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Make sure your pants are just tight enough to see the outline of your penis. It works for me. I don't work in tech. Nor, do I worry about my job firing me for age. They think I'm in my twenties still. I'll let them keep thinking that. I'm closer to 40 these days.
Thanks for putting that image in my head.........
 

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You were saying... https://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ss...ed_off_by_their_own_ly.html#incart_river_home

Snip of it "
So, when Ed Richardson, the executive director of the state's largest teachers' union, was asked by the IRS to disclose his compensation in 2015, he came clean.

He listed it as $1.2 million in salary and benefits."

The same page shows that it's basically a free-for-all at the union's headquarters in Trenton -- compensation for the top five NJEA officers averaged $764,000 in 2015.

I happily opt out of NJEA.

Yeah, administrative & janitorial unions are more or less dinosaurs.

I was referring to what are currently called "dirty jobs" or what I call dangerous jobs.
 

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As a former IBMer, getting "fired" could be the best thing to ever happen to you.
 

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Thanks for putting that image in my head.........

Somehow I don't think it will work in practice....

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I find it funny that people from other countries think they know better how to run the most successful country in the world.

Successful at what? It really depends on your metric. Sure we look good in GDP per capita, stock market growth, and military power, but we are 18th in the world in happiness, (Costa Rica of all places is ahead of us at #13) , and in income inequality indeces, depending on which one you use we fall pretty far down the list.

We are also failing at social mobility. Your income as an adult is much more likely to be influenced by the income of your parents than in most other industrialized nations, which is particularly sad, as we once prided ourselves on the "only in America" mentality of self made success.

We also have the third highest poverty rate among OECD nations, and our healthcare system, while it does very well for those top few percent who can afford it (which is why it attracts dignitaries from around the world) is absolutely failing for the population as a whole. We fall in #37 according to a much publicized UN study.

I guess my point is, by what measure are you calling the U.S. "the most successful"? Because to me it would seem that the most important metrics are how well our people are doing, and by those measures we are failing abysmally as a nation. I say this as a natural born U.S. citizen, living here now, but having grown up abroad (In Sweden) and traveled a lot.

Incomes may be a little lower in Sweden, but life is much much easier there, especially if you want to have a family.

When it comes to the well being of our people, we, the U.S. are the flaming dumpster fire of the traditional industrialized world.
 

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Successful at what? It really depends on your metric. Sure we look good in GDP per capita, stock market growth, and military power, but we are 18th in the world in happiness, (Costa Rica of all places is ahead of us at #13) , and in income inequality indeces, depending on which one you use we fall pretty far down the list.

We are also failing at social mobility. Your income as an adult is much more likely to be influenced by the income of your parents than in most other industrialized nations, which is particularly sad, as we once prided ourselves on the "only in America" mentality of self made success.

We also have the third highest poverty rate among OECD nations, and our healthcare system, while it does very well for those top few percent who can afford it (which is why it attracts dignitaries from around the world) is absolutely failing for the population as a whole. We fall in #37 according to a much publicized UN study.

I guess my point is, by what measure are you calling the U.S. "the most successful"? Because to me it would seem that the most important metrics are how well our people are doing, and by those measures we are failing abysmally as a nation. I say this as a natural born U.S. citizen, living here now, but having grown up abroad (In Sweden) and traveled a lot.

Incomes may be a little lower in Sweden, but life is much much easier there, especially if you want to have a family.

When it comes to the well being of our people, we, the U.S. are the flaming dumpster fire of the traditional industrialized world.

People are beating down our doors to get here. Why haven't you moved to some of these other places?

EU representatives are elected.

And I'd take technocrats over the know nothing political numbsculls we have any day. Doesn't matter which party they are from. In the U.S. politicians are more likely to win by giving people unattainable feel good messages and bashing their opponents than by actually knowing the business of government.

Don't get me wrong, there is some of this everywhere, but we seem to have it down to a science.

The U.S. would be much better served by a parliamentary system than the system we have now which is fundamentally broken.

Let me guess, everyone of the political numbskulls you would point out have an R by there name.

