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Intel Haswell-E Core i7-5960X CPU & X99 Chipset @ [H]

So would these extra cores/threads significantly reduce the time it takes for the computer to process turns in 4X games and TBS games?

With my current setup of a 3930K @ 4.6 (rest listed in signature), the computer can take a good 15-30 seconds to process the end of turn actions during the later stages of a large Civ V game. Improvement on that front would be more valuable than an incremental boost in frame rates.

Separate point: Won't there be potential overheating issues for many M2 drives by having them directly under an overclocked GPU card?

Another M2 Point: Once more boards are offering 3+ PCIe3 based M2 slots, could this not have a real impact on tri or quad GPU rigs running 3x 4K screens?
 
umm if they are keeping the 2011 socket... this is basically a faster 1055 cpu with ddr4 the odds are good there will be a workstation/server variation that takes advantage of the more lanes and faster controller, and eec support, since the x99 was designed with the limitations of the 1055 chipsets and less pins... but I'm just speculating since we have not heard anything about them keeping the 2011 and they have dumped sockets in the past with no warning... Though if they have a new 2011 and they started with the lower bin numbers they could be hitting a wall with the larger dies...
 
geok1ng said:
I am still at odds with integer performance of this CPU, which took a bashing from DDR3 based E5-2678w on the metric most relevant to my usage scenario:

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and thats why you cant compare a [H] review with Toms.. the E5-2678W its higher clocked than the 5960X so 3.2ghz vs 3.8ghz,under heavy load.. that remember me why i never liked the Toms review..

drakken said:
umm if they are keeping the 2011 socket... this is basically a faster 1055 cpu with ddr4 the odds are good there will be a workstation/server variation that takes advantage of the more lanes and faster controller, and eec support, since the x99 was designed with the limitations of the 1055 chipsets and less pins... but I'm just speculating since we have not heard anything about them keeping the 2011 and they have dumped sockets in the past with no warning... Though if they have a new 2011 and they started with the lower bin numbers they could be hitting a wall with the larger dies...
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its socket 2011-v3 and is electrically different than regular socket 2011 they arent compatible.. IDK where you can find a socket 1055 :rolleyes:.. its haswell so yes its a bigger 1150 chip.. and as curiosity what or where are the limitations of the "1055" chipsets in x99?...
 
Yes, us members of the socket 1366 club quickly remember how fast they discontinued use of said socket. ;)

I wonder of this x99 will hang around.
 
Damn! That 5820 looks mighty tasty at $389 even with only 26 lanes. Can't wait to see it overclocked.
 
I'll have a very hard time convincing myself to buy one of these CPUs. To buy one feels to me like rewarding Intel for screwing us over for the last 34 months. The only reason why this CPU has even been released now is so Intel can sell the Xeon leftovers that they can no longer get a king's ransom for as Xeons because 8-core Xeons have been out forever (and demand for them has diminished). So they unlock it, neuter off the Xeon features like ECC and throw it to us like a glutton throwing unwanted leftovers to his dog. And then seem to expect our undying love and affection.:rolleyes:
 
An unlocked Xeon with ECC would be the holy grail for workstations for me.

Tons of DDR4 ECC and an OC'd cpu, hell yea!
 
I'm kinda torn on this one. I'm on an Ivy Bride 3570K now. Been wanting to get something a little beefier so I can do some game streaming and still keep a decent frame rate. But from a performance point it doesn't look like there is really much advantage over a 4970K. Yeah there's DDR4 but all I do is gaming, so I will never use the extra memory bandwidth that comes with DDR4. And then there's the idea of future proofing, as Intel has said that the 2011-E socket will be carried over to the next generation. The 1155 socket's future is in question as far as I know. Haven't seen anything from Intel giving any sort of remaining lifespan.

It's a tough call for those of us who game at 1080P. I could probably make do with what I have, but damn that shiny new hardware just looks so sexy! But it's also super expensive. I could get similar performance from a 4790K build for less than $500, whereas the 5920K and associated parts would be over $1000. I could then take that other $500 and pick up the new GeForce card when it comes out and dump BOTH of my 670s and have a decent performance bump and room to add another vid card down the road.
 
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lutjens said:
I'll have a very hard time convincing myself to buy one of these CPUs. To buy one feels to me like rewarding Intel for screwing us over for the last 34 months. The only reason why this CPU has even been released now is so Intel can sell the Xeon leftovers that they can no longer get a king's ransom for as Xeons because 8-core Xeons have been out forever (and demand for them has diminished). So they unlock it, neuter off the Xeon features like ECC and throw it to us like a glutton throwing unwanted leftovers to his dog. And then seem to expect our undying love and affection.:rolleyes:
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34 months? (Sorry in advance to the mods for the language), but what the fuck are you talking about? 34 months ago you'd be spending $2k to get 8 cores. 24 months ago the BEST Jaketown cpu you could get was only 8 cores. And you still consider getting "screwed over" Intel not selling a $4k part to you for $1k? Give me a break dude. If you want the best then PAY for the best.

