In Europe Netflix might throttle during peak hours

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As somebody that works for an ISP and is responsible for our customer access network. I can say that honestly I haven't noticed any trend in the last week that has me concerned. Even with people working from home and the schools closed down peak hour usage is still the same as it was before. There has been almost no change in our customer peak usage for the past month straight. What I have noticed is that normally during the day I would notice a slow increase through the day with it starting to increase more around 3 - 4 in the afternoon (when kids start to get home from school) then peak between 7 and 9 pm. Now the morning starts with it jumping up by 9 or 10 am to the level that it normally would be around 3 or 4 and holds there for the day. If anything there has been maybe a 3 - 5% increase of bandwidth during the day. We are actually going to boost our residential customer speeds for the next few months and I have no concern of that impacting our network even though I will still have my guys monitor it and upgrade segments of the network if / as needed.

So I don't see a need for Netflix or youtube to do this in the USA. Depending on the area some networks already have people using these services most of the time anyway. If everyone is already streaming every night as it is, it is hard to get worse than that. When you get to the rural areas I see that being more and more common. If you live in a big city you go out and do stuff. But when you are 2 or 3 hours from a large city or even 45 - 50 minutes from a small city that has even a 2 screen theater you are going to be staying at home most nights anyway and streaming stuff. If I want to fly somewhere I am driving 2 hours to get to one airport, 3 to get to another. Same to get to any zoo or museum. So those things aren't on my list of things to do. Most of the movies I watch are on Netflix or Vudu as otherwise a 2 hour movie becomes almost a 4 hour chunk of my day by the time I drive there and back and add in some extra time to get there early to get a good seat.
 

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It's some of that, it is also backhaul, the US really does have big pipes at the high level, in part because there is so much hosting and infrastructure here. Some of it also is I think Netflix has servers in more ISPs in the US. They got their start here so their infrastructure is more developed here. For those not aware Netflix works to partner with ISPs and put cache servers in their datacenters to serve out content. Reduces the load all around so that they can offer better quality streaming.
Yeah, I'm sure the US as a tech hub plays into it, along with edge servers. I suppose my main concern is that Pai might politicize it and try to make it look as if his policies (or general Ayn Rand free market fantasies) had something to do with the resilience. After all, this is the guy who regularly issues "what they're saying about" releases to pad his ego and that of the administration.
 

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Lets see how well attaching images work. Hopefully they don't get turned into some goofy size. Cacti likes to remove some of the granularity after a few days as I haven't bothered to reconfigure it from normal installed settings so last week isn't as sharp as today. But here are bandwidth graphs for the past 24 hours, compared to the same time frame last weekend before schools in the area along with businesses started to shut down for our customer network. I was going to go back another week but it is way to blocky to really help prove any points.

Saturday morning on both look the same, which is what most Saturdays look like. Peak is around the same level Friday night. Friday during the day is more but not the same as peak, as i said above about the same as mid afternoon of a normal weekday. Honestly would probably be on par with any normal Saturday this entire winter.

I understand that I am just one case, but we have talked with other small companies over the past few days and they have been noticing about the same type of trends. So at least for us small rural companies we are pretty much seeing what I would expect for a day when most people are not working or at school such as every weekend.
 

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Yeah, I'm sure the US as a tech hub plays into it, along with edge servers. I suppose my main concern is that Pai might politicize it and try to make it look as if his policies (or general Ayn Rand free market fantasies) had something to do with the resilience. After all, this is the guy who regularly issues "what they're saying about" releases to pad his ego and that of the administration.
Oh I can absolutely see that, I'm not trying to defend him at all. Just giving some reasons as to why the US has less trouble than the EU with this kind of thing.
 

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Lets see how well attaching images work. Hopefully they don't get turned into some goofy size. Cacti likes to remove some of the granularity after a few days as I haven't bothered to reconfigure it from normal installed settings so last week isn't as sharp as today. But here are bandwidth graphs for the past 24 hours, compared to the same time frame last weekend before schools in the area along with businesses started to shut down for our customer network. I was going to go back another week but it is way to blocky to really help prove any points.