It's not that simple for most people. Not everyone can walk out the door and into the next job's door - particularly if they are in their mid 50's. With all the offshoring taking place, some jobs are almost impossible to get. For instance a solid 80% of IBM's software dev jobs are going to China and India. All that is left in north america are architecture and management jobs. And the jobs that are there are NOT 9-5 jobs.

We have politicians and people who push for higher wages, unfettered immigration, and lower prices. What the hell do you think is going to happen?

We think the corporations are screwing the worker but those same politicians are advocating for open borders. They are screwing themselves.
 
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There's the smoking gun. This guy was probably making big money, they could pay a Millennial $40k/year and give them a $1500/year bonus and then gloat to shareholders about how much more profitable they were this year. Fast-forward to news article about Millennials killing some industry because they're not buying things for some reason.
So much this. Every big corporation has the same idea of "My shareholders love that I'm letting other companies pay high wages so the bulk of my consumer base can pay the high price of my products," when in reality it as you say. The bulk of the consumers are fast becoming people that only earn 40-50k/year. At some point, this cycle has to break something as people will only be able to afford the bare essentials especially if things like housing continue to rise.
 

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People are beating down our doors to get here. Why haven't you moved to some of these other places?

I lived in one of them for 16 years. It was great, and I have often thought about moving back.

It's difficult to uproot your family and fly across the world though, especially when you have developed a skillset that is very much in demand locally.


Let me guess, everyone of the political numbskulls you would point out have an R by there name.

Nope. Both parties are to blame here, though that said, Republicans particularly in the house, seem to excel at anti-fact decision making. It would be nice to have technocrats who decide based on scientific consensus on the field they are making decisions (economists for economic matters, educational experts on the subject of education, etc. etc.) for a change. We have too much rage and heated rhetoric when what we really need is cold and detached fact based decision-making.
 

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I lived in one of them for 16 years. It was great, and I have often thought about moving back.

It's difficult to uproot your family and fly across the world though, especially when you have developed a skillset that is very much in demand locally.




Nope. Both parties are to blame here, though that said, Republicans particularly in the house, seem to excel at anti-fact decision making. It would be nice to have technocrats who decide based on scientific consensus on the field they are making decisions (economists for economic matters, educational experts on the subject of education, etc. etc.) for a change. We have too much rage and heated rhetoric when what we really need is cold and detached fact based decision-making.

Ah the both sides.... but the Republicans. Those anti-fact guys...

If you like you doctor you can keep it. You will save $2500 a year on premiums. We must pass it to see what's in it.

Or was it lowering taxes? Them rich middle class folk don't need all that money anyways. I'll take keeping more of my money to spend as I please then people dictating policy that do not understand basic economics and human nature.
 

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People are beating down our doors to get here. Why haven't you moved to some of these other places?



Let me guess, everyone of the political numbskulls you would point out have an R by there name.



We have politicians and people who push for higher wages, unfettered immigration, and lower prices. What the hell do you think is going to happen?

We think the corporations are screwing the worker but those same politicians are advocating for open borders. They are screwing themselves.

Yep, the open borders of the last few decades have killed wages here. from breitbart:

Blaine Taylor, the whistleblower, said the construction industry in California once offered a starting wage of about $45 an hour in the late 1980s. Fast-forward to 2018 — nearly two decades into when illegal aliens began flooding the industry — he now says that wages have fallen by more than half, standing at just $11 an hour.

I'm not sure why you need to be a whistleblower to say such a thing but anyways this info on U.S. wages is referenced straight from the census.gov website.

I also have similar experience though it is not having to do with immigrants, legal or illegal, but outsourcing as I helped train my replacements that were based in Costa Rica when HP was going through large cuts in its workforce. When I was looking for a new job and needed some additional training, one of them even offered to let me live with them for a while so I could go to school there. Why? Because a 4year degree there was about $5-6K for computer science. He said that schooling for them was so cheap because they had no military to run but that U.S. military was in essence their military. When I heard that, it really made me wonder what our government is doing that is effectively wiping out middle class America. Without so much spending in military, social security, medicare/medicaid, welfare, etc then would we be enjoying things like cheap schooling? I wonder if Costa Rica has something equivalent to Dept of Education. If not, then yet another department we need to question why it exists.
 