And judging by your sig rig, you don't really need the performance anyways or else you'd have a Xeon V2 and are just making noise.
 
This gave me a HUGE laugh when I read this comment over at PCPER..

August 29, 2014 | 02:52 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)
AMD 5GHz 8-core CPU: $269.99
Intel 3GHz 8-core CPU: $999

Cheapest AM3+ motherboard: $24.99
Cheapest 2011 motherboard: $228.79

AMD DDR3 16GB RAM cheapest: $149.99
Intel DDR4 16GB RAM cheapest: $199.99

Save $1000 and go with AMD.
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No point mentioning all the ways this post is nutzo!! But I appreciated the laugh!!

The i7-5820K REALLY interests me as I am assuming it should be very close in performance to the i7-4960X but at 40% the cost (28 lanes is enough for me)

Gordon at MaximumPC.com did all his DDR3 and DDR4 testing using memory set at 2133 and, although Haswell-E was a lot faster than Devil's Canyon on the Sisoft Sandra Memory Bandwidth (GB/s)..

we expected Haswell-E to be on par with the Ivy Bridge-E chip, but oddly, it was slower.. we expected it to be closer to double of what the Ivy Bridge-E was producing. For what it’s worth, we did double-check that we were operating in quad-channel mode and the clock speeds of our DIMMs. It’s possible this may change as the hardware we see becomes more final. We’ll also note that even at the same clock, DDR4 does suffer a latency penalty over DDR3. That would also be missing the point of DDR4, though. The new memory should give us larger modules and hit higher frequencies far easier, too, which will nullify that latency issue
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And as Kyle showed on his Sandra tests, seems like DDR4 speeds need to be a lot higher than DDR3 speeds to overcome this "latency issue". Might be wise to pony up for the fastest DDR4 your wife and wallet will allow!! Apparently 3000MHz DDR4 is already in the wild according to Gordon.. and Kyle says 3300MHz next week!! Plan on robbing a bank to pay for that!!

Just occurred to me.. this is one of those RARE times which a new CPU, new chipset and new type of RAM all come out at the same time!! We should savor the moment.. and do the aforementioned "rob a bank"!!
 
GoodBoy said:
I've been exclusively ASUS for 10 years or more (Since nForce 2 chipset) I am still happy with my 920@3.6ghz/x58 which is 5.5 years old, but once this platform has been out a few months I am going to jump in. My old second pc died so it's time to trickle down.
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It's like this release was catered just for US!! I've also stuck with mostly Asus (A7N8X Deluxe!) as well with few issues to speak of.
Really though I will attempt to hold out a few months. Maybe DDR4 will drop in price a tad as some higher frequency chips come to market...but I doubt it. I just pray to god that prices won't go up for any reason as they did after I purchased DDR3 with my X58 which stopped me from going past 6Gb for a while.

Thanks a million [H] for this! I look forward to learning from the community experiences here to help guide my thinning wallet into 5xx0k purchases!
 
Great review, thanks Kyle.

I am ready to ditch my X79 platform and pick up X99 and probably the 5930k (I need the 40 lanes for 4 Titans). I haven't decided whether to blow the extra 400 bucks for the L3 cache though.
 
I purchased the 5960x and 16gb of Corsair ram from Fry's earlier today. Sadly, they had no X99 boards. Thank god for Amazon Prime. Ordered an Asus Rampage, and it will be here tomorrow. Looking forward to using this CPU in Maya3D and After Effects.
 
drakken said:
umm if they are keeping the 2011 socket... this is basically a faster 1055 cpu with ddr4 the odds are good there will be a workstation/server variation that takes advantage of the more lanes and faster controller, and eec support, since the x99 was designed with the limitations of the 1055 chipsets and less pins... but I'm just speculating since we have not heard anything about them keeping the 2011 and they have dumped sockets in the past with no warning... Though if they have a new 2011 and they started with the lower bin numbers they could be hitting a wall with the larger dies...
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Xeon E5-2699 v3 - 18 cores in a single socket, compatible with X99
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon E5-2699 v3.html
 
Curious to what DDR4 quad channel ramdisk benchies look like. Haven't found anything online yet.

