Intel Core i7-9700K Review Posted Online

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The Intel Core i7-9700K has been reviewed by the website El Chapuzas Informatico. This Intel CPU doesn't have HyperThreading, so it has to rely on 8C/8T. According to the article it has a base speed of 3.60GHz and turbos to an all core speed of 4.60GHz, with a single core speed of 4.90GHz. The TDP is listed as 95W and Intel HD Graphics 630 are onboard the 14 nm chip. After glancing over the benchmarks and taking into account the leaked $510 price, it seems to be a slight upgrade over the i7-8700K for a premium price. Of course this all a rumor for now.

On consumption , for the complete equipment , say that varies between 160W to 1.2V to 240W with the voltage in automatic, so we will see large differences depending on the motherboard used. Finally, we need to talk about its ability to overclocking , which has been noticeably lower in this unit than in others that we have seen filtered on the network. With 1.4V fixed in BIOS, although it appears 1.3V in CPU-Z, we have managed to reach 5.00 GHz , a really not insignificant figure, more for a total of 8 cores. Regarding the published filtration, if it were real, we could be facing a 'black leg' silicon (CPU selected by hand knowing that it is better).
 

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It doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over the 8700.

Well, two more cores, but no hyperthreading.

In well threaded applications HT generallly provides - what - 20% improvement over no hyperthreading?, so we are talking about a 7.2 core machine vs an 8 core machine now right? So that's a small improvement.

But it also does this without some of the negative sidefects HT can have on poorly written software, so that's an improvement. I'll take physical cores over logical cores any day.

Seems like turbo clocks are a little bit better too, but the price also seems a bit high.

(That said, I spent $600 on an i7-3930k in 2011...)
 

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If that leaked price is true than the msrp has gone up $150. I I wonder if it’s near $200 premium over the 2700x is worth it or will it be 5-10% differences that are only noticeable on synthetic benchmarks.
In the article it said $440 euros which comes out to $510 according to Google. :)
 

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In the article it said $440 euros which comes out to $510 according to Google. :)
That may be true, but pricing in europe tends to be higher than in the U.S. for some reason, so there's more to it than just computing the exchage rate. (Unless that is what was done to come up with the euro price in the first place)
 

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In the article it said $440 euros which comes out to $510 according to Google. :)
You have to be kidding me, you can't do direct conversions for pricing, you need to compare pricing with the previous generation to get a better idea of the price increase and even than it'll most likely be off somewhat.

They show the price of the i7-8700k at 419 euros in their review of it: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2017/09/precio-core-i7-8700k-core-i5-8600k-core-i3-8350k/
 

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You have to be kidding me, you can't do direct conversions for pricing, you need to compare pricing with the previous generation to get a better idea of the price increase and even than it'll most likely be off somewhat.

They show the price of the i7-8700k at 419 euros in their review of it: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2017/09/precio-core-i7-8700k-core-i5-8600k-core-i3-8350k/
I don't live in Europe. Never been or wanted to go. I know when I order stuff from Europe there is a conversion to find the amount in USD. I did that. Intel should have sent a pricing sheet out then there wouldn't have been a discrepancy.
 

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Man, now you hurt my feelings :cry:
Don't feel too bad–Europe is a nice place to visit...I wouldn't want to live there either, though. Maybe Japan, but then I'd need to learn some japanese and have a unique skill that I can use to earn a living there.
 

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I don't live in Europe. Never been or wanted to go. I know when I order stuff from Europe there is a conversion to find the amount in USD. I did that. Intel should have sent a pricing sheet out then there wouldn't have been a discrepancy.
When you order from Europe, they take the VAT off of the retail price when delivering to the US. In Spain, VAT is 21%, divide by 1.21 and then do the conversion to USD and that's what it will cost you to have it delivered from Amazon.es. And that will still most likely be higher than US MSRP.
 

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Still a rumor - though this site wasn't far off the mark with the 2700X leaks before, so maybe there's something to it. If they are right, the 9700k looks like a small upgrade over the 8700k. Nothing to write home about. Nothing that would change the balance much right now.

It's the 9900k that could do that.
 

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Still a rumor - though this site wasn't far off the mark with the 2700X leaks before, so maybe there's something to it. If they are right, the 9700k looks like a small upgrade over the 8700k. Nothing to write home about. Nothing that would change the balance much right now.

It's the 9900k that could do that.
Yeah, the 9700k is probably meant for people looking to upgrade from less performant chips or building a new PC, and will probably replace the 8700k in the lineup, naturally.
 
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Don't feel too bad–Europe is a nice place to visit...I wouldn't want to live there either, though. Maybe Japan, but then I'd need to learn some japanese and have a unique skill that I can use to earn a living there.
Can you suck the chrome off a trailer hitch? :)
 

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Why, oh why, are they putting an Intel HD 630 GPU on a premium 95w chip? The people who buy this chip are not planning on a budget build, it's not going into laptops, and there are cheaper, lower power chips that are better for an HTPC. They could strip out the onboard graphics and give me some of the X-seriies PCIe lanes, I'd give that a look.