Saturday morning on both look the same, which is what most Saturdays look like. Peak is around the same level Friday night. Friday during the day is more but not the same as peak, as i said above about the same as mid afternoon of a normal weekday. Honestly would probably be on par with any normal Saturday this entire winter.

I understand that I am just one case, but we have talked with other small companies over the past few days and they have been noticing about the same type of trends. So at least for us small rural companies we are pretty much seeing what I would expect for a day when most people are not working or at school such as every weekend.
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waaaah, so we all stream at 720P (Looks at 2009 panasonic 720P plasma).... cry me a river. GOD are we entitled bitches.
 

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waaaah, so we all stream at 720P (Looks at 2009 panasonic 720P plasma).... cry me a river. GOD are we entitled bitches.
If people are "entitled bitches" over a service they paid for then ISP's shouldn't be entitled to the money people pay them for those speeds. They should refund people money if they can't serve the advertised speeds.
 

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Lets see how well attaching images work. Hopefully they don't get turned into some goofy size. Cacti likes to remove some of the granularity after a few days as I haven't bothered to reconfigure it from normal installed settings so last week isn't as sharp as today. But here are bandwidth graphs for the past 24 hours, compared to the same time frame last weekend before schools in the area along with businesses started to shut down for our customer network. I was going to go back another week but it is way to blocky to really help prove any points.

Saturday morning on both look the same, which is what most Saturdays look like. Peak is around the same level Friday night. Friday during the day is more but not the same as peak, as i said above about the same as mid afternoon of a normal weekday. Honestly would probably be on par with any normal Saturday this entire winter.

I understand that I am just one case, but we have talked with other small companies over the past few days and they have been noticing about the same type of trends. So at least for us small rural companies we are pretty much seeing what I would expect for a day when most people are not working or at school such as every weekend.
That's sounds like I would expect. Keep in mind on the business side most places have been blocking Netflix, FB, and many other things like that. So the traffic for normal business users is generally very low, and it's not uncommon to have as many as 500 endpoints on a 100mbit fiber connection. Even if everyone went to WFH, the company only has 100M upload, so if you distribute that across the workers it's only like 200KBps per user. I'd still expect to see your numbers go up the longer this goes on, as people will start to turn on Netflix during the day once they realize they can. They've been used to working without it, so it's not really something they are used to doing during the day. I think the kids will still cause bigger spikes in day time traffic once they get bored, but realistically it should be similar to summer levels. The one thing I'd worry about however is patch Tuesday, should be interesting to see how much extra bandwidth you see when all of those work machines are patching themselves from home.

Probably one of the more interesting trends you might see is that your peak numbers actually go down. If kids are at home and can start their 60GB game download at noon instead of 4 or 5, it might lower the peak and spread it out across the day. People might also watch more Netflix during the day, and not watch as much at night because of it. You can only watch so much before you need a break.
 

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That's sounds like I would expect. Keep in mind on the business side most places have been blocking Netflix, FB, and many other things like that. So the traffic for normal business users is generally very low, and it's not uncommon to have as many as 500 endpoints on a 100mbit fiber connection. Even if everyone went to WFH, the company only has 100M upload, so if you distribute that across the workers it's only like 200KBps per user. I'd still expect to see your numbers go up the longer this goes on, as people will start to turn on Netflix during the day once they realize they can. They've been used to working without it, so it's not really something they are used to doing during the day. I think the kids will still cause bigger spikes in day time traffic once they get bored, but realistically it should be similar to summer levels. The one thing I'd worry about however is patch Tuesday, should be interesting to see how much extra bandwidth you see when all of those work machines are patching themselves from home.