Should also be a nice speedup for our RAPID enabled EVO drives.
 
For a user like myself, tv tropes would call this Awesome, But Impractical. It doesn't prevent me from wishing I could afford and purchase one just because, however. :D

Great review, as always
 
I would love to see some Folding@home benchmarks :D

5820k would make a very nice entry level folding rig I'm guessing.


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Kyle is right. I'm one of those X58 LGA1366 guys that will finally be building a new machine, now that X99 has shown up. Been waiting a long time for this, actually.
 
"Of course, get ready to throw your cash first! And I will bet that your LGA 1366 guys that have been hanging on will be some of the first with your wallets out."

Pretty much. Fortunately this time around it won't hurt so much as when our currency was worth half yours. Back in Jan/Feb 2009 an i7-965 was $2240(NZD).
 
Still not enough of a reason to upgrade from my X58 & 970. Best CPU I've ever purchased. Guess I'll be waiting for Skylake. :( It is a beast if you're upgrading from a quad core rig though, of course depending on what you use it for..
 
I am not jumping from x58 as one needs a balance of gaming and workload .. we got our hands on 6 core Xeons now at dirt cheap prices and I know Kyle couldn't show the latest trend of what x58 users are doing in his benchmarks but i'm sure a X5650/60/70 at 4.5Ghz would be eye opening for the price tag..

but to give you an idea here is a firestrike score with my X5660 and max turbo clock of 4070Mhz with a Physics Score of 13308

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2642849
 
to give you an idea of what performance could you expect in firestrike from a 5960X at stock clocks it score 17000 points.. and overclocked to 4.5ghz 21000 points...
 
3.2ghz with turbo enabled under fully threads usage.. and 3.0ghz without turbo..
 
To be honest I was skeptical about H-E, and now it's out I don't care anymore.

It's beast in HT environment but not much else. H-E does not offer performance jump we had between C2D/Q and i7920. I don't run classical benchmarks which tell nothing. If I want to see how good CPU is at gaming I firing up Phoenix Rising mod for Forces of Corruption with GFFA campaign and timing load time.

There is vast gulf between C2D/Q and 920 (60%). But there is no difference whatsoever between old 920 and SB-E/IB-E. I just guessing that H-E will offer no improvements at all. Frankly I would love to get my hands to run BOINC on H-E, but it's far too expensive just to run BOINC. For anything else my trusted 920 plow through anything I can throw at it (and all of that at stock speeds - bored of OC) - video encoding, RAW editing, databases and some gaming. I don't need X99 toys - my 2x Adaptec RAID controllers handling all my RAID needs flawlessly.

Sorry but this member of X58 Owners Club won't budge and I see no point in upgrade (unless I'm forced).
 
Hakuren said:
To be honest I was skeptical about H-E, and now it's out I don't care anymore.

It's beast in HT environment but not much else. H-E does not offer performance jump we had between C2D/Q and i7920. I don't run classical benchmarks which tell nothing. If I want to see how good CPU is at gaming I firing up Phoenix Rising mod for Forces of Corruption with GFFA campaign and timing load time.

There is vast gulf between C2D/Q and 920 (60%). But there is no difference whatsoever between old 920 and SB-E/IB-E. I just guessing that H-E will offer no improvements at all. Frankly I would love to get my hands to run BOINC on H-E, but it's far too expensive just to run BOINC. For anything else my trusted 920 plow through anything I can throw at it (and all of that at stock speeds - bored of OC) - video encoding, RAW editing, databases and some gaming. I don't need X99 toys - my 2x Adaptec RAID controllers handling all my RAID needs flawlessly.

Sorry but this member of X58 Owners Club won't budge and I see no point in upgrade (unless I'm forced).
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comments like this show big big ignorance.. it does not even deserve a reply sadly.:(:(:(
 
imho the best thing about haswell-e is the ability to run [both] a gpu at 16x 3.0 [and] an m.2 ssd at 4x 3.0. worth it for that alone.
 
Hakuren said:
To be honest I was skeptical about H-E, and now it's out I don't care anymore.

It's beast in HT environment but not much else. H-E does not offer performance jump we had between C2D/Q and i7920. I don't run classical benchmarks which tell nothing. If I want to see how good CPU is at gaming I firing up Phoenix Rising mod for Forces of Corruption with GFFA campaign and timing load time.

There is vast gulf between C2D/Q and 920 (60%). But there is no difference whatsoever between old 920 and SB-E/IB-E. I just guessing that H-E will offer no improvements at all. Frankly I would love to get my hands to run BOINC on H-E, but it's far too expensive just to run BOINC. For anything else my trusted 920 plow through anything I can throw at it (and all of that at stock speeds - bored of OC) - video encoding, RAW editing, databases and some gaming. I don't need X99 toys - my 2x Adaptec RAID controllers handling all my RAID needs flawlessly.

