Intel May Launch Ice Lake 8 Core/16 Thread CPUs in Second Half of 2018

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A Eurocom representative has revealed that his company (which manufacturers high-end laptops and workstations) is updating their Tornado F5 notebook to the Z390 chipset, noting that 8C/16T CPUs will land in H2/18. These will presumably be Ice Lake chips that utilize Intel’s second-generation 10nm architecture.
 
Soon you'll get a kit to stick 32 moar coars right up your ass hole in the package with your processor.

It's like stuffed crust pizza, anything to avoid making a decent fucking crust.
 
If it's not Z170/270 compatible with my current mobo then I do not give a crap. My next build is going to be Ryzen.

Krenum said:
Disclaimer: Lube not included.
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What, that tube of thermal paste doesn't count as lube?
 
Always torn on Intel.

I always want to support AMD.... Yet Intel has been really good to Linux pushing new features to the kernel and supplying more lines of code to the project then any other company. Yet on the GPU side of things AMD has fully open sourced their drivers.

AHHHH what is a neck beard to do. lol :)

Seriously though like most people after 2-3 generations of Intel machines its looking like I owe AMD some of my business.
 
Delicieuxz said:
I'm looking forward to 8 core / 16 thread Intel CPUs. Finally, the CPU market is moving ahead again.

I would also like to see Intel produce full official chipset drivers for their new CPUs for Windows 7. Maybe they will be provoked to do so by AMD having already released full Ryzen and Threadripper chipset drivers for Windows 7:

https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset/previous/detail?os=Windows 10 - 64&rev=17.10
https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Windows 10 - 64
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I think it is Microsoft for some reason being the ones asking Intel not to make drivers for Windows 7 for Kaby Lake and higher CPUs.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/311...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html
 
Delicieuxz said:
I'm looking forward to 8 core / 16 thread Intel CPUs. Finally, the CPU market is moving ahead again.

I would also like to see Intel produce full official chipset drivers for their new CPUs for Windows 7. Maybe they will be provoked to do so by AMD having already released full Ryzen and Threadripper chipset drivers for Windows 7:

https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset/previous/detail?os=Windows 10 - 64&rev=17.10
https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Windows 10 - 64
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You may have missed this:
https://arstechnica.com/information...locked-from-receiving-updates-on-old-windows/
 
Shintai said:
You may have missed this:
https://arstechnica.com/information...locked-from-receiving-updates-on-old-windows/
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Nope. That restriction is entirely optional and a person can either uninstall the KB update that adds it, or they can not install it in the first place. Alternatively, a person can run this to just disable the popup about an entirely artificial CPU restriction: https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc

A person could also download and install updates via WSUS.

And another option is to download a 2015 - 2017-updated Windows 7 ISO, use it to install Windows 7, and then just disable Windows Update deliberately because Microsoft's modern updates have bad QA and are filled with telemetry.

The bottom line is, though, that it's simple to continue receiving Windows 7 updates on systems running any newer Intel or AMD CPUs.
 
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Burticus said:
If it's not Z170/270 compatible with my current mobo then I do not give a crap. My next build is going to be Ryzen.



What, that tube of thermal paste doesn't count as lube?
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I usually upgrade from chip to chip , to maintain value and sell quik. But this garbage which is to add but another chipset which is exactly the same as the last 2 Z170 Z270 chipsets is bullshit, they all ready burned the people who upgraded they're z170 for absolutely zero reasons. Amd is my next upgrade.
 
Looks like I might go X299 in stead of Z370 since that one seems to be even more doa now then b4.
 
8 cores in a laptop would be amazeballs. I will be upgrading around that time, though probably to AMD considering Intels socket bullshit.
It will be my first AMD build.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Soon you'll get a kit to stick 32 moar coars right up your ass hole in the package with your processor.

It's like stuffed crust pizza, anything to avoid making a decent fucking crust.
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I'm not sure what you just said, but I like the way you said it.
 
Delicieuxz said:
Nope. That restriction is entirely optional and a person can either uninstall the KB update that adds it, or they can not install it in the first place. Alternatively, a person can run this to just disable the popup about an entirely artificial CPU restriction: https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc

A person could also download and install updates via WSUS.

And another option is to download a 2015 - 2017-updated Windows 7 ISO, use it to install Windows 7, and then just disable Windows Update deliberately because Microsoft's modern updates have bad QA and are filled with telemetry.

The bottom line is, though, that it's simple to continue receiving Windows 7 updates on systems running any newer Intel or AMD CPUs.
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Optional?

Clue is in the word dude - If something is "optional" the person is GIVEN the option.

If it relies on a workaround, it's not optional - it's mandatory but able to be circumvented.
 
