It's not necessarly true that these "F" variants are defective chips. Intel is having trouble meeting demand, and reducing the die size of the i9-9900K by removing the iGPU to produce the i9-9900KF would allow them to get more die per wafer (and at a lower cost per die). The part has an obvious market: how many people buy an i9-9900K and don't use a discrete GPU with it?
So there's plenty of reason to think the i9-9900KF (and the other parts) could be new smaller die.
They might not be, or some might be and some might not -- that's the way to maximize the yield, but Intel's major customers would probably demand two SKUs (one for removed-iGPU die, another for disabled-iGPU die). Retail, though, might not be given that info.
If Intel hasn't said whether these die have the iGPU removed or just deleted, we'll have to wait for people to de-lid these products to find out.
This is a weird thing about Intel: in some ways, they don't need new products, they are selling all they can make. This -KF series of chips may be so they can make more without having to build new fabs.
I mean, that's almost sorta similar to the Xeon generations? Ish?1st Gen - Nehalem/LynnField/Westmere/Clarksdale
2nd Gen - SandyBridge/IvyBridge
3rd Gen - Haswell/Devils Canyon/Broadwell
4th Gen - Skylake/KabyLake/Coffeelake/Coffeelake-refresh
well, unless it's yet another offshoot of Skylake, I say a definite maybe?
except for not having integrated graphics. Technically it is there on the silicon, but it has been disabled
That’s just marketing spin that we all roll our eyes at. But I’m not going to complain if it’s slightly cheaper and slightly cooler. Everyone tries to spin off their defective yields in a lessor SKU, Intel, amd, nvidia. Nothing new.
Well, I mean, it's not like they haven't released consumer iGPU-less CPUs before. There were a few P series i5s back in the Sandy/Ivy Bridge generation, as well as the i5-2550K.So Intel can say they have done something new, innovative and refreshing - unlike their competitor.
The yields don't really change w/ or w/o a IGP it's all based on the die size of the CPU itself. They could put in a chiplet CPU in place of the IGP and have just as good yields, but it may or may not be damaged in the same way the IGP would be.Depends on your definition of "good die".
With the IGP you get a relatively large portion of dies with eight working cores and damaged IGP.
Without the IGP more dies will turn out with a damaged core.
Well, I'm impatiently awaiting AMD's conference today.
Assuming you mean "confusion" sarcastically.Probably not. Not because they couldn't. but because Intel and it's motherboard vendors don't want that level of confusion.
I'll sum it up:
- Gloating about their awesomeness
- Hung Out with Phil Spencer and talked gaming
- Talked with some people at a Fox studio, talked about how usefull Treadripper is.
- 7's a great number, we love the number 7.
- Showed Vega 2 based Radeon V-II(7), looks to be about RTX-2080 Performance.
- 8/16 Zen 2(Ryzen 5 3600x?) is equal to the i9-9900k in Cinebench.
- At least two dies on the substrate. A 7nm Zen2 and a 14nm IO Die
- Nothing out till after June
- Did we mention how much we love the number 7? 7nm, Ryzen 7, Radeon 7!!!
The meat of it was:
The proposed Ryzen 5 3600x is reportedly supposed to be 8/16, and at half the price of the i9-9900k delivers similar performance. That would mean that the Ryzen 3 3300x would deliver similar performance to an i7 8700k at again, half the price.
The Radeon VII, is supposed to offer RTX-2080 performance at 4k. No word on price. Rumor is $699.