Inland PCIe 4 x4 1TB NVMe drive, $169.

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  1. 1_rick

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    I just put in the 2TB version in my gaming rig. Works great. Recommended.
     
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  3. TheBuzzer

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    How is this a tech news?
    Also based on amazon for 1tb the list price should be:
    List Price: $249.99

    And it is only 10 dollars cheaper than amazon right now.
     
  4. YeuEmMaiMai

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    They are in stock at the MN location as well. Drive has got to be insanely fast The PCI-e 2x drive busts 3.4GB read and 3GBs write in my Dell 7577 laptop...
     
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    If you have an older mobo, is the NVMe 4.0 drive compatible to an older slot?

    My mobo specs:
    1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M Key, type 2260/2280/22110 storage devices support ( Supports PCIE SSDs only)*4
    1 x U.2 port, support PCIe 3.0 x4 NVM Express storage*4

    *These ports share bandwidth with PCIEX8_4 slot.

    Looks like it should work in the M.2 slot..

    Edit: that M.2 slot runs under the video card... not sure it will fit. Plus the bandwidth is shared by the 4th PCIe slot, and I got an x8 PCIe raid card there, so guess this will not work for me.
     
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  6. Darth Ender

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    this is not nvme 4.0. It's PCIE4.0 x4

    pcie is always reverse compatible to older specs, but you dont get the benefit of the higher bandwidth, so why pay the higher price? just get a pcie 3.0 x4 drive.

    also, this is old news. microcenter has had these at around that price for months (picked up a few when i got my 3900x).

    side note though, those who do get this and have pcie 4.x motherboards. Note the actual specs of your motherboard. Those with multiple M.2 ports will usually only have 1 port that is using pcie lanes from the cpu in x4 mode. Most that have a second port will be off the x570 chipset and may not be x4. You will incur a performance hit by being on the x570 chipset and not a direct cpu lane, as well as the obvious hit from not having enough lanes if that is the case for you.

    I've yet to see any good pcie4.0 expansion cards for nvme pcie4.x drives for sale.

    Still though, even with being over the x570 and x2 instead of x4, these drives are insanely fast for the price.
     
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  7. vegeta535

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    These 4.0 drives are starting to tank in price. No surprise cause they are really not worth it and the current useable market is very small atm.
     
  8. Darth Ender

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    sounds like someone who doesn't have a pcie4 slot.

    To get equiv performance from a pcie3 drive, you'd have to spend far far more than 170 bucks. And that only can hope to ideally reach the avg performance of the pcie4 drive, since it can never hope to match up against something with 2x the peak bandwidth.
     
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    If bang for the buck is your main concern, there is no beating an inland premium 1tb nvme (PCIE 3.0) - which I've seen go for 80-90 bucks.

    But I put mine in my x570 Tiachi, so it's PCIE 4.0 and the reason I upgraded to it (from my other 1tb NVME drives - Samsung 970, WD Blacks) was also for future compatibility. 2TB should be good for awhile capacity-wise and PCIE 4.0 should be good through a few more builds.
     
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    There is a market for these yes. For everyday use they aren't worth it. Also like I said the market is still small for these as not many x570 boards out there since people seem to go the cheaper route and getting old boards.
     
  11. SixFootDuo

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    This only works with AMD currently, correct? When these 1tb NVMe PCIe 4.0 drivers came out they were an astronomical $399. I am .. NOT ... surprised they've dropped in price already.

    Also, watch this video before you buy.


    der8auer

    "This is why I would NOT buy a Gen4 NVME SSD (yet)"



    Personally, I would buy the 2TB E12 drive for $200+ .... awesome deal.
     
  12. drescherjm

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    Intel is skipping PCIe 4.0 and does not have a PCIe 5.0 platform yet.
     
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    I dont watch youtube review videos. A serious review will be on a page I can reference statically. and the cost of anything brand new is high, but these drives have been cheap for a while now. Paying 200 bucks for pcie 3.0 drives that can do what a 170 dollar pcie 4.0 drive can do is dumb. Just get the 4.0 drive and use it in a 3.0 spot. I'd suggest to get a cheaper 3.0 drive if you have no intention of getting a pcie4.0 motherboard but unfortunately, it doesn't look like cheap pcie 3.0 drives perform nearly as well as the drives you'd need to buy to match 170 dollar pcie 4.0 drives in most aspects.

    https://www.techspot.com/review/1893-pcie-4-vs-pcie-3-ssd/


    So yes, while real world various uses are not going to be very different between one really fast drive on pcie 4.0 and one really fast drive in pcie 3.0 because OS's are designed to mitigate IO latency and transfers, there are plenty of edge uses cases where the much larger bandwidth of pcie 4.0 comes into play. They may not be as mundane and frequent as loading a program, but this website isn't about users who are just doing mundane average pc user crap.
     