BloodyIron said:
After AMD's CPU releases this year, I really just am not interested in giving money to Intel, who have scalped us for years. I'd rather support a company trying to compete, instead of a company just turning cogs.
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I keep repeating that, yet the intel fanbois and other blind ones calls me all kind of names for stating the exact thing.

But brand and company loyalty runs rampant in all forums.
 
grtitan said:
I keep repeating that, yet the intel fanbois and other blind ones calls me all kind of names for stating the exact thing.
But brand and company loyalty runs rampant in all forums.
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Kind of the same thing (but to a lesser extent) with nVIDIA and DAMMiT.
I miss the days when you had a nerd orgy of companies in 3D (Real3D, S3, SiS, Imagine, Matrox, 3Dfx, Rendition, etc.)
 
WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Kind of the same thing (but to a lesser extent) with nVIDIA and DAMMiT.
I miss the days when you had a nerd orgy of companies in 3D (Real3D, S3, SiS, Imagine, Matrox, 3Dfx, Rendition, etc.)
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Dont get me started on nvidia. I really hate their forced telemetry, yet in sites like this, they keep getting free passes because, admittedly, their last couple of offerings are very good.

Disclaimer, my current cpu is a i5-3570k and gpu is a 970, got a good deal on them and amd didnt had anything to respond, but it doesnt mean that im blind to the fuckery of both intel and nvidia.

Talking about more gpu companies, i think that imagination should come back to the deskto with their powerVR chips.

Lastly, pooring one for Rendition and 3dfx...
 
GlacierNine said:
Optional?

Clue is in the word dude - If something is "optional" the person is GIVEN the option.

If it relies on a workaround, it's not optional - it's mandatory but able to be circumvented.
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It is a disrespectful and shit setup by Microsoft, I completely agree with that. But I don't leave Windows Update on 'download and install updates automatically,' and so I have never had KB4012218 or KB4012219 installed on my Windows 7 system in the first place. Since Windows 7 provides the user with the option to choose automatic updates or not, it is optional. Work-arounds can be used to disable the update's impact if it's been installed, while a user's option can be used to not install those updates in the first place, or to uninstall them after the fact.

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/03/22/kb4012218-kb4012219-windows-update-processor-generation-detection/
 
Delicieuxz said:
It is a disrespectful and shit setup by Microsoft, I completely agree with that. But I don't leave Windows Update on 'download and install updates automatically,' and so I have never had KB4012218 or KB4012219 installed on my Windows 7 system in the first place. Since Windows 7 provides the user with the option to choose automatic updates or not, it is optional. Work-arounds can be used to disable the update's impact if it's been installed, while a user's option can be used to not install those updates in the first place, or to uninstall them after the fact.

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/03/22/kb4012218-kb4012219-windows-update-processor-generation-detection/
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That's a nice paragraph that absolutely doesn't have any relevance to my point.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. I said that you were calling an elaborate set of workarounds the entirely wrong thing.

Also I know this is [H], but your entire post comes off as being astoundingly out-of-touch with reality - What you proposed is in no way simple for the average computer user. To them, this is not an option. It's not even an option they're shown, but don't understand - it is practically black magic.

Not to mention that those people who don't understand what you said, are EXACTLY the most important group of people who need to receive updates painlessly in order to avoid getting hit by shit later on that convenient and timely updates would have mitigated (Most recently, Wannacry).
 
GlacierNine said:
That's a nice paragraph that absolutely doesn't have any relevance to my point.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. I said that you were calling an elaborate set of workarounds the entirely wrong thing.

Also I know this is [H], but your entire post comes off as being astoundingly out-of-touch with reality - What you proposed is in no way simple for the average computer user. To them, this is not an option. It's not even an option they're shown, but don't understand - it is practically black magic.

Not to mention that those people who don't understand what you said, are EXACTLY the most important group of people who need to receive updates painlessly in order to avoid getting hit by shit later on that convenient and timely updates would have mitigated (Most recently, Wannacry).
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The setting a person chooses for Windows Update is certainly a non-workaround user option, and did therefore address your point. Now you're arguing that it's not an option non tech-savvy people are aware of. OK... maybe, I don't know. But as far as your argument of my post goes, I've shown substantiation for what I said.

And this is the first time I've heard of disabling automatic updates in Windows 7 "black magic." I think, though I'm not sure, that Windows Updates also asks a person after a fresh Windows 7 installation which Windows Update settings they want to use - if so, then a person is only using automatic updates in the first place it's because somebody chose it.


There are just three steps involved in not having the hardware restriction update installed:


1. Click on Change Settings
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2. Choose a different setting
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3. Choose to not download or install the March monthly rollup update that contains the hardware restriction.


If a person has already installed the relevant updates, then they still have the built-in option of uninstalling the relevant updates.

And I agree that the provided options do not go far enough - but the option does exist within the stock Windows 7 Windows Update settings, and so does a one-time patch work-around if people want the dispel the impact of the restriction while not bothering getting into any settings or anything else.
 