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So who's responsible for driving down wages like that?

Politicians or greedy "capitalist pig" business owners?

Politcians and pigs are different from normal humans and family business owners...
 

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So who's responsible for driving down wages like that?

Politicians or greedy "capitalist pig" business owners?

Politcians and pigs are different from normal humans and family business owners...

I would say both. I used to think George Soros supported all the liberal causes(like open borders) and the Koch Brothers supported conservative causes. Well the Koch brothers also support open borders because they get a lot of cheap labor for their businesses(also from another article on Breitbart). So, in this case it appears both Democrats and Repubs mainly support open borders because they are most likely getting campaign contributions from anyone in big business regardless of party affiliation. I would say this is why you see such a huge backlash against Trump and his wall. Neither side wants that to happen so you get cooked up stories about separating children from parents yet no one had a problem when Obama did it. i.e. It was a policy that existed before Trump.

Go watch Water and Power: a California Heist on Netflix and you will see how intertwined business and politicians are(Jerry Brown's dad for instance). Imagine a state water project that was somehow co-opted and is headquartered inside a private business while it pays its workers peanuts and us consumers pay more and more on our water bill.
 
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So who's responsible for driving down wages like that?

Politicians or greedy "capitalist pig" business owners?

Poliitcians and pigs are different from normal humans and family business owners...
Well it's the whole system that does. CEOs have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits. Wages are a cost of operating, so by definition, their job is to make that number as low as possible. So, they're the "source", but politicians are supposed to represent the people, not whoever has the most money. In a strong democracy, you'd have lots of laws pushing back against exploitation of workers. Instead, the corporations also see they can make even MORE money by lobbying to get the laws changed in their favor, our politicians are corrupt as they come, so they're basically letting the fox run the henhouse.

Having wages driven down as low as possible is the NORM and means things are functioning as intended. The only way to change that is to have a push back somehow. With no push back, they will keep staying low.
 

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Not in an at will state. They just can't fire you for a protected reason (age, race, sex, etc)

As you stated, age is protected reason, even in an at will state. I would assume for that reason just about any half decent lawyer could argue that firing some one for not fitting into a certain generation is age discrimination, and to be fair, it is.
 

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Interesting thread...I'm 45 but not in IT or sales. Still, the thought crosses my mind. I'm socking away 25% into 401k and a healthy bit after that to savings/market to hopefully bridge the gap. I'd like to retire by 50...

hell, if i could save more I would. If you wanna retire early and not mess around with this shit, don't have a family, live low key and get out early.
 

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I find it funny that every state in your country is its own little country with its own little asinine rules.


And yet motherfuckers from all over the world are lining up to ask for a place in pretty much any one of them that will have them.

Go fucking figure.
 
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My country isn't. It's actually the country you crybabies constantly threaten to move to when you're unhappy.

I'd move to Montreal in a heartbeat...if you'd just fix that shitty winter :) I love it up there. Headed to Vancouver in the next few months, let's see how that is. I've heard great things.
 

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To all the people who have bosses, work 9-5, why? Why would any person in their right mind commit to quasi-slavery for a pittance of a wage? I could see if you're making bank like some of my buddies in banking, with asshole bosses breathing down their neck, and then retire after 5 years in IB. If you're making less than $150k post-taxes, why would you commit to such nonsense? It's boggling.

I can understand working to gain experience in some hell hole, taking bitch-made shifts + hours, kissing ass, towing the company line, but for multiple years?

I make less $$$ than I did last year, and even work slightly harder, but being self-employed, is far superior to having to deal with cocksuckers all day long.

The difficult part of work isn't usually the skill required, the hard part is dealing with bastards trying to jockey for power, and every variation of that.


Make 20% less, spend less time in traffic, less mental energy wasted, less stress, life becomes more enjoyable, don't need to rush to make/get coffee. Not having to watch my tongue all the time and agree with everyone or fear repercussions from some jagoff.

I actually make slightly more, with greater long-term potential than staying at a well-paying corporate jay oh bee.

