Intel Has a Problem: Vast majority of Game Crashes come from 13th/14th gen Intel CPU's during Decompression

most people are reporting drops within the margin of error 1-2%. There are a few that are in the 5-10% range. I wonder if those people have CPUs that now require higher than normal voltage to run at peak?
 

Intel issues statement on microcode update that addresses CPU instability and crashing errors — claims patch has negligible performance impacts, future processors not impacted​


https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...ible-performance-impacts-requires-bios-update
I'm glad this helped, but as I mentioned elsewhere they won't be getting any future business from me. I guess them knowing the issue was out there and then being forced to do something about it years later just doesn't sit right with me.
 
If you never flashed a BIOS, you need to wait several minutes before the machine reboots (without touching anything of course).
 

Intel issues statement on microcode update that addresses CPU instability and crashing errors — claims patch has negligible performance impacts, future processors not impacted​


https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...ible-performance-impacts-requires-bios-update
Note that the previously introduced "Intel Default Settings" already cost up to 8-9% on the 14900k, as reported recently by Dutch tech website tweakers.net

Source: https://tweakers.net/reviews/12320/...ocessors-door-de-nieuwe-default-settings.html
 
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Note that the previously introduced "Intel Default Settings" already cost up to 8-9% on the 14900k, as reported recently by Dutch tech website tweakers.net

Source: https://tweakers.net/reviews/12320/...ocessors-door-de-nieuwe-default-settings.html
“A new Beta BIOS has been released for ASUS motherboards that introduces microcode update 0x129 to fix the dreaded Intel 13th and 14th-generation self-immolation problem. The issue is that it seems to shave a lot of performance off of your CPU, in multi-core workloads. Voltages remain somewhat the same but do see a slight decrease overall. And core speeds seem to be less.”
https://www.pcguide.com/news/new-in...f-cinebench-multi-core-score-in-14900k-tests/
 
I'm glad this helped, but as I mentioned elsewhere they won't be getting any future business from me. I guess them knowing the issue was out there and then being forced to do something about it years later just doesn't sit right with me.
It's a sign of deep rooted incompetence or scammer practices in the organization. Something you would expect from your local cheapo business, not a globally operating multi-billion company.
 
“A new Beta BIOS has been released for ASUS motherboards that introduces microcode update 0x129 to fix the dreaded Intel 13th and 14th-generation self-immolation problem. The issue is that it seems to shave a lot of performance off of your CPU, in multi-core workloads. Voltages remain somewhat the same but do see a slight decrease overall. And core speeds seem to be less.”
https://www.pcguide.com/news/new-in...f-cinebench-multi-core-score-in-14900k-tests/
Seems to me like something is wrong with their specific configuration. No one else has reported such a large decrease.

One thing to note I that their voltage seems capped lower than other tests I have seen. Around 1.4 VS. 1.5 or even 1.55 I have seen elsewhere.
 
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Seems to me like something is wrong with their specific configuration. No one else has reported such a large decrease.

One thing to note I that their voltage seems capped lower than other tests I have seen. Around 1.4 VS. 1.5 or even 1.55 I have seen elsewhere.
Also, what's up describing this as a fix for Intel's self-immolating CPUs? The only self-immolating CPUs were AMDs a year ago which have since been fixed.

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updated to the beta bios for Asus z790 Prime P. With my 13700k default score was 29500 in Cinebench and when I added a small undervolt of -.060 in XTU my score went to 30120. I previously had a score of 30300 with a -.070 undervolt on some July bios so I'm right in line with where I was. I never had any previous stability issues so hopefully I'm in the clear. If Intel does release a tool to check degradation I'll check it out but right now I'm not too concerned.
 
updated to the beta bios for Asus z790 Prime P. With my 13700k default score was 29500 in Cinebench and when I added a small undervolt of -.060 in XTU my score went to 30120. I previously had a score of 30300 with a -.070 undervolt on some July bios so I'm right in line with where I was. I never had any previous stability issues so hopefully I'm in the clear. If Intel does release a tool to check degradation I'll check it out but right now I'm not too concerned.
I'm in the same boat with my 13700K.
 
Seems to me like something is wrong with their specific configuration. No one else has reported such a large decrease.

One thing to note I that their voltage seems capped lower than other tests I have seen. Around 1.4 VS. 1.5 or even 1.55 I have seen elsewhere.
"Update: The performance degradation seen in the testing referenced throughout this article appear to be isolated to Asus motherboards, specifically. Testing by JayzTwoCents on YouTube (watch below), using an MSI motherboard and a variety of Intel 14th-gen CPUs, revealed negligible performance changes after installing the 0x129 microcode update. While the performance degradations on Asus motherboards may not have been caused by Intel's microcode, they may have been a side effect of trying to push out a BIOS update quickly to mitigate further CPU damage. Thanks to our astute readers for pointing this out." https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...with-23-loss-in-some-benchmarks.873898.0.html
 