Probably one of the more interesting trends you might see is that your peak numbers actually go down. If kids are at home and can start their 60GB game download at noon instead of 4 or 5, it might lower the peak and spread it out across the day. People might also watch more Netflix during the day, and not watch as much at night because of it. You can only watch so much before you need a break.
I actually expect to see the peak on my network go down just because of the fact that we just opened the flood gates and gave customers faster speeds across the board. One of the things that many can't wrap their heads around very well is that as customers have faster speeds they get done with what they are doing faster and get off the network faster. As a result you have spread out the utilization. Its no different than the flattening the curve that they talk about for the virus. I do expect to see some additional growth here, but nothing that unreasonable. I don't expect to see the bandwidth usage double or triple over the next week or two. There is always a slow climb of a few % every month. A few times of year you have a little faster jumps, such as black Friday, Christmas and super bowl where people are buying new smart tvs or other additional electronic devices that use bandwidth. So I could see maybe the next few months of growth suddenly hitting faster. So instead of 2 or 3% increase it goes up 10% over the next month. Which it would have been there by mid-summer anyway. Patch Tuesday will be interesting, however depending on if people leave their laptops on over night that might just fill in the valley at night then.
 

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I think Intel was the first to really get that concept for me, but it was in relation to CPUs. To save power, it's actually better to do something faster, so you can spend longer time in sleep. I fully understand giving more bandwidth makes it so that transfers don't linger and stack up. If the bandwidth is available now you may as well use it, so when the next person is on the wire they also get full speeds. The only time that doesn't work is for large transfers or if someone is using a P2P client that just wants to use all the bandwidth that is available. For those limiting them is probably better because they will already be going for hours on end. I suppose the goalposts are moving for large transfers though, and on 100mbit+ even 50GB isn't as large as it used to be.
 

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More from Forbes. John Archer thinks it is an overreaction by EU regulator rather than an genuine issue.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...virus-outbreak/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Furthermore, as reported by decrypt.co soon after the Netflix announcement on Thursday, David Clark, a senior research scientist at MIT and renowned Internet pioneer, believes the move to be unnecessary. He states that there’s plenty of internet bandwidth to go around – in Europe as well as in the rest of the Web-connected world. “[What’s happening] just tells me they don’t understand how the Internet works,” Clark concludes. (I strongly recommend you read the whole article once you’ve finished this one.)

For the avoidance of doubt, if at any point people who actually know stuff about the Internet, such as the big ISPs and David Clark, start to say that we really are approaching some kind of Internet melt down, and that limiting video streaming quality at source really could make a difference, trust me: I and, I’m sure, most other AV fans around the world would instantly rally behind the throttling move. As things stand right now, though, it feels like a forced reaction to a knee-jerk, inadequately scrutinized political decision. And those sort of situations surely should always be at least be questioned, no matter what else might be going on around us.
 

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This is incredibly stupid. If they can handle netflix during peek hours they can handle netflix during work hours. 99% of the work people do uses nearly no bandwidth in comparison with streaming.
 

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This is incredibly stupid. If they can handle netflix during peek hours they can handle netflix during work hours. 99% of the work people do uses nearly no bandwidth in comparison with streaming.
Er, no. The issue is that a much larger percentage of the population is at home, whether or not they're working. That creates overall higher demand throughout the day, and it only gets worse at night since people neither have anything to do outside nor a commute that delays when they can start watching.
 
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Er, no. The issue is that a much larger percentage of the population is at home, whether or not they're working. That creates overall higher demand throughout the day, and it only gets worse at night since people neither have anything to do outside nor a commute that delays when they can start watching.
This would increase the total number of bits moved during the day, but it shouldn't change peak load. The reason is that, two weeks ago, everyone hit their max consumption rate during the same 3-5 hour window because they couldn't while in the office during the day. If the network can handle that peak at night, then it can handle that peak all day long. On top of that, because the available window for netflix usage has increased, the load will be more distributed throughout the day.
 
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It's the same with airlines, who are already standing in line for handouts from governments. WTF would I, the taxpayer have to pay because they have streched themselves so thin that they have no operational reserves?
Now I'm to give up my internet access too, because ISPs also stretched their infrastructure too thin? My answer is: NO. If someone should pay the price it is the corporations, who were reaping the benefits when things were good. It's only fair that they weather the storm as well, without using the taxpayers as a shield.
And let's not forget that the overwhelming majority of users are stuck being served by government-protected monopolies. If it were an open market, then the users could at least choose the ISP with the highest capacity.
 

