I have MW installed and am ready to go. Just waitin' on what's his face to let me know when he wants to get down.
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In gaming, everything is amazing, but no one is happy
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Well he was referring to the "real world", the gaming world is hardly the real world (unless you happen to work in the games development or publishing industry).
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Of course companies are in it for profit, at least as far as the publishers are concern. Nothing new there. But then what motivates them to make great games in the past? Its nothing more than the demand for quality games by the gaming community.
The problem is when the gaming community settle for whatever that's being thrown our way, its a green light for the companies to start putting less effort, more DLC, and shove those load of crap our way.
Should we just simply accept everything they way they are? If we do, then we are letting these companies do whatever they want and making quality games sure isn't their top priority. And it wouldn't be until we demand that they make quality games
Exactly.....there's millions of PC gamers, but many must be fairly jaded, so unless we constantly remind people of the downgrades they're accepting everytime they purchase dumbed down console garbage, they'll keep feeding us the same slop.
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I was going to install Call of Duty 4, but then the thought of seeing the Activision logo followed by Infinity Ward made my stomach turn, so in the end, I decided to throw my CoD 4 CD in the trash and deleted my folder with all the patches off of my external.
There will be no more Call of Derpy for me.
There will be no more Call of Derpy for me.
You honestly think you're educating anyone of anything? On a hardware enthusiast forum of all places? You're not.
Epic fail, worst excuse ever. If you truely are that mentally unstable I pity you.
I declare erf the winner by default.
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Actually no Fail won by not playing CoD.
As far as I remember, Fail has said in previous threads he liked CoD4 and he went on about the challenge for a page of this thread, then pulled out at the last minute due to the most bullshit excuse I've ever heard. Fail has failed like a little girl trying to grow a penis.
The coward can never be the winner.Once again, I declare erf the winner.
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COD4 was a good game...and IW used to be a good name.
Trust me...the dude barely held his own in the debate over gaming and the subsequent trends it is affected by.As far as I remember, Fail has said in previous threads he liked CoD4 and he went on about the challenge for a page of this thread, then pulled out at the last minute due to the most bullshit excuse I've ever heard. Fail has failed like a little girl trying to grow a penis.
Once again, I declare erf the winner.
I will say this, he did better on this forum than he would have against me in a FFA match...and that's not saying much. HIS true character has now been brought to light.
Fail you talked all of that shit and now you're gonna back down and tuck your tail...you need to do the same thing with your illogical judgements concerning people and the way they choose to spend their money. Open your mind a little. It's ok to realize that there are trends that are affecting us "hardcore" gamers in a negative way. How about you try to rationalize a bit?
You're taking an extreme stance concerning certain games and the principles you're going off of are somewhat commendable, but the minute you start judging peoples characters based on a video game purchase you've crossed the line.
Bottom line...Are their negative trends that are affecting the "hardcore" gamer? Sure. Are these trends anything new to the people that actually understand the social and economical nuances behind what make the world go around? No, I understand them quite well. Am I going to miss out on a game that in my opinion is enjoyable because it has been "adjusted" to cater to the masses? Hell no. EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO ENJOY A GAME AT THE END OF THE DAY!!! Am I excited when a full blown "hardcore" PC title is announced? Fuck yes I am. Am I disappointed when games are "dumbed" down because companies must cater to the people that actually PAY MONEY to support these companies? Yeah, I'm disappointed but I'm not going to go on a full out moral tirade against society.
Step off of your high horse homie...
Enjoying game for the sake of enjoying a game? Blasphemy! We all must play nothing but the most challenging, sophisticated and hardcore games imaginable or we are contributing to the downfall of society! It's not for fun, it's serious business!
it's a real shame when gamers start targeting other gamers. I agree with you. It's perfectly fine to be disappointed with a game's faults and perfectly fine to speak up so that the game companies see what they're doing wrong. But once a gamer decides to group other gamers as the enemy, that person should shut off their computer, go outside and spend a little time under that glowing object in the sky. We're all GAMERS and we shouldn't be arguing and picking on each other for what games we play. This isn't grade school anymore.
No kidding. These companies don't need to pay for distribution, shipping, material packages, etc... yet they will charge full retail. I have absolutely no empathy or sympathy for these companies and never ever pay the full $50 of $60 for digital (or retail)... besides, in my book there hasn't been anything worth that kind of money in years.