"Update: The performance degradation seen in the testing referenced throughout this article appear to be isolated to Asus motherboards, specifically. Testing by JayzTwoCents on YouTube (watch below), using an MSI motherboard and a variety of Intel 14th-gen CPUs, revealed negligible performance changes after installing the 0x129 microcode update. While the performance degradations on Asus motherboards may not have been caused by Intel's microcode, they may have been a side effect of trying to push out a BIOS update quickly to mitigate further CPU damage. Thanks to our astute readers for pointing this out." https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...with-23-loss-in-some-benchmarks.873898.0.html
no performance loss here with Asus board. I wonder if these tested CPUs are already damaged and it's affecting the performance with lower voltages. My Asus board is on the lower end of the scale so maybe it's isolated to the gamer type overclock centric boards.
 
no performance loss here with Asus board. I wonder if these tested CPUs are already damaged and it's affecting the performance with lower voltages. My Asus board is on the lower end of the scale so maybe it's isolated to the gamer type overclock centric boards.
I guess if your CPU is already damaged the bios microcode fix cannot resolve that ?

Check below thread. Without the fix, the cores start failing one by one due to excess voltage on the most performant core

https://x.com/softminus/status/1821810761846681846
 
The patch looks good. Or decent at least. But only time will tell if that's enough.
 
Correct if you were having random blue screens... microcode doesn't fix your CPU. Is already cooked. RMA and cross your fingers Intel is kind.
Intels not who I’m worried about it’s the Asus, Acer, MSI system builds out there I’m worried about. Will they extend their 90 day and 1 year system warranties for their pre builds??
 
That’s good but not what I mean, dealing with most of their support lines is painful at the best of times for simple obvious things.
I pity the poor non tech savvy bastards who need to call those 1800 numbers for this because they are going to give up half way through and buy a new machine of a different brand. And the OEM’s know it.

Or they will hire somebody to fix their PC because it keeps crashing and then they are paying somebody else sit on hold and deal with it.

I can already imagine those conversations.
Good news Acer will cover the parts under warranty, now your bill comes to $200 for labour. But you said it was covered by warranty…
Karen’s gone wild, Intel Edition!
 
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Turning off "Intel Default Settings" with Microcode 0x129 DISABLES THE VID/VCORE LIMIT​



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvJAHhQKZg

Not necessarily universal. May only be a Gigabyte thing.

Additionally, as he points out, Gigabyte tries to do a sort of undervolt via the loadline. They have recently marketed being able to disable CEP on 14th gen locked CPUs, even on B760 boards, to achieve lower temps. And that undervolted loadline is probably the main setting they change (along with disabling CEP), to achieve that.
 
i just did the beta firmware asus put out for my ASUS ROG Strix Z690-E and i noticed it was noted for only NON-K? shouldnt it fix all 13/14 gens?
guess ill have to keep an eye out..for the K support BIOS
 

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What I wonder is if these voltage decreases are merely to extend the life of the processor beyond a year versus bringing it down to what it should be. Basically is Intel turning a 1 year CPU into a 2.5 year CPU in order to maintain performance? I reached out to a friend who had a 14900K, after a couple of months it started to experience crashes, etc to let him know of the issue, but looking at the voltage some of the reductions are minimal. So did Intel test to bring the processor merely to a point where the problem wouldn't be so obvious, this saving money in the process?
 
To me they are trying squeeze more life out of the problematic CPUs with the least impact to performance. If they truly run safe voltages then you likely have a performance hit that opens Intel up for some additional law suits for false advertising. If I had a 13th or 14th gen cpu I’d limit it to something like 1.35v like the old days when anything over 1.4v was pushing it for daily use. Doing this you end up with a bunch of i9s only doing 5.2Ghz or so and that is way off compared to the numbers on the box.
 
What I wonder is if these voltage decreases are merely to extend the life of the processor beyond a year versus bringing it down to what it should be. Basically is Intel turning a 1 year CPU into a 2.5 year CPU in order to maintain performance? I reached out to a friend who had a 14900K, after a couple of months it started to experience crashes, etc to let him know of the issue, but looking at the voltage some of the reductions are minimal. So did Intel test to bring the processor merely to a point where the problem wouldn't be so obvious, this saving money in the process?
If there is damage already (1 or more cores crashing/malfunctioning etc.) then best bet is to RMA

If there is no damage then new microcode should impact the single core max boost. That is basically bragging rights. I don't see any real loss in impacting single core max boost
 
Anyone else getting jacked around with their RMA? They acknowledged receiving my CPU on Aug 5th and said it would take 1 to 3 days to validate. After 4 days I sent them an email and they replied next day saying they would escalate it to upper management and I would receive reply in 1 to 2 days. Well 3 days later and still nothing back.
 
Anyone else getting jacked around with their RMA? They acknowledged receiving my CPU on Aug 5th and said it would take 1 to 3 days to validate. After 4 days I sent them an email and they replied next day saying they would escalate it to upper management and I would receive reply in 1 to 2 days. Well 3 days later and still nothing back.
taking the weekend out, you should hear back tomorrow.
 
I am sending back the 12900KS I picked up as an emergency, knee jerk, reaction. I am gonna ride this POS out and see how much mileage I can squeeze out of it. Still works, but I know where and why it was crashing now. Just won't run it balls to the walls anymore.
 
taking the weekend out, you should hear back tomorrow.
Today is the second business day as they sent me that reply on the weekend. It should have been resolved on last Thursday at the latest anyway.
 
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