I like that they dumped hyperthreading. I've never been impressed by hyperthreading, it always seemed like a cheap sauce. I know they removed it as part of their emergency repairs for Spectre/Meltdown, but I'm not going to miss it if it doesn't come back.

Unrelated to the 9700K -
Man, now you hurt my feelings :cry:
Don't feel too bad–Europe is a nice place to visit...I wouldn't want to live there either, though.
Americans don't travel overseas enough. And it's not enough to go someplace on vacation, you don't get to know a place until you spent some time. When I was 18 the Army sent me to Germany. When I got there I was an American asshole, and when I left there I was still an asshole, but somewhere in between coming and going Germany became close to me.
 

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Americans don't travel overseas enough. And it's not enough to go someplace on vacation, you don't get to know a place until you spent some time. When I was 18 the Army sent me to Germany. When I got there I was an American asshole, and when I left there I was still an asshole, but somewhere in between coming and going Germany became close to me.
Yep, huge difference visiting a place for two weeks and living in the culture for several years. Thanks to the Air Force I’ve spent 15 years overseas And enjoyed every moment of it. Just hope the next location is Germany can get a lot more travel over there than where I am now.
 

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but wait... why would anyone put an i3 or Pentium onto a $200 Z370 or Z390 mobo hoping to upgrade within a year...
You could use an H110 (or similar) motherboard (supports celeron up to i7-8700k)...but you'd probably want to replace that too even if you didn't need to, once you were able.

As for why, your guess is as good as mine. lol
 

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so 9700k will be like $399 msrp
9900k will be like $469~$479 msrp if that's the case
 

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Depending on the benchmarks, (And the price) My upcoming build will be a 9900K. (y)
 

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Well, two more cores, but no hyperthreading.

In well threaded applications HT generallly provides - what - 20% improvement over no hyperthreading?, so we are talking about a 7.2 core machine vs an 8 core machine now right? So that's a small improvement.

But it also does this without some of the negative sidefects HT can have on poorly written software, so that's an improvement. I'll take physical cores over logical cores any day.

Seems like turbo clocks are a little bit better too, but the price also seems a bit high.

(That said, I spent $600 on an i7-3930k in 2011...)
Stop that. That's not how it works. HT is just another CPU-wired mechanism for handling resources and dealing with resource contention within the executing pipeline. HT doesn't work on everything and that fact has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the software. This has everything to do resource contention management mechanism and there is no best approach for every scenario etc.
 

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I'd like to make a 9900k my next chip also but are they going to be speculative execution fixed in hardware?

It's a hard pill to swallow paying around $500 for a CPU you know has issues that will need patching.

If HT is going to fade away or be patched out someday the 9700k is a much safer bet.
 

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That may be true, but pricing in europe tends to be higher than in the U.S. for some reason, so there's more to it than just computing the exchage rate. (Unless that is what was done to come up with the euro price in the first place)
Yeah you would get some strange things e.g. the new 4K HDR monitors are 2600€ over here in Belgium VS 2000$, if you do a straight exange rate conversion that would be 3000$ but if you convert 2000$ to € you get 1725€ to which you should add 21% VAT which would amount to around 2087€ still far from our store prices.
 

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I'd like to make a 9900k my next chip also but are they going to be speculative execution fixed in hardware?

It's a hard pill to swallow paying around $500 for a CPU you know has issues that will need patching.

If HT is going to fade away or be patched out someday the 9700k is a much safer bet.
From my understanding/reading online, no. The silicon fix is still a year or two away. Might be wrong but I think Cascadelake has the fix and is expected next year for server and 2020 for desktop?
 
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You're going to have to overclock the nuts off that thing to break even with all the patched applied to it.

The Intel Core i7-9700K has been reviewed by the website El Chapuzas Informatico. This Intel CPU doesn't have HyperThreading, so it has to rely on 8C/8T. According to the article it has a base speed of 3.60GHz and turbos to an all core speed of 4.60GHz, with a single core speed of 4.90GHz. The TDP is listed as 95W and Intel HD Graphics 630 are onboard the 14 nm chip. After glancing over the benchmarks and taking into account the leaked $510 price, it seems to be a slight upgrade over the i7-8700K for a premium price. Of course this all a rumor for now.

On consumption , for the complete equipment , say that varies between 160W to 1.2V to 240W with the voltage in automatic, so we will see large differences depending on the motherboard used. Finally, we need to talk about its ability to overclocking , which has been noticeably lower in this unit than in others that we have seen filtered on the network. With 1.4V fixed in BIOS, although it appears 1.3V in CPU-Z, we have managed to reach 5.00 GHz , a really not insignificant figure, more for a total of 8 cores. Regarding the published filtration, if it were real, we could be facing a 'black leg' silicon (CPU selected by hand knowing that it is better).
 