You know what, why is it people care so much what others think? If you just can't stomach reading negative points about something stop seeking them out. People want to share the dumbest shit, and somehow think they are being listened to ("I got that +3 sword in that game most of you quit", "I hate negative comments", "that game sucks"). Everyone knows opinions are like assholes everyone has them... but online, and most facets of life, no one really gives a damn about yours... They just want theirs out there or the final word.
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LOL you mean the whole $1.50 it costs them per title to press,package and ship a game?
sorry but that is a little hilarious to see you complain over the $1.50 on the saving of some cardboard, pressing, and shipping.
And the mark up due to selling them in stores, paying rent for the store, paying wages to employees, I also imagine it results in more layers of tax as well. If the game is sold digitally the middle man should be much more insignificant (still have servers and such of course, but I imagine the price of paying retail employees and rent would be much higher... I'd love to see some numbers one way or the other).
look on the front page of today HARD main page.
Subsidy to all the game developers. WTF
where is the incentive to do anything but to put out crap real fast.
Grab the buck and move on.
Then get a refund from the government....WTF
PrincessFrosty said it best on the first page of this post.
These are not games they are long demos. By their surveys 10 hours is max a typical console player will play a game.
It has to have a fancy name, good cover art, and if its a shooter BIG explosions and Sgt big D.
Subsidy to all the game developers. WTF
where is the incentive to do anything but to put out crap real fast.
Grab the buck and move on.
Then get a refund from the government....WTF
PrincessFrosty said it best on the first page of this post.
These are not games they are long demos. By their surveys 10 hours is max a typical console player will play a game.
It has to have a fancy name, good cover art, and if its a shooter BIG explosions and Sgt big D.
On a per game basis i doubt its as much as you think (much much less).. And stores that have a higher per/game costs for overhead you see the market (Gamestop vs Walmart prices)..
The real bottom line is that the price you pay at the store and digitially online has less to do with how much it costs to make/sell the game and more to do with its market value.
I haven't read the complete thread but a lot of the back and forth banter is good. Here is my simple take.
I have a very nice PC, I have a very nice Home Theater with a 114" Screen.
I enjoy playing games on my Xbox, iPhone, PC, PS3, etc... Does that make me a bad person, no, I just enjoy things for what they are, would it be nice if some things changed, sure.
But at the end of the day, I don't want to be someone who has such a hatred towards a hobby that is fun, its gaming, enjoy it or quit, but it seems silly to rant and rave all the time....
I don't take one side or the other, but it sure is nice just to enjoy games as what they are, a form of entertainment. If for some reason it goes totally south, then I guess we find a new hobby.
I have a very nice PC, I have a very nice Home Theater with a 114" Screen.
I enjoy playing games on my Xbox, iPhone, PC, PS3, etc... Does that make me a bad person, no, I just enjoy things for what they are, would it be nice if some things changed, sure.
But at the end of the day, I don't want to be someone who has such a hatred towards a hobby that is fun, its gaming, enjoy it or quit, but it seems silly to rant and rave all the time....
I don't take one side or the other, but it sure is nice just to enjoy games as what they are, a form of entertainment. If for some reason it goes totally south, then I guess we find a new hobby.
2011 has been the best year for gaming in recent memory with a couple of games still pending release.
I'll bitch next year.
No kidding. I can't remember the last time so many games made my wishlist.
We need more games that cater to grown up males. If I imagine myself as a kid I don't think I would have any gripes today... I'd be busy playing LoL or minecraft or whatever. Pretty much any game. If I were a girl I'd just play farmville on facebook or the sims or world of warcraft and I probably wouldn't be that bothered either way. Most of the games out today are just very juvenile and frankly fucking boring if you are a grown up and need.. you know... more raw stuff to be entertained. There's pretty much none of that anymore. Soldier of Fortune anyone? I don't know maybe I'm just too old. Damn near all games nowadays are boring and lame. But I love this hobby I don't wanna quit.
It would be nice if the industry would try to move away from 'juvenile' / 'cartoon' in my humble opinion. Just a little bit.
It would be nice if the industry would try to move away from 'juvenile' / 'cartoon' in my humble opinion. Just a little bit.
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Dragon Age, Mass Effect all had "adult" storylines. Metro2033, Battlefield don't seem to be juvenile or cartoonish. I think there is definitely stuff out there to keep you interested. Now if instead of adult you meant ultra-violent, a la SoF, that I don't know about.
Meh... most of them cater to teens. Mass Effect was good enough. DE:HR was pretty good too. But yeah in one sense I'm looking for a more mature line in design in general. In another sense I'm looking for more "believable" action (gore) as the kind of gore you had in SoF. For instance you shot somebody in the mouth the chin would fly off. It just made the action a lot more believable and thus immersive.