Sorry but this member of X58 Owners Club won't budge and I see no point in upgrade (unless I'm forced).
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Kyle has made it quite clear that negative comments regarding the i7-5960X aren't to be posted in this thread...;)
 
chx said:
Can you point me to a benchmark that shows a GPU that is speed limited by PCIe 3.0 x8 or even x4? The latest I can find on the topic http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Impact-of-PCI-E-Speed-on-Gaming-Performance-518/ still says that the difference between 2.0 x8 and 3.0 x16 is negligible.
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less than 1% performance difference, even dual GPU cards will only have a few % performance hit at most from being in a 8x PCI-E 3.0 lane. The difference is there but it's one of the last things that matters if you're building on a budget.

Generally every time we get close to maxxing out the bandwidth of an 8x connection, we get a new PCI-E standard that doubles the bandwidth. :cool: Making sure multi-GPU setups make sense and arn't bottlenecked by mobos = money for nvidia and AMD. We havn't really seen any significant PCI-E bottlenecking going on for generations and I doubt we will.
 
Hakuren said:
To be honest I was skeptical about H-E, and now it's out I don't care anymore.

It's beast in HT environment but not much else. H-E does not offer performance jump we had between C2D/Q and i7920. I don't run classical benchmarks which tell nothing. If I want to see how good CPU is at gaming I firing up Phoenix Rising mod for Forces of Corruption with GFFA campaign and timing load time.

There is vast gulf between C2D/Q and 920 (60%). But there is no difference whatsoever between old 920 and SB-E/IB-E. I just guessing that H-E will offer no improvements at all. Frankly I would love to get my hands to run BOINC on H-E, but it's far too expensive just to run BOINC. For anything else my trusted 920 plow through anything I can throw at it (and all of that at stock speeds - bored of OC) - video encoding, RAW editing, databases and some gaming. I don't need X99 toys - my 2x Adaptec RAID controllers handling all my RAID needs flawlessly.

Sorry but this member of X58 Owners Club won't budge and I see no point in upgrade (unless I'm forced).
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i went from x58 to x79 when it came out and there was a night and day difference.

From all the benchmarks ive seen it looks like ill see that when moving from x79 to x99.
 
EODetroit said:
AMD's best kind of got destroyed by everything.
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Actually, I think I counted three benches in which the 5GHz Vishera edged out Ivy bridge...;) And when you get down to i5 level, AMD FX-6/8xxx is very impressive there from a price/performance standpoint, and the market for i5-priced cpus (and lower) is much larger than for i7s.

I wouldn't personally recommend any of the 9xxx-series, either, because of the voltage/cooling required--I much prefer/recommend a 95W FX-6300 @4.5GHz on stock fan and voltage. When you hit 1920x1200 & up & X-fire/SLI is a factor, the cpu becomes the most insignificant factor in the equation, imo. (None of us games at 640x480 anymore, etc., as Kyle said.)
 
Zomoa said:
less than 1% performance difference, even dual GPU cards will only have a few % performance hit at most from being in a 8x PCI-E 3.0 lane. The difference is there but it's one of the last things that matters if you're building on a budget.

Generally every time we get close to maxxing out the bandwidth of an 8x connection, we get a new PCI-E standard that doubles the bandwidth. :cool: Making sure multi-GPU setups make sense and arn't bottlenecked by mobos = money for nvidia and AMD. We havn't really seen any significant PCI-E bottlenecking going on for generations and I doubt we will.
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It's been this way since AGP. 3dfx tried valiantly to educate the public as to what a backwards step AGP was in comparison with on-board ram throughput, but at the time some of the "pundits" like Anandtech/Sharky refused to be "edumicated" on the subject. It was a nice advertising gimmick but never did anything for 3d gpu game performance--on-board video-ram bus speeds have maintained a constant lead over AGP/PCIe throughput of ~20x or more. That's the whole reason 3d cards have their own pools of ram and don't share it with the cpu--you couldn't game much at all, especially at high resolutions, if you were limited to PCIe3.x throughput to system ram. Games and benchmarks hardly show any difference at all between 2.x and 3.x because the on-board gpu local bus on the card is ~20x+ faster.

It has its place, though. PCIe bandwidth matters most for IGPs and consoles like the PS4 that share memory between the cpu & gpu.
 
surely those features are all on chip, so PCIe bandwidth is utterly irrelevant?
 
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