IdiotInCharge
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Interesting. Here's wondering if AMD will be ready with similar IPC and clocks to Coffee Lake while bringing more cores along for the ride.
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Here's wondering if AMD will be ready with similar IPC and clocks to Coffee Lake while bringing more cores along for the ride
I say IPC is likely not. Frequency can happen since Intel's frequency will decrease to add more cores.
Well the source claims that the Q3'18 timeline is the most recent roadmap.ok so FK which is it. Q1 2019 or Q3 2018? i thought intel gave xfastest the road map of Q3 2018 to kill off the rumors of Q1 2019 release, or is it the other way around.
ok so FK which is it. Q1 2019 or Q3 2018? i thought intel gave xfastest the road map of Q3 2018 to kill off the rumors of Q1 2019 release, or is it the other way around.
It looks like Intel will have a 14nm++ Icelake, at least for servers.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-cooper_lake-ice_lake,37574.html
It's too bad Intel is pushing out the 9th gen parts instead of using Cooper Lake next year on desktop parts.
Right, it is just interesting that they are using Francois's suggestion for servers but not desktops.
It really seems weird that they are squeezing Cooper Lake (CPLx?) between CCLx and ICLx.
So is Intel 9th gen is a paper launch then? It looks like Intel is having 14 nm shortages.
link? didnt they mention its coming oct 1st so theres still time.
not sure. do u know roughly how much more optimization they can get out of the core arch? how much more ipc improvement we can get out of it, say ICL 10nm+ vs right now 14nm++ 1/2+.Not sure why 9000 Series/14nm chips are being discussed in the 10nm, Icelake, Tigerlake, etc thread
AMD has just surpassed Intel in single-core IPC.
I doubt that. Proof?
It's true, Zen2 has better IPC than Skylake:
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/07/07/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-cpu-review/9/
Simulated 8C Zen2, testing only CoffeeLake, not Skylake-X, and batch of Wprime + rendering + rendering + rendering + rendering + rendering + rendering + non-CPU gaming tests.
You either didn't read it or are just trolling... It included some of both of you bothered. AMD is indeed ahead in the majority of benchmarks, multi and single thread, a couple of games, and gets trounced in a few games. All and all, AMD IPC has mostly caught up but is still struggling with some latency it seems (hence most of the game benchmarks being slower). Either way, it's impressive they have caught up in IPC in most instances (not just rendering), but are still struggling to catch up in games (zen2 closed that gap some, but still a gap). Interesting seeing how far Intel missed their estimates though!!Simulated 8C Zen2, testing only CoffeeLake, not Skylake-X, and batch of Wprime + rendering + rendering + rendering + rendering + rendering + rendering + non-CPU gaming tests.
So much fighting, but over what?
Right now, AMD is just closing the lid on Intel's casket. But next year, in 2020, AMD is hammering the final nails in Intel's coffin with Zen 3. I wouldn't mind seeing Intel in second place for the next decade. They deserve it.
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Nail in coffin is a bit much, but missing targets is hurting them and allowing AMD with some much needed room to grow and catch up. I'm sure they will get it straightened out, but to what expense is yet to be seen.
Yes, I wish AMD had been more competitive for the last few years and hope they don't fall that far behind again.Missing targets is putting it very mildly. AMD is hungry right now, and they will deliver for the foreseeable future. That said, I don't ever again want to see one company rule an individual market segment for extended periods. Intel is in decline at the moment, and their CEO isn't doing a great job. He is a glorified accountant who is currently selling off assets and doing just about anything to keep the stock price up. I doubt he has a long term vision for Intel. In other words, he has to go, and someone talented has to take his place. A lot hinges on the CEO, more than you know.
Yes, I wish AMD had been more competitive for the last few years and hope they don't fall that far behind again.
Missing targets is putting it very mildly. AMD is hungry right now, and they will deliver for the foreseeable future. That said, I don't ever again want to see one company rule an individual market segment for extended periods. Intel is in decline at the moment, and their CEO isn't doing a great job. He is a glorified accountant who is currently selling off assets and doing just about anything to keep the stock price up. I doubt he has a long term vision for Intel. In other words, he has to go, and someone talented has to take his place. A lot hinges on the CEO, more than you know.
AMD were total screwups to the point that when the rumors about Zen were "leaking" I discounted them as vaporware. If I had known better, I would have bought AMD stock back then. Unless you have insider info or a crystal ball, you can't predict the future. AMD will fall behind again if they have a significant change in management or when they will hit, inevitably, a big bump in the manufacturing process. Somehow, with their current CEO at the help, I doubt that Intel will be there to seize the moment. I enjoy processors from both companies in my systems, so I'm okay with how things are now. They won't stay like this forever though, that's for sure.
I'm marking this for 2020-2021 so we can compare AMD/Intel financials and marketshare once we know Zen 2 has been around for a long time.
AMD does not yet have competitive products in the mobile platforms which is where the bulk of the market is now.
AMD does not yet have competitive products in the mobile platforms which is where the bulk of the market is now.