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This would increase the total number of bits moved during the day, but it shouldn't change peak load. The reason is that, two weeks ago, everyone hit their max consumption rate during the same 3-5 hour window because they couldn't while in the office during the day. If the network can handle that peak at night, then it can handle that peak all day long. On top of that, because the available window for netflix usage has increased, the load will be more distributed throughout the day.
I think you're making assumptions about what people are doing. It's not just that there's more strain on the network during the day, it's that peak use at night is going to be even higher. Remember, even people working from home might wait until after work to start a Netflix marathon... and even if they did, they can't go out -- like it or not, many people aren't going to turn to video games, pull out Monopoly or read a book.
 

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And now it hits closer home

The Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) are taking preventative measures to avoid internet slowdowns. COAI has written to Hotstar, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube and other OTT platforms requesting them to only stream content in Standard Definition (SD).

The COAI has also written to the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) urging the government to issue advisories to all concerned platforms

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/t...s-netflix-hotstar-other-otts-5063341.html/amp

In a letter the DoT, COAI wrote; “We believe that during this critical time, it is absolutely essential for the streaming platforms to cooperate with telecom providers so as to manage the traffic distribution patterns which are likely to strain the network infrastructure at a time when it is needed for various critical requirements.”
 

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And now it hits closer home

The Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) are taking preventative measures to avoid internet slowdowns. COAI has written to Hotstar, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube and other OTT platforms requesting them to only stream content in Standard Definition (SD).

The COAI has also written to the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) urging the government to issue advisories to all concerned platforms

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/t...s-netflix-hotstar-other-otts-5063341.html/amp
Looks like Netflix & Amazon prime implemented EU strategy in India a couple of days ago

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainm...to-manage-congestion/article31151267.ece/amp/
 

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confirmation that, UK can handle HD and 4K Netflix use, other video streaming, online gaming, working from home applications, videoconferencing (which is generally low bandwidth anyway), and more besides

https://www.pocket-lint.com/smart-h...n-handle-4k-netflix-during-coronavirus-crisis

while the likes of Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube, Disney+ and PlayStation, have agreed to "slow down" and/or reduce the quality of their video streams or download speeds, it is more a cautionary, preemptive move rather than a truly necessary one at present
 

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It may merely be a matter of time, but for now Microsoft is not doing anything to throttle download speeds on Xbox Live, despite Sony announcing that they will and the unprecedented amount of usage at the moment, from everyone working from home and self-isolating.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/coro...nged-now-says-microsoft-12450571/?ito=cbshare

via Metro UK

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/25/xbox-series-x-wont-delayed-microsoft-boss-worries-demand-12453272/

Nadella also mentioned how Microsoft’s Azure data centres seem to have held up well so far, despite the increased usage, with Microsoft, unlike Sony, not yet needing to throttle back the speed of Xbox Live – even though according to Nadella current usage is equivalent to November, the busiest time of year for video games.
 

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I dunno, from my perspective MS already throttles downloads by sucking :p. Seriously, I have gig Internet and from Steam, I get near that like 60-90MB/sec usually. From GOG also pretty high, like 30-50MB/sec. From the MS store? Nah, more like 10-20MB/sec. You would think a company that big, that runs the world's second largest public cloud would have good distribution servers but nope, at least not where I live.
 

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Edit* thse are not facts. I highlight this below in another reply. Just move on and forget this but I am not going to delete this.


All this is, is bullshit government control. Some leftist in Eu and US always trying to decree thier opinions as rule of law of the land.

Total BS.

151,000,000 people died from h1n1
Hardly a peep in the media

22,500 died from Covid 19
Whole fucking Earth is bowing down to tyrannical decree of government.
 
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All this is, is bullshit government control. Some leftist in Eu and US always trying to decree thier opinions as rule of law of the land.

Total BS.

151,000,000 people died from h1n1
Hardly a peep in the media

22,500 died from Covid 19
Whole fucking Earth is bowing down to tyrannical decree of government.
Here are the actual facts....

In 2009... (H1N1)pdm09 which originated in the US. Infected an estimated 60.8 million Americans, hospitalized 274,000 and killed 12,469.
So the hospitalization rate was 0.005%. The death rate 0.00002%.

