Intel, HP Prepare for the End of Days for XP

CommanderFrank

CommanderFrank

Cat Can't Scratch It
Joined
May 9, 2000
Messages
75,399
Two more nails in XP’s coffin lid, this time coming from HP and Intel. When the big boys start making plans to move on support-wise, it’s time to start looking around for a new operating system post-haste.

And Microsoft has a message for you: "If your organization has not started the migration to a modern desktop, you are late," the company says.
Click to expand...
 
So what Linux distro is everyone recommending for old XP computers? It's not worth putting Win 8, on an old computer.
 
BladeVenom said:
So what Linux distro is everyone recommending for old XP computers? It's not worth putting Win 8, on an old computer.
Click to expand...

Debian works fine for me. But, XP won't stop working. Just stop getting updates and official support. Kind of like Windows 3.11 still works fine. If you have a super old machine that is mission critical, and you can put Linux on there, it might be best to finally upgrade that old POS hardware to a new box.
 
It may not stop working, but you won't want to go on the internet with it. That's what the average person who has an old computer uses it for.
 
Anything on a livecd would be ideal for internet browsing. Since the CD is not writable if it were to become infected a simple reboot should get rid of the infection...unless it's in firmware or otherwise quite insidious.

Personally I'm still running XP in a MAME cabinet and have been looking to move it to something more modern with better dual core/64-bit support. It's not hooked to the internet so I don't particularly worry about whether it's supported/updated in any way. Otherwise my computers are a combination of Windows 7/8.1.
 
BladeVenom said:
It may not stop working, but you won't want to go on the internet with it. That's what the average person who has an old computer uses it for.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I have three friends and family in that boat. It's hard to tell them they need to buy an OS when it's more than they should spend on a whole PC for all they use them for.

So wish me luck, fellow [H]ers, I've convinced one of them to try Linux.
 
BladeVenom said:
So what Linux distro is everyone recommending for old XP computers? It's not worth putting Win 8, on an old computer.
Click to expand...

You say that, but with windows 7 and 8. I have noticed that on the same hardware that the newer OSs run better than the old. so yes you might have an old computer there, but Windows 7 or 8 would run just fine on it as long as at least have the min specs for the system. I haven't noticed any machine go from an older version of windows to a newer and be slower unless the machine had some issue with it, or was only trying to get by on 512MB of ram to start with.
 
BladeVenom said:
So what Linux distro is everyone recommending for old XP computers? It's not worth putting Win 8, on an old computer.
Click to expand...

If you can put Win7 on it, you can put Win8 on it, no sweat...;)

But actually, probably the best thing to do is to simply continue to run XP on those old boxes until those old boxes gasp and give up the ghost. However, just because company A says "We aren't supporting XP any longer" doesn't mean that XP has suddenly become incompatible and won't run anymore...! Shoot, if the people still clinging to XP (those rare few that still exist maybe lost somewhere in the South American rain forests), haven't *by now* gotten all the support it is possible to get for XP--then it's time for them to move on anyway because they're clueless.....;) It's time to start over.

Why on earth would they go to Linux and suffer massive, instantaneous incompatibility with whatever software library they've accumulated over the years? I don't think a suggestion of Linux is necessarily helpful for these folks, whoever and wherever they my be.

I actually think this "announcement" by IBM and Linux is sort of silly as it really doesn't amount to much in terms of real inconvenience for anyone.
 
BladeVenom said:
It may not stop working, but you won't want to go on the internet with it. That's what the average person who has an old computer uses it for.
Click to expand...

You shouldn't want to go on the internet with XP now anyways.
 
It used to be the customer was served, now the customer is dictated to. makes a common man see a need for a thorough culling of people inhuman.
 
StormUP said:
Anything on a livecd would be ideal for internet browsing. Since the CD is not writable if it were to become infected a simple reboot should get rid of the infection...unless it's in firmware or otherwise quite insidious.

Personally I'm still running XP in a MAME cabinet and have been looking to move it to something more modern with better dual core/64-bit support. It's not hooked to the internet so I don't particularly worry about whether it's supported/updated in any way. Otherwise my computers are a combination of Windows 7/8.1.
Click to expand...

