Intel Alder Lake iGPU performance? 12600k (UHD 770) vs 5700g (Vega 8)

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Have not seen much in the way of iGPU performance except for this YouTube comparison of some 30 games:



Cost of 12600k is $320 on Newegg:
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-12600k-core-i5-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118347

Cost of the 5700g is $329 and $319 with current promo code:
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-ryzen-7-5000-g-series/p/N82E16819113682

12600k being 6p + 4e cores while the 5700g has 8 cores, both are 16 thread CPUs. AMD is a 65w processor while Intel is 125w!

For a non discrete GPU setup the 5700g looks very strong. What is more important is later when AMD releases Rembrandt which has RNDA2, while I think it will mostly will be used in mobile due to the shortages plaguing chips. Anyway for APUs, it looks like Vega graphics is still king on the PC, kinda sad due to the technical advances since Vega, it is what it is.
 

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let's be real. you're not gonna game on either chip.

i went with intel this time because it is more future proof.

if AMD included navi, i woulda bought amd.

i wish intel coulda put a beefier gpu into this chip like the upcoming H chips.
 
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I'm surprised they didn't go with faster ram on the 5700G and 5600G. I suppose the point was proved though. No, these aren't gamer CPU/GPU's, but, it's nice to know you could if you wanted to, and at least in APU ballpark, AMD has the advantage.
I have a 5700G, and I do game with it as well as work. 65 watt, cool, powerful and has some iGPU balls.

Why they included an iGPU with the Intels? They serve best with a dedicated GPU. Maybe bring that CPU down from 125 watts perhaps. I'm interested in a 12600k, but man, sff on air? Nah...
 
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Why they included an iGPU with the Intels? They serve best with a dedicated GPU. Maybe bring that CPU down from 125 watts perhaps. I'm interested in a 12600k, but man, sff on air? Nah...
The good proportion of desktop (before the pandemy) where without an dGPU having a capable for desktop operation with 3 output gpu is quite nice and enough for a lot of people.

The much better but not enough to play big game is way more niche (but I could see still popular with the GPU being rare and the popularity of low resource title).
 
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The good proportion of desktop (before the pandemy) where without an dGPU having a capable for desktop operation with 3 output gpu is quite nice and enough for a lot of people.

The much better but not enough to play big game is way more niche (but I could see still popular with the GPU being rare and the popularity of low resource title).
Thinking the same way, APUs do give an option for a new machine or build without trying to get an overpriced GPU. I was surprised at the FPS of the 5700g, like in GTA V at 1080p Normal settings. I can only imagine the jump that RNDA2 can bring with Rembrandt, unfortunately that for the desktop maybe far and inbetween. Very disappointed with Intel iGPU, their mobile versions have way more cores and more useful, their desktop line is definitely lacking for any kind of game performance making a discrete GPU pretty much mandatory except for the lowest quality of modern game play. How much Infinity Cache will Rembrandt provide? I am thinking RX 580+ performance potential from Rembrandt if AMD lets loose.
 

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This is timely. I just spent some serious time figuring out what is possible on the 5700G. You can get the CPU for $330, and 16GB of DDR4 4133 for $89. Put it on a decent MB like the ASUS TUF B550 series for ~$150 depending on board... slap on a $20 tower cooler for silence and extra cooling.

You can push the ram to 4400 and FCLK to 2200. GPU clock to 2400.

Set the RAM to 1.49v

depending on whether you go all the way to the limit or not, you may have to manually set your CPU, SoC and GPU voltage to 1.29 and just lock it there.

You'll notice a small problem at the top end of the overclock using CPU and SoC voltage offsets and maintaining both sane voltages and stability. You can still use offsets barely at or just below these settings if you want to maintain automatic voltage reduction under low loads.

It's not such a big deal to just lock them compared to any other CPU I've overclocked... the CPU still throttles speed and is very low power draw anyway.

Then just reduce the CAS latency as far as it can go and still be stable.

End result is approx 30% +/- (depends greatly on which benchmark or game) higher iGPU performance than stock BIOS defaults (this is massive), and you're still only pulling around 100w on the CPU in total and only under very heavy loads.

The performance is always above a GT 1030 and sometimes approaches a GTX 1050.

Superposition benchmark at 1080p medium will show a GT 1030 at about 2500, the 5700G at 3400 and GTX 1050 OC at 4500.

Superposition at 720p low is approx 9700.

Since a GT 1030 card is minimum $120 and a 1050 used is $200+... you're getting a pretty darn good value in graphics performance built into that 8 core CPU.

It has a good chance of being a very long lived set of hardware that will be useful for something for a decade or so.

Rocket League was actually playable at 1440p... and on low settings 1080p was playable competitively.
 
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so the rdna2 apus are not coming out till summer/fall 2022 ?

that's gonna be a long wait.
 

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Which is why I'm not waiting. Considering supply chain issues building to disaster levels end of this year, I'm just going to overhaul my fleet of secondary systems with 5700Gs configured as above.

If I need the boost from one of the RDNA2 APUs end of next year... I'll sell one off and switch. At the end of next year.

The way things are going right now, I have to assume that even if these things do launch end of next year the demand may be so apocalyptic they won't be available for a year after launch. If GPU prices stay where they are, the number of users desperate for affordable GPUs by Q4 next year will be incredible just due to attrition of old cards. Plus inflation is going nuts.

Sure, it could change completely in 6-8 months but I'm not banking on that. I've been a PC hardware enthusiast since the beginning of PCs. The stuff going on with pricing/supply/demand right now is uncharted territory. I'm bringing every system my family owns up while I can get the parts.
 

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Which is why I'm not waiting. Considering supply chain issues building to disaster levels end of this year, I'm just going to overhaul my fleet of secondary systems with 5700Gs configured as above.

If I need the boost from one of the RDNA2 APUs end of next year... I'll sell one off and switch. At the end of next year.

The way things are going right now, I have to assume that even if these things do launch end of next year the demand may be so apocalyptic they won't be available for a year after launch. If GPU prices stay where they are, the number of users desperate for affordable GPUs by Q4 next year will be incredible just due to attrition of old cards. Plus inflation is going nuts.

Sure, it could change completely in 6-8 months but I'm not banking on that. I've been a PC hardware enthusiast since the beginning of PCs. The stuff going on with pricing/supply/demand right now is uncharted territory. I'm bringing every system my family owns up while I can get the parts.
I was hoping that Intel iGPU would be stronger, more useful for a Commodore 64 build (iTX motherboard configuration). It is not. AMD is better due to efficiency alone except still the iGPU to me falls short. With AMD you can easily set the power target to like 35w which I would need in the build. In addition there are no current low end, very small discrete GPU's either. Thus build has to wait yet again for another cycle. Had the Commodore 64 working will AMD LLamo initially, it was a bear with heat, upgraded to AMD Trinity core which was better which then got cut short when the cat peed on it -> could not get the system to work afterwards. I think I will wait a few months to see what opens up with AMD, also maybe Intel later next year will have something decent apu wise or a small GPU that is usable. Looking at how powerful APUs are on the consoles, fricking 2080 performance levels, WTF Intel/AMD, give us something decent on the PC.
 
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