And then there is the other side, Government Contract work. Yea I do my 40 a week, I wouldn't say I have to work hard all the time, (I find time to write a few books here don't I), and my pay is decent for where I live, the cost of living is almost the same here as it is in Austin, TX.

I don't have anyone looking to stab me in the back because I'm not competing with anyone on the ladder, I just have a nice seat staked out on a platform on the second floor. As long as the contract is good, I'm good. If my company looses in a re-compete for the contract, odds are high the new company will keep me on. If not, it's not the end of the world, I'll just be moving over to some other contract.

As long as my shit is tight and our customer(the government dude in charge) is happy with my work, then my company is happy with me. It's not hard to keep the government guy happy, just keep looking out for him and make sure you have his ass covered and your all set.

I will agree with you, it's good to be the king. But it's not without it's pitfalls and the world is a wide wide place with many opportunities available.
 

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My country isn't. It's actually the country you crybabies constantly threaten to move to when you're unhappy.

Belize? Must be nice there :D

Canada is it?

So, if my sources are remotely correct, about 33,000 Canadian citizens immigrate to the US each year as a recent (2001-2006, yes it's older data). And that compares to a recent (2016-2017) totals of 2,500ish Americans being accepted into Canada and those numbers include Visa grants.

33,000 ..... 2.500

I have to admit, the crybaby comment sparked my interest until I realized that you were probably talking about the one's fleeing Oppression under Trump and is illegal seizure of the White House (y) (tongue definitely in cheek).
 
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To all the people who have bosses, work 9-5, why? Why would any person in their right mind commit to quasi-slavery for a pittance of a wage? I could see if you're making bank like some of my buddies in banking, with asshole bosses breathing down their neck, and then retire after 5 years in IB. If you're making less than $150k post-taxes, why would you commit to such nonsense? It's boggling.

I can understand working to gain experience in some hell hole, taking bitch-made shifts + hours, kissing ass, towing the company line, but for multiple years?

I make less $$$ than I did last year, and even work slightly harder, but being self-employed, is far superior to having to deal with cocksuckers all day long.

The difficult part of work isn't usually the skill required, the hard part is dealing with bastards trying to jockey for power, and every variation of that.


Make 20% less, spend less time in traffic, less mental energy wasted, less stress, life becomes more enjoyable, don't need to rush to make/get coffee. Not having to watch my tongue all the time and agree with everyone or fear repercussions from some jagoff.

I actually make slightly more, with greater long-term potential than staying at a well-paying corporate jay oh bee.

I 100% agree with you, but again, it's not for everyone. I broke away from the herd and started my own thing to get away from all the bullshit, drama, and garbage pay (compared to what I could be making on my own). I'd never make this kind of money working for someone else, and it leaves me free to travel every month and see the world, focus on various other companies I'm building, investing, and just generally being far happier and less stressed. It's not without its pitfalls, but then again that's just the way the way it goes for anything really.
 

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Ah the both sides.... but the Republicans. Those anti-fact guys...

If you like you doctor you can keep it.

Yep, that was a silly thing for him to say. It was completely out of his control, and when you change insurers not all of them are going to be in network (but a surprisingly large proportion usually are). This is the problem when you speak in absolutes. For the overwhelming majority of people, what he said was accurate. There were exceptions though.

You will save $2500 a year on premiums.

I don't recall this claim being made, but the truth is, the savings would have been much larger if the individual mandate penalties were larger (it was watered down to get the bill passed, and later killed off by Republicans))

We must pass it to see what's in it.

Yep, classic politician nonsense, agreed.

Or was it lowering taxes? Them rich middle class folk don't need all that money anyways. I'll take keeping more of my money to spend as I please then people dictating policy that do not understand basic economics and human nature.

Now you are completely taking arguments out of context.

No one said the middle class didn't need a tax cut. They argued the wealthy, who overwhelmingly got the largest tax cuts by orders of magnitude shouldn't be getting them. Dems are generally for middle class tax cuts, shifting more of the tax burden to the higher income levels.