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It doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over the 8700.

Yeah, there would be zero reason to upgrade to the 9700 from the 8700K especially if you're running 4.7 - 5.3ghz .... OR .... if you're getting into PC gaming. I've noticed a lot of guys trying to get gaming PC's for their consoles / games off craigslist.

From all the surveys I've seen, all the interest is in the 9900K. Hopefully it's around $400 to $450.

They are saying that with Ray Tracing, the more cores, the better ( game engine depending ) I know EA says that the Frost engine likes more cores especially with RT. If I read that correctly.

I also think that with the 9900K and especially if I can get mine to 5ghz stable, 8 Cores, 16 Treads. It will be my last cpu upgrade for at least a few years which sounds great to me!
 

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but wait... why would anyone put an i3 or Pentium onto a $200 Z370 or Z390 mobo hoping to upgrade within a year...
The same kind of person who buys a LGA 2066 and throws in a i5-7640X or i7-7740X.

I'm pretty sure Intel has some internal codename for these kinds of people.
 

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Let me guess, another 1-3% IPC improvement, which nobody can prove? All those nasty security bugs still built in to the silicon?

Intel, it's time to drain those lakes. Move on, build a new architecture for fuck sake. Unless you've forgotten how to do that, which I suppose is a real possibility with you these days.
 

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Wait, the 9900K still has hyperthreading??!? WTF, am I the last person to know this? I thought they were chopping that shit out of everything.


P.S. I really did, I haven't been reading the tea leaves as much as I used to. You lose interest in reading the pro-geek articles when you can't splurge on new gear every year.

P.P.S. Hyperthreading eats balls.
 

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Looks pretty sad to me. Intel has dropped the ball on their last 3 HEDT generations, and now 4 generations of mainstream desktop chips. They've let the marketers and accountants run the company, and now they're paying the price.
 
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Yeah, there would be zero reason to upgrade to the 9700 from the 8700K especially if you're running 4.7 - 5.3ghz .... OR .... if you're getting into PC gaming. I've noticed a lot of guys trying to get gaming PC's for their consoles / games off craigslist.

From all the surveys I've seen, all the interest is in the 9900K. Hopefully it's around $400 to $450.

They are saying that with Ray Tracing, the more cores, the better ( game engine depending ) I know EA says that the Frost engine likes more cores especially with RT. If I read that correctly.

I also think that with the 9900K and especially if I can get mine to 5ghz stable, 8 Cores, 16 Treads. It will be my last cpu upgrade for at least a few years which sounds great to me!
I would consider the 9900k also if it was less than $450 given that we wouldn't have to buy a new board and that would be my last cpu upgrade for a few years as well.
 

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Man, that is an expensive Step up for the next gen CPUs. The performance is better, but that much more? sheesh
 

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Why, oh why, are they putting an Intel HD 630 GPU on a premium 95w chip? The people who buy this chip are not planning on a budget build, it's not going into laptops, and there are cheaper, lower power chips that are better for an HTPC. They could strip out the onboard graphics and give me some of the X-seriies PCIe lanes, I'd give that a look.

I like that they dumped hyperthreading. I've never been impressed by hyperthreading, it always seemed like a cheap sauce. I know they removed it as part of their emergency repairs for Spectre/Meltdown, but I'm not going to miss it if it doesn't come back.

Unrelated to the 9700K -



Americans don't travel overseas enough. And it's not enough to go someplace on vacation, you don't get to know a place until you spent some time. When I was 18 the Army sent me to Germany. When I got there I was an American asshole, and when I left there I was still an asshole, but somewhere in between coming and going Germany became close to me.
Because gamers aren't the entire market. I know lots of developers who want many fast cores to compile, but don't want to to have to buy a GPU.
 

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but wait... why would anyone put an i3 or Pentium onto a $200 Z370 or Z390 mobo hoping to upgrade within a year...
Because some people just need "any" basic cpu & want to build something that is i/o intensive & not cpu intensive...? Or want the features but don't care about the cpu...
 
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While I love doing new builds, especially during winter time which is almost upon us here in the USA and we have more indoor time - I don't think I'm going to be switching back to an intel build until they fix or patch the CPU for the Spectre / Meltdown flaws. No way to measure performance if we don't know what the patches will do to it.

The last few builds I've done (for fun, for gaming, for boredom) have been all AMD (1700, 2400G and 2700x) and while they might not be faster in synthetics, there's been nothing noticeably "eyeball" faster to me (<- in my apps and in my use-cases). That's usually dependent on other subsystems anyway (graphics or storage).

Eh, Sorry intel, maybe in 2020+ or whenever the new re-designed architecture hits the market.
 
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