In 2020 as of right now with SARS-COV-2.... 531,609 have been infected, 123,391 have recovered... making 384,153 active cases of which 19,558 are hospitalized right now meaning this virus has a 0.05% hospitalization rate. Also keep in mind that of those hospitalized most are going to need ventilation. Which is most of the problem, most countries (the US included) have no where near enough ventilators. This is why this virus seems to kill old people mostly... it doesn't its called triage. In China and now in Italy cases are triaged because their system was/is overwhelmed so if you have 5 patients that all need a ventilator the 90 year olds are screwed.

The number of deaths at 24,065 puts the death rate of SARS-COV-2 at 0.045%.

Extrapolating that out if 50% of the US population catches this in the next few months... at the current death rate. 7.3 million or so Americans are going to die in the next couple months. This is why all the doctors are saying flatten the curve. The same number of people will be infected... but if you get it your going to want you local hospital to have ventilator free for you. If 163 million Americans (50%) get this in the next month or so... most of them are NOT going to have a ventilator ready for them, even if Ford and GM manage to crank out a 1000 a day.

Anyway this is a bigger deal then (H1N1)pdm09... mostly because H1N1 was a minor variant, and a large number of the population actually had immunity to it from previous H1N1 infections.
 

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You're wasting your time trying to logic with these animals.

The idea that ISPs "should've had" infrastructure to accommodate the whole world on the internet at the same time is sun-sparkled peaks of silliness.

It would be like building - and then maintaining - a freeway 500 lanes wide because one time in 50 years everyone had to evacuate a hurricane within a few hours. Or buying a moving truck and driving it daily for 5 years because one time you had to move.

The world got caught off guard, including ISPs, and anyone squeaking about downthrottles doesn't have shit bad enough yet. And if you're a 4K whore (raises hand) you shouldn't be streaming anyway.
I DONT CARE IF THE WORLD IS BURNING I WANT TO WATCH MY SHOWS AT THE HIGHEST INDISTINGUISHABLE QUALITY RIGHT NOW, I PAY $12 A MONTH FOR IT.

All this is, is bullshit government control. Some leftist in Eu and US always trying to decree thier opinions as rule of law of the land.

Total BS.

151,000,000 people died from h1n1
Hardly a peep in the media

22,500 died from Covid 19
Whole fucking Earth is bowing down to tyrannical decree of government.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Source:

I live in New York and work in health care.

Here are the actual facts....

In 2009... (H1N1)pdm09 which originated in the US. Infected an estimated 60.8 million Americans, hospitalized 274,000 and killed 12,469.
So the hospitalization rate was 0.005%. The death rate 0.00002%.

In 2020 as of right now with SARS-COV-2.... 531,609 have been infected, 123,391 have recovered... making 384,153 active cases of which 19,558 are hospitalized right now meaning this virus has a 0.05% hospitalization rate. Also keep in mind that of those hospitalized most are going to need ventilation. Which is most of the problem, most countries (the US included) have no where near enough ventilators. This is why this virus seems to kill old people mostly... it doesn't its called triage. In China and now in Italy cases are triaged because their system was/is overwhelmed so if you have 5 patients that all need a ventilator the 90 year olds are screwed.

The number of deaths at 24,065 puts the death rate of SARS-COV-2 at 0.045%.

Extrapolating that out if 50% of the US population catches this in the next few months... at the current death rate. 7.3 million or so Americans are going to die in the next couple months. This is why all the doctors are saying flatten the curve. The same number of people will be infected... but if you get it your going to want you local hospital to have ventilator free for you. If 163 million Americans (50%) get this in the next month or so... most of them are NOT going to have a ventilator ready for them, even if Ford and GM manage to crank out a 1000 a day.

Anyway this is a bigger deal then (H1N1)pdm09... mostly because H1N1 was a minor variant, and a large number of the population actually had immunity to it from previous H1N1 infections.
thank you, but your percentages are off (20k of 400k active cases is a 5% hospitalization rate) and deaths at 25k of 531k puts it at 5% as well. overall message is accurate. These numbers are WAY worse than flu/h1n1. Keep in mind many hospitals are often full without a novel very infectious disease. We don't have the capacity to handle this.
 