Maybe Rob Zombie will make a video game.
Tongue-in-cheek violence: Fallout NV - The slo-mo kill gib scenes need to be toned waaay down in frequency.
Hah I absolutely loved New Vegas. I'd very much welcome more of that.
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Have you tried Dead Space? Definitely some good gore there...shoot off their limbs and head to kill them, then rip off a dead monsters limb to shoot another with. Then when you're done, stomp on their head to make it explode and shoot blood everywhere. And expose the clip of ammo that was magically residing in their skull.
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Have you tried Dead Space? Definitely some good gore there...shoot off their limbs and head to kill them, then rip off a dead monsters limb to shoot another with. Then when you're done, stomp on their head to make it explode and shoot blood everywhere. And expose the clip of ammo that was magically residing in their skull.
Yeah I had Dead Space in mind and no I haven't. I was and still am a bit put off by reports of it being a bad console port with shitty controls. I guess I might pick it up at the next sale. Seems to me like a game that is either good or pseudo-horror garbage. Not quite convinced.
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I wouldn't say the controls are terrible; they take a bit of getting used to, but I think there was thought involved there to make it a bit slower to add to the "horror." A design choice, really. Definitely not like a Dungeon Siege 3, which I bought for full price like an idiot and played for 30 minutes.
I've gotten to where I ignore the rants of the "elite entitled gamer guy" when it comes to console ports etc...with that said, you can easily adjust the controls by disabling mouse smoothing, v-sync, and turning up the sensitivity of your mouse.
It only amounts to a minor inconvenience in the case of Dead Space...which btw is a solid title even on PC. After making these minor adjustments the controls are anything but a distraction from the actual game itself.
That's great. I'm not saying that the controls were perfect...just not as bad as the naysayers made them out to be. It's easy to sensationalize things without much thought...especially on the internet.
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WASD + M/KB? Crazy talk!
LOL please don't speak for all us "adults".. there are plenty of games that have storylines/gameplay that caters to adults (Arma for example), DCS A10-C, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Max Payne, Deus Ex (the list goes on and on)
Adult audience != over the top gore
Adult audience != porn
I would say what you describe caters more to the "teen" audience than to adults. (A chin flying off.... Coool)
Not according to ESRB or .. well anyone who's trying to be politically correct.
Uhm that's not what I'm getting at... There's a difference between seeking a more mature line in design and seeking over the top gore and porn... When I said raw I merely meant less juvenile and cute. If you really cannot see what I mean then I think your post is somewhat ironic.
I hear this said but rarely any numbers about it.
That's great. I'm not saying that the controls were perfect...just not as bad as the naysayers made them out to be. It's easy to sensationalize things without much thought...especially on the internet.
DS1 had pretty fucking shit controls IMO. The controls + camera stopped me from playing it. The issues with framerate affecting mouse sensitivity and even if you fixed that the overall sloppiness of the mouse control and then the awkwardly positioned camera were too much for me and I quit playing despite the fact I was enjoying the story and atmosphere.
The title of the article is confusing, as I see it, very few games are amazing these days, but they could have been, and that's what's disappointing.
I'm currently playing Dead Island, this game could be so much better if a bunch of small additions were introduced. For instance, most objects don't even react when I hit them with a weapon, and the physics that are there is terrible.
But on a more bigger scale, if anyone wants to make an amazing game, here's the recipe: Don't build a game around game mechanics, but rather build it around story, and don't just make game mechanics, make systems for the player to use. The days of levels should be long gone, but they're not, we should have worlds in every game. Even if that world is just one city, but something to be immersed in and explore.
Games like... a car racing game, has it's place, you do a quick race and that's it, but where's the deep, involving games for a mature audience, and I'm not talking about games that have an 18 rating slapped on it just because there's blood.
I'm currently playing Dead Island, this game could be so much better if a bunch of small additions were introduced. For instance, most objects don't even react when I hit them with a weapon, and the physics that are there is terrible.
But on a more bigger scale, if anyone wants to make an amazing game, here's the recipe: Don't build a game around game mechanics, but rather build it around story, and don't just make game mechanics, make systems for the player to use. The days of levels should be long gone, but they're not, we should have worlds in every game. Even if that world is just one city, but something to be immersed in and explore.
Games like... a car racing game, has it's place, you do a quick race and that's it, but where's the deep, involving games for a mature audience, and I'm not talking about games that have an 18 rating slapped on it just because there's blood.
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