I know it's mostly rumours and speculation at this point, but I think Intel themselves have made some statements that Ice Lake desktop/enthusiast parts (i.e. 6C/12T+) will not be out until mid to late 2020 as they are focusing on mobile first. Is that accurate based on what we know today)? Debating when to upgrade my rig (see below), and if there's no chance of desktop Ice Lake for another year then I will make a decision based on Ryzen 3800X/3900X vs. 9700K/9900K and may as well upgrade in the next few months once independent benchmarks for Zen 2 are released. I'm still running a 3770K rig I built in 2012, recently upgraded to a 1080 Ti from a 970 to go with my new 1440p 144Hz display. I know I'm CPU bottlenecked which is why I am interested in upgrading. I'm a huge CD Projekt Red fan and my main goal is to be able to play Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out, will likely sell my 1080 Ti and get a 2080 Ti/Super so I can enjoy the ray tracing in that game. But again, if Ice Lake isn't coming until after Cyberpunk is released then I do not want to wait it out.