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thank you, but your percentages are off (20k of 400k active cases is a 5% hospitalization rate) and deaths at 25k of 531k puts it at 5% as well. overall message is accurate. These numbers are WAY worse than flu/h1n1. Keep in mind many hospitals are often full without a novel very infectious disease. We don't have the capacity to handle this.
Your right forgot to carry a few decimals there... I blame it on having kids all over me all day. lol ;)

And take care of yourself, appreciate everyone in the field... hope things go better then its looking.
 

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I made those numbers up to make a point but never got to finish my point and was unaware my phone submitted the forum post. My 6 year old was screaming at me and I forgot to finish my point.

I was going to state how facts are made up.by the media and people in control to drive fear and desperation and thats when govts make thier moves to fuck people out of thier liberties.

China completely caused this bullshit and lied to cover it up

America could have stopped this months ago and failed too.

No - 151 million didnt die from h1n1 but you would believe me if I wqs CNN and said so. And toilet paper is clearly the item of apocolyptic hoarding. No one fact checks their beloved media. It goes against the confirmation bias established. Fox is just as damn guilty on the right so this is not partisan of me. Only people fact checking are those that never believed any of the media to begin with.

Ive never seen anything in society like this. What is this bailout going to do to us? Create 16 more departments of govt control grids to further usurp our rights?




later on edit** I am not minimizing the value of life here but what about realistic numbers like:

Cancer: 606,880 deaths in 2019 (src: NIH)
Influenza: 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza in 2019 (src: NIH)

I could go on... Influenza is just as transmissible and is dangerous to all ages and walks of life, Covid19 seems to just be significantly dangerous to elderly or those with compromised medical conditions.

Even given the fact that we have advanced immunizations and therapies i.e. Tami-flu etc... the death toll is still alarming for such a common disease.

While cancer is not transmissible I do not see countries dropping 2 TRILLION fucking dollars to solve the horrendous death toll of Cancer?

Cancer is scary only to those who have it and clearly it can't be used by a government to cause mass panic to then install 1984 systems of despotic control because there is no fear of cancer in the general public even though it is significantly more deadly worldwide that all viruses on avg.

But society does NOT freak out on the government level like they have with this virus.

It is almost as if governments worldwide either failed to prevent public hysteria or they are solely, along with the mass media under their direct control, responsible and complicit in causing the mass panic of freaked out people resulting in our country (US) having to drop literally 10% of our GDP into bailing out yet again unknown entities, hundreds of billions to pet projects that have nothing to with this virus, clean air acts, mass transportation, green energy, and every other Nancy Ho-losi and Cuck Schumer based non virus recovery related slush funding for making everyone rich that doesn't have anything to do with any of this.

As a taxpayer and concerned American Citizen I am tired as hell of watching our republic completely pay the bills of the fucking planet. Right now I think my 6 year old will be liable for something like $150,000 of our national debt and will be paying on it for the remainder of his natural born life if our country doesn't collapse before then.

Shall we continue to keep America shut down to save a few, say 50,000 lives and in the process cause a great depression so large that 30 to 40% unemployment is a realistic outcome where 10 to 15 million would be estimated to die of starvation alone? (not my numbers - these are the pundits)

Or do we accept that nature is powerful, we change our social habits, open our economy, get back out there and keep the damn system working so people can get back to work and not cause a depression and mass starvation and mass death out come?

So while it doesn't seem like the UK throttling bandwidth is a big deal, it is a very HUGE deal. It is huge because once the people have decided to allow a govt. to control their internet over nothing but a fear, what can they control next? How much farther can they go the next time something happens? A bombing occurs and now the UK decides to shut off the entire internet so no narrative can be shared except the one they approve? More scenarios?

The UK used to be a very free society, but now its hard to actually find where any of that freedom is. The internet was supposed to be free, it was supposed to outlast and overcome the cancer of govt. speech control, but people always get scared and forfeit their liberty to the govt for temporary safety but the liberty lost is permanently stolen.
 
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I made those numbers up to make a point but never got to finish my point and was unaware my phone submitted the forum post. My 6 year old was screaming at me and I forgot to finish my point.

