OCD, I always clean my cpus with som 91% IPA.
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Even if I clean them 1000s of times I'll still clean them all the way. Watching that made me twitch.
 
Kdawg said:
my i7 6700hq is feeling ancient, but I am not due for an upgrade until 2023.
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Ancient because something faster came out, or ancient because it is no longer fit for purpose?

fullvietFX said:
This feels like the Pentium 4 debacle again.
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The Pentium 4 was never optimized for mobile use. As absurd as the idea was on the desktop, where it worked well enough, it was far more absurd for mobile.

The Core and following architectures have served admirably for over a decade.
 
Auer said:
Don't be sad, every time AMD launches a new gen, the previous one will have a 75% price drop :)
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I'm going to wait for 3950X to cut price in half then I will jump on it. I've tried 3600, 3700X, 3800X and 3900X, but my finger always burns when I point it at the 3950X.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Ancient because something faster came out, or ancient because it is no longer fit for purpose?
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it suffices for now. That's why my upgrade timeline has been pushed to 2023.
It more than handles 4k video, watching 8 pornos simultaneously, and gaming with the gtx1060.

For video encoding, I can wait.
 
well, i sold my 3950x, x570 motherboard, and ram, with the plan now of going 10900k when it comes out in a month. I loved my 9900k with TitanXP combo last year, so this 10900k and 2080Ti combo should be killer for games.. I actually am looking foward to this!
 
newls1 said:
well, i sold my 3950x, x570 motherboard, and ram, with the plan now of going 10900k when it comes out in a month. I loved my 9900k with TitanXP combo last year, so this 10900k and 2080Ti combo should be killer for games.. I actually am looking foward to this!
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Did you not like the amd combo? or what was the reason for selling/planning to switch back?
 
newls1 said:
i like to try new hardware... I buy new stuff, play with it, then sell it off. after all, this is a "hobby"
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Yep, I did the opposite. Sold off my 9900KF rig and purchased a 3950X rig. Love this hobby.
 
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fullvietFX said:
I have more fun putting it together than actually using it.
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ME TOOOO! Just something so enjoyable about setting up the hardware, cutting tubes for water loop, installing pumps and radiators, and then hitting that power button for the 1st time and hoping it posts while crossing your fingers.. yep good times.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
By far the most interesting part to me, isn't necessarily the performance but rather the performance per watt. Or said another way: the battery life. I won't give spoilers, but for a lot of us using a laptop in general the mobile aspect matters a lot. AMD's battery life proposition changes the game.
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They're well on their way!
 
newls1 said:
ME TOOOO! Just something so enjoyable about setting up the hardware, cutting tubes for water loop, installing pumps and radiators, and then hitting that power button for the 1st time and hoping it posts while crossing your fingers.. yep good times.
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I hope you power on the core components on the bench, before installing a custom loop.
 
newls1 said:
well, i sold my 3950x, x570 motherboard, and ram, with the plan now of going 10900k when it comes out in a month. I loved my 9900k with TitanXP combo last year, so this 10900k and 2080Ti combo should be killer for games.. I actually am looking foward to this!
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i have a binned 9900ks system and a 3900x both water cooled tweak high end , and the intel wins hands down in most if not all daily things i do
 
the_real_7 said:
i have a binned 9900ks system and a 3900x both water cooled tweak high end , and the intel wins hands down in most if not all daily things i do
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So it runs IE 10% faster? What exactly and how much?
 
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So, I had an i7-4790k/z87(?) combo. It seemed a little long in the tooth, so this past week I replaced it with a Ryzen 7 3700x/X570. Yeah, it kicks ass. (Hey, the 4790k will most likely be used elsewhere: it's still a relevant cpu/mobo combo.)

Now, as background, one of my other rigs has been giving me fits lately. The i7-6700k/z170 internet downloads has been bogged. I've tried a LOT of troubleshooting. (It has two intel NICs.) I've downloaded new drivers: no benefit; I pulled out every drive, put in a new NVMe M2 drive and put a fresh Win10 install and that didn't help. I bought a NIC card and used that and that hasn't helped. To sum, I've tried a fresh OS on a fresh drive, a new network connection, and other attempts. It seems the motherboard has an issue...

Okay...a 6th generation intel cpu needs a motherboard. Yeah, try to find one. Intel supports 6th generation cpus with z170 and z270 chipsets. I'm seeing crazy high prices. If I want to preserve my 64GB of ram, I can buy an 8th/9th generation motherboard, but that means I'd also have to buy an 8th/9th generation cpu. That drives my motherboard swap up to ~$500.

My goal is to swap the motherboard to fix the download issue. But due to the planned obsolescence of intel's motherboards, I'm being jammed. This should be a $150-200 issue.

Why am I posting this here?

Because there is NO FRIGGIN' WAY I'm going to buy another intel processor after beating my head against the wall with this. Sure, talk about 5.2 GHz. Whatever.

Instead, I'll gimp along for a few months and then buy another Ryzen, an AMD mobo, and some replacement RAM. It'll cost about $800+, but at least I'll know that I'll have longer compatibility should another issue arise.

Intel, your choice to make motherboards go EOL with each cpu generation has finally bitten me on the a**. Now I understand why folks have griped about this.
 
c3k said:
Intel, your choice to make motherboards go EOL with each cpu generation has finally bitten me on the a**. Now I understand why folks have griped about this.
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Intel: But, but... but.... we love you! 💘
 
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