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  14. Zarathustra[H]

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    Depends on what you mean by works. it will work on Intel as well, you just won't get those PCIe4 speeds. It will auto-negotiate to PCIe3.
     
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    So if on Intel save ~ $60 and get the PCIe3, it is still fast as hell.
     
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    Cool, so just like they skipped 10nm and jumped right into skipping 7?
    Thank God AMD is driving innovation. Who knows where we'd be in 10 years if they were not around.
    14++++++++++++++++ AmazingLake, 12 % faster in certain benchmarks over our last three lakes.
     
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    intel is saying they are skipping 4 and going stright into 5 because they never bothered working on 4. So in order for them to even catch up with amd is to jump right into 5. while amd is most likely already working on 5 too.
     
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    I love der8auer but to be fair he lives in europe and he's paying $275 for an SSD. The Inland drive linked above is $170. So at the end he says he would recommend a Samsung for $186. By this standard, it would make sense to get an Inland for $170.
     
  19. SixFootDuo

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    I think we all know it works in a default capacity .....

    Actually, yeah, the 2tb drive is a better deal ATM. Logically speaking of course. However, lot of people are "numbers" oriented ... higher is better regardless, and they base their purchase solely off that. I've been in the PC game for close to 30 years. I see it with everything new that's released. More cores? Gotta have it. A printed higher speed? Gotta have it. Cheaper? Gotta have it.

    Whatever people buy, doesn't bother me. I'm happy for them. In fact, common sense and logic always .. always takes a back seat and I know that. My words, things I post, like the video. It's really meant for the educated older crowd that bases their purchases off logic and intellect, common sense. Not to sound condescending. The folks out their that know ... know.
     
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    Prices in Europe are super expensive for most PC stuff, they have VAT, but mostly it's just what they do over there. They charge more. You have to take that into account, read in between the lines and ad-lib a bit. PC stuff in Norway, lot of those countries its 40% more than here in the US. Sometimes double and 3x as much for example to name just one country.
     
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  21. Seventyfive

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    That's exactly my point. I think the better question is would someone rather pay $110 for the PCIE 3 Inland vs $160 for the PCIE 4 version. On one hand it's just $50. On the other hand it's 50%.
     
  22. Darth Ender

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    if they were just slapping a pcie3 board with a pcie4 interface I'd agree. But current pcie4 nvme's that can hit 5GB+/sec read as opposed to some initial pcie4 products that were in the low 4GB range aren't. You'll benefit from a faster controller that is operating well within it's ability from the pcie4 inland even if you're using it on a pcie3 motherboard compared to the native pcie3 version. The native pcie3 board will be operating at their max theoretical to get peak performance, where as the pcie4 board will be sleeping.

    Nobody's done any testing of that scenario ...but i'd bet on it.
     
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    I read that the PCIE4 ones run considerably hotter. I haven't played with one myself but I would be curious to find out.
     
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    Judging by just that heatsink, I'm surprised they haven't put a fan on it.
     
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    How soon till we have custom water cooling for SSD/NVMe drives...
     
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    they have temp sensors. I've never seen mine get terribly hot. I have had couple of the inland 1TB's for well over a month now (since i built my 3900x). One I use the stock heatsink, one i use the heatsink that came with the motherboard (diff computer).
     
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    Too late
     
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    Lol... they are already a thing!

    So reading about the asus m2 cooling, it mentions that it helps avoid throttling... so SSD's and M2 drives can throttle if they overheat??
     
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    Hmmm...it would be interesting to make a motherboard that has complete blocks over the vrm, cpu, and ssd to an aio--instant watercooling of everything easy-peasy!
     
  31. sirmonkey1985

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    yeah it's called the asrock x570 aqua.. lol..
     
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    Wow, I had no idea it already existed. Seems like a pretty nice powerhouse of a board that would be perfect with a pcie4 ssd.
     
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    yeah no.. you don't need to watercool pcie 4.0 drives.. do they get hot? yes.. but unless you're transferring TB's of data non stop then it's not worth worrying about. any simple heatsink on the controller is enough.
     
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    (It's a $1000 motherboard...)

    Also, Der8auer has one he's working on, but it's more of a prototype than anything at this point:

     
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    When it comes to going all out, I always think in terms of go big or go home--our old builds topping out at over $10k/ea back in the 1990s can attest to that. :D
     
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    Water cooling is almost never a "need," it's just typically quieter. Or... considering how efficient and potentially quiet modern air cooling is, more likely it's just... funner.
     
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    Yes if you hitting the drive really hard over a substantial period of time. Under normal use it won't.
     
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    I could put 4 of them in my x16 slot and it would make them work as intended
     
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    I've yet to see a pcie 4 expansion board that includes two m2 slots ...much less 4. Do you know of any actually purchasable?

    only older pcie 3 stuff.
     
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    gigabyte showed one off back in may but haven't seen anything about them releasing it.