I was going to state how facts are made up.by the media and people in control to drive fear and desperation and thats when govts make thier moves to fuck people out of thier liberties.

China completely caused this bullshit and lied to cover it up

America could have stopped this months ago and failed too.

No - 151 million didnt die from h1n1 but you would believe me if I wqs CNN and said so. And toilet paper is clearly the item of apocolyptic hoarding. No one fact checks their beloved media. It goes against the confirmation bias established. Fox is just as damn guilty on the right so this is not partisan of me. Only people fact checking are those that never believed any of the media to begin with.

Ive never seen anything in society like this. What is this bailout going to do to us? Create 16 more departments of govt control grids to further usurp our rights?




later on edit** I am not minimizing the value of life here but what about realistic numbers like:

Cancer: 606,880 deaths in 2019 (src: NIH)
Influenza: 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza in 2019 (src: NIH)

I could go on... Influenza is just as transmissible and is dangerous to all ages and walks of life, Covid19 seems to just be significantly dangerous to elderly or those with compromised medical conditions.

Even given the fact that we have advanced immunizations and therapies i.e. Tami-flu etc... the death toll is still alarming for such a common disease.

While cancer is not transmissible I do not see countries dropping 2 TRILLION fucking dollars to solve the horrendous death toll of Cancer?

Cancer is scary only to those who have it and clearly it can't be used by a government to cause mass panic to then install 1984 systems of despotic control because there is no fear of cancer in the general public even though it is significantly more deadly worldwide that all viruses on avg.

But society does NOT freak out on the government level like they have with this virus.

It is almost as if governments worldwide either failed to prevent public hysteria or they are solely, along with the mass media under their direct control, responsible and complicit in causing the mass panic of freaked out people resulting in our country (US) having to drop literally 10% of our GDP into bailing out yet again unknown entities, hundreds of billions to pet projects that have nothing to with this virus, clean air acts, mass transportation, green energy, and every other Nancy Ho-losi and Cuck Schumer based non virus recovery related slush funding for making everyone rich that doesn't have anything to do with any of this.

As a taxpayer and concerned American Citizen I am tired as hell of watching our republic completely pay the bills of the fucking planet. Right now I think my 6 year old will be liable for something like $150,000 of our national debt and will be paying on it for the remainder of his natural born life if our country doesn't collapse before then.

Shall we continue to keep America shut down to save a few, say 50,000 lives and in the process cause a great depression so large that 30 to 40% unemployment is a realistic outcome where 10 to 15 million would be estimated to die of starvation alone? (not my numbers - these are the pundits)

Or do we accept that nature is powerful, we change our social habits, open our economy, get back out there and keep the damn system working so people can get back to work and not cause a depression and mass starvation and mass death out come?

So while it doesn't seem like the UK throttling bandwidth is a big deal, it is a very HUGE deal. It is huge because once the people have decided to allow a govt. to control their internet over nothing but a fear, what can they control next? How much farther can they go the next time something happens? A bombing occurs and now the UK decides to shut off the entire internet so no narrative can be shared except the one they approve? More scenarios?

The UK used to be a very free society, but now its hard to actually find where any of that freedom is. The internet was supposed to be free, it was supposed to outlast and overcome the cancer of govt. speech control, but people always get scared and forfeit their liberty to the govt for temporary safety but the liberty lost is permanently stolen.

Without speaking about any numbers, I can say that, the deaths/hospitalization caused by this new disease are in ADDITION to all existing diseases.

Until we can bring this under control the healthcare system will be heavily stressed
This puts the healthcare workers under severe stress
https://t.co/s46SpqfqJh?amp=1

Which brings me back to the point of this post, we are all going to be under lockdowns for long periods of time, & so the consumption of streaming services is likely to go up along with more bandwith consumption due to work from home activities

(An extract from above link, on why health care workers are at more risk of exposure to this new disease than normal people. In short the viral load they encounter is more & hence more chances of them going to critical stage irrespective of other factors such as age, health, pre-existing conditions etc)

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My god. Every single thread must be about US politics.

Please stop it. Tangoseal, this was low, even for you
 
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