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Again you completely sidestep.

The type of users who won't join the dots to do those things, are EXACTLY the type of users who *need* automatic updates to keep them safe.

It doesn't matter how you dress this up, your solutions are:

1 - Manually uninstall specific updates. Black magic for the uneducated user, and an endless annoyance after that as they must manually choose not to reinstall it with every new batch of updates.

2 - Disable windows update entirely. Fucking idiotic to do on a machine used by anyone that isn't going to alter their online behaviour to avoid potential security problems caused by not having an updated machine.

3 - Download a workaround program that isn't publicised or mentioned anywhere that these users are going to ever see.



These don't make it "optional", they make it "circumventable", with significant drawbacks.

Calling these solutions the same thing as making it "optional" is like burning your dirty clothes and calling it "laundry".
 
GlacierNine said:
Again you completely sidestep.

The type of users who won't join the dots to do those things, are EXACTLY the type of users who *need* automatic updates to keep them safe.

It doesn't matter how you dress this up, your solutions are:

1 - Manually uninstall specific updates. Black magic for the uneducated user, and an endless annoyance after that as they must manually choose not to reinstall it with every new batch of updates.

2 - Disable windows update entirely. Fucking idiotic to do on a machine used by anyone that isn't going to alter their online behaviour to avoid potential security problems caused by not having an updated machine.

3 - Download a workaround program that isn't publicised or mentioned anywhere that these users are going to ever see.



These don't make it "optional", they make it "circumventable", with significant drawbacks.

Calling these solutions the same thing as making it "optional" is like burning your dirty clothes and calling it "laundry".
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I didn't side-step, I confronted what you said head on. However, you're ignoring and re-framing what I said. Maybe you just aren't aware of the functionality that Windows 7 Windows Update has. A person could not know how to open Notepad or File Explorer - but that wouldn't mean that those things don't exist in Windows, and that the option to use them isn't there.


You said: "1 - Manually uninstall specific updates. Black magic for the uneducated user, and an endless annoyance after that as they must manually choose not to reinstall it with every new batch of updates."

No, a person can tell Windows Update to block a particular update so that it won't be installed by right-clicking on it and selecting "hide update":

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Also, the scenario you described could only happen if a person turns automatic updates back on. But once they're aware of the other Windows Update download and install options, why would somebody want to do that?

There is the chance, however, that Microsoft has re-package the 'unsupported hardware' message in further updates, though I have not seen mention of this anywhere.



You said: "2 - Disable windows update entirely. Fucking idiotic to do on a machine used by anyone that isn't going to alter their online behaviour to avoid potential security problems caused by not having an updated machine."

There are 4 settings for Windows Update. Only one of them is disabling Windows Update entirely. One is allowing automatic updates, and the other two give a person control over which updates are installed.

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Also, on one of my systems, I've been running Windows 7 with Windows Update disabled for the last 3 years, and have not encountered any issue. Yes, having smart browsing habits is required - which come naturally once a person learns to recognize clickbait, to not click links in spam emails, and to know to not visit obscure porn and warez sites.
 
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I apologize first hand for any ignorance in the forthcoming statement but it is how I feel. Doesn't it seem like Intel is flooding the market with too much, too soon doing too little in the last 2 years? I mean, they went from x99>x199>x299>and recently reports of x399 chipsets. The amount of chips are getting equally dizzying. Much like this post, what's the point?
 
lostin3d said:
I apologize first hand for any ignorance in the forthcoming statement but it is how I feel. Doesn't it seem like Intel is flooding the market with too much, too soon doing too little in the last 2 years? I mean, they went from x99>x199>x299>and recently reports of x399 chipsets. The amount of chips are getting equally dizzying. Much like this post, what's the point?
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Its not different than what it used to be. And there was no x199 chipset for example. And no x399 chipset will exist either. X99 is a Q3 2014 chipset. X299 is a Q2 2017 chipset.
 
Then just take their clients and laugh.

grtitan said:
I keep repeating that, yet the intel fanbois and other blind ones calls me all kind of names for stating the exact thing.

But brand and company loyalty runs rampant in all forums.
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lostin3d said:
I apologize first hand for any ignorance in the forthcoming statement but it is how I feel. Doesn't it seem like Intel is flooding the market with too much, too soon doing too little in the last 2 years? I mean, they went from x99>x199>x299>and recently reports of x399 chipsets. The amount of chips are getting equally dizzying. Much like this post, what's the point?
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I think its this year that's really confused the crap out of a lot of people. They've already released the 200 series and now again 300 series year. With the new X299 and fact X99, 100 series and even 90 series are still widely available and supported with new processors from last year. That's also just the chipsets, processor scene is similar.
 
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