The 64-bit versions of latest MAME builds give much better performance. A dual core processor is fine as MAME does not and cannot utilize more than two cores. With the latest games it's actually more about raw processor speed.
 
It's funny that someone would actually believe that an HP machine built in the days of XP would still be operational today.
 
mwallek said:
It used to be the customer was served, now the customer is dictated to. makes a common man see a need for a thorough culling of people inhuman.
Click to expand...

Really or are you trolling?

XP is over 12 years old now. Tell me who else is still patching their 12 year old software?
 
Face it, XP had a very good long run, as much the OS itself is good to many people, it is time for it to be officially retired because it is old, outdated and is losing a lot of software or hardware support today, why would anyone install XP on a new system is beyond me, it most likely will not even take full advantage of modern hardware.
 
Ultima99 said:
Really or are you trolling?

XP is over 12 years old now. Tell me who else is still patching their 12 year old software?
Click to expand...

too many fucking kids around that don't know what is normal. that and people that just like to bitch if Microsoft is still in business from one day to the next.

For anyone that has been around they are use to this. The same issue came up when Windows 2000 was no longer supported, people bitched and moaned that they had to switch to XP or Vista from Windows 2000 given that windows 2000 was a perfectly working OS. Now Its time for XP to retire and the same thing comes up. And in time the same will happen for windows 7. Hell, people will probably bitch the same for Vista, even though people think it is the mark of the devil (still not sure why) they will protest that Microsoft is ending support on it when its time comes.
 
I would normally agree that XP is still really viable but Windows 7 is just so superior and very well supported now. People who run XP may find upgrading to 7 actually nets performance with its vastly increased memory management and tons of other features.

Makes sense the big boys are moving on.
 
My company has these printing machines that ONLY works with XP, and the printer's manufacturing company that's based in Israel refuses to upgrade their base install to at least Win7. It pisses me off to no end, especially since those handful of PCs are the only XPs left in the entire office.
 
We still have XP machines that we will not be able to get rid of for years to come. We are currently setting up our network so that they are on their own subnet in case all hell breaks loose in terms of malware or attacks.
 
Many companies have already been ignoring XP when it comes to driver support in new products. A few of Intel's SoCs from a year ago have lacked XP support.
 
StormUP said:
Anything on a livecd would be ideal for internet browsing. Since the CD is not writable if it were to become infected a simple reboot should get rid of the infection...unless it's in firmware or otherwise quite insidious.

Personally I'm still running XP in a MAME cabinet and have been looking to move it to something more modern with better dual core/64-bit support. It's not hooked to the internet so I don't particularly worry about whether it's supported/updated in any way. Otherwise my computers are a combination of Windows 7/8.1.
Click to expand...

Windows Thin PC Edition might be a good choice for your MAME cabinet
 
And if you like your doctor you can keep him. If you like your health care provider you can keep them. Yep that will work? It's the death panel!
 
pxc said:
Many companies have already been ignoring XP when it comes to driver support in new products. A few of Intel's SoCs from a year ago have lacked XP support.
Click to expand...

The integration between Atom SoCs and the OS running on it is pretty tight, even if you develop drivers there are just things that don't work to Windows XP. like multi-touch, connected standby and so forth. So there isn't a point in the work required for an OS that's about to become unsupported anyway.
 
EndlessRed said:
My company has these printing machines that ONLY works with XP, and the printer's manufacturing company that's based in Israel refuses to upgrade their base install to at least Win7. It pisses me off to no end, especially since those handful of PCs are the only XPs left in the entire office.
Click to expand...

And there will always be cases like that. Just like the places stuck with nt 4 machines. You just remove them of the network as much as possible
 
ChronoDetector said:
why would anyone install XP on a new system is beyond me, it most likely will not even take full advantage of modern hardware.
Click to expand...
I know a few folks who go the other way. They stick with XP, but upgrade hardware. Saving $100+ on the OS helps alot.

I have a laptop with Vista and 2 desktops with XP. Can't afford to upgrade to Win 7 yet. : Plus, it all just works right now.
 
BladeVenom said:
So what Linux distro is everyone recommending for old XP computers? It's not worth putting Win 8, on an old computer.
Click to expand...

Have you tried it windows 8 runs pretty good on older hardware. In my house older machines get windows 8 first due to the increases in performance and boot time, not the other way around.
 
rudy said:
Have you tried it windows 8 runs pretty good on older hardware. In my house older machines get windows 8 first due to the increases in performance and boot time, not the other way around.
Click to expand...

One redeeming quality of Windows 8.x is that it doesn't take a lot of hardware to run well, Windows 8 tablets are roughly the compute equivalent of upper-end smart phones. 8.1 squeezes just a little bit more out of performance from my unscientific observation, the 8.1 upgrade did breath a nice bit of performance into my Samsung Ativ 500T Clover Trail tablet. The bigger issue for older hardware will be driver support but often Windows 7 drivers will work.
 
rudy said:
Have you tried it windows 8 runs pretty good on older hardware. In my house older machines get windows 8 first due to the increases in performance and boot time, not the other way around.
Click to expand...

It's just not worth $100 to put Win 8 on an old XP era computer, when new computers start at $300. A computer that old isn't even worth $100.
 
Wrecked Em said:
It's funny that someone would actually believe that an HP machine built in the days of XP would still be operational today.
Click to expand...

Funny, a few days ago I saw a HP Vectra VL running Win98, it was still chugging right along. I took a pic...

HP_Win98.jpg
 
pxc said:
Many companies have already been ignoring XP when it comes to driver support in new products. A few of Intel's SoCs from a year ago have lacked XP support.
Click to expand...

We just upgraded some of a data gathering computers with Windows 7 from XP, 2 computers cost $15k to upgrade (not replace, still the same computers, just replacing the grabber hardware and updating software because the old version didn't support Windows 7 and the new version did).

The new version of the software has 90% of the same bugs the old one did and a few extra ones as well. To their credit, they fixed a few bugs in the update... though frankly those bugs should never have been there in the first place.

Expensive upgrade for not a lot of gain, can definitely see why companies hang on to XP as long as possible.
 
When all the old XP machines start developing some raging virus and the news reports it simply as a Windows issue, Microsoft will have to fix it. One of the issues of whoring the Windows name for 20 years.
 
I run XP on my LGA 775 system and, at this point, see no reason to upgrade for what I use it for. The only games I play are many years old. I guess at some point I'll have to make the switch, but not right now for me.
 
BladeVenom said:
So what Linux distro is everyone recommending for old XP computers? It's not worth putting Win 8, on an old computer.
Click to expand...

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS still gets updates and works really well on older hardware. I won't put Win7 on a machine with less than 2GB of RAM. I just put Ubuntu (using Unity) for a older couple's virus ridden Win7 laptop. I don't like Unity, but the big buttons on the left are perfect for less savvy users.
 
Big issue for some is programs and device drivers still arnt windows 7 compatable. I'm a PLC electrician, my programmers software still doesn't work right in win 7, the actual programing software works but the drivers for some of the computer to PLC interface devices doesn't so they need to have a windows xp VM for their jobs.
 
We are stuck on XP for most users machines because we are stuck on Acrobat 6 Standard. The users use Acrobat to edit PDF's all day and at $300/ea that is a $5K bill we just can't justify yet. We need to upgrade hardware too, most users are on Dell GX280 and GX620 machines (P4, 2GB ram). Sad we have users forced to use 9+ year old machines.

The worst part is we have a ton of Windows 7 licenses ready to go.
 
There are a lot of good PDF editing tools out there that run substantially less than $300 per copy and have got to better that Acrobat 6.
 
TType85 said:
We are stuck on XP for most users machines because we are stuck on Acrobat 6 Standard. The users use Acrobat to edit PDF's all day and at $300/ea that is a $5K bill we just can't justify yet. We need to upgrade hardware too, most users are on Dell GX280 and GX620 machines (P4, 2GB ram). Sad we have users forced to use 9+ year old machines.

The worst part is we have a ton of Windows 7 licenses ready to go.
Click to expand...

Ahhh, the cost of doing business that most businesses just don't get. Try Nuance, 1/4th the list cost of Acrobat. Our entire law firm switched from Acrobat to Nuance.
 
QHalo said:
Ahhh, the cost of doing business that most businesses just don't get. Try Nuance, 1/4th the list cost of Acrobat. Our entire law firm switched from Acrobat to Nuance.
Click to expand...

Thanks! I'll check them out.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top