Either way, this is not really relevant, the point I was getting at is as follows:

The Democratic Politicians* usually follow the following playbook:
1.) Take a great idea based in scientific research / expert opinion
2.) Bring it to committee, where it is watered down and amended to hell to serve big donor interests.
3.) Pass a bill which resembles the idea from #1 above in name only
4.) Pat eachother on the backs for having "solved the problem" when having done nothing of the sort.
5.) Rinse and repeat

Republican Politicians* usually follow the follow following playbook:
1.) Have industry come up with a novel idea that would greatly benefit the wealthy and corporations at the benefit of everyone else.
2.) Send it through the filter of the think tanks and sprinkling it with pseudoscientific nonsense and/or supply side economics to give it the marketing treatment and make it sound like it benefits everyone
3.) Have Fox News plaster the one sided coverage 24/7 going into a vote in order to trick/fool the base into supporting something that is not in their own interest
4.) Pass a law
5.) When everything falls apart blame the opposition when they have to make the difficult decisions to fix the mess.

*note how I am specifying politicians here, as this tends to be how the politicians approach things, not the voters for either party as a whole.

Both sides have negative outcomes. The Democratic playbook is at least based in some sort of fact, but it results in garbage. The republican playbook results in laws that are outright hostile to most people. I hate them both, but if I had to choose, I reluctantly go with the watered down shell laws that barely help anyone, rather than the laws that directly hurt lots of people.


Since you brought up the example of the recent tax cut, this is the perfect example. Regular middle class joes like myself get a small temporary tax cut that eventually goes away and later turns into a tax increase after a few years. My temporary tax cut amounts to about $120 per month. Not much to write home about.

Millionaires, Billionaires and corporations however got a enormous permanent tax cut, resulting in one of the largest increases in in the national debt in history. This from the party which claims to be fiscally responsible. And now they are setting their sights on Social Security and Medicare cuts to pay for it, screwing over middle class and poor people even more than before.

All to do what? Stimulate the economy? Unemployment rates were already at record lows, and now the fed is going to have to raise interest rates to make sure we don't have runaway inflation, further increasing the costs of most normal people by a greater amount than they saved in the tax cuts in the first place.

All these tax cuts accomplished was to create a massive money funnel from the poor and middle classes to the ultra wealthy, while fooling the middle class they were getting a substantive tax break.

Anyway, I'm going to shut up now. I don't want to get this thread any more locked than it is likely already going to be :p
 

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Four million Americans turn 18 each year and begin looking for good jobs in the free market — but the government provides green cards to roughly 1 million legal immigrants and gives temporary work-permits to roughly 3 million foreign workers.
The Washington-imposed economic policy of economic growth via immigration shifts wealth from young people towards older people by flooding the market with cheap foreign labor. That process spikes profits and Wall Street values by cutting salaries for manual and skilled labor offered by blue-collar and white-collar employees. The policy also drives up real estate prices, widens wealth-gaps, reduces high-tech investment, increases state and local tax burdens, hurts kids’ schools and college education, pushes Americans away from high-tech careers, and sidelines at least 5 million marginalized Americans and their families, including many who are now struggling with opioid addictions.

That said, Iowa's Low Unemployment rate results in raise in wages. If the above statement is true, something the site harps on quite a bit, then your 50 and 60 year olds don't have a chance unless they don't mind going from "I'll have a double-shot macchiato, with nonfat milk and nutmeg" while paying with their iPhone to "would you like fries with that?"

On a side note, I think Zarathustra's Democrat/Republican compare and contrast above reminds me of that South Park episode where the U.S. can get away with attacking anyone because our country is so polarized. You have the war-monger, freedom loving populace and the peace and love crowd condemning any acts of war telling the foreign country how much they support their cause.
 
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Well it's the whole system that does. CEOs have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits. Wages are a cost of operating, so by definition, their job is to make that number as low as possible. So, they're the "source", but politicians are supposed to represent the people, not whoever has the most money. In a strong democracy, you'd have lots of laws pushing back against exploitation of workers. Instead, the corporations also see they can make even MORE money by lobbying to get the laws changed in their favor, our politicians are corrupt as they come, so they're basically letting the fox run the henhouse.

Having wages driven down as low as possible is the NORM and means things are functioning as intended. The only way to change that is to have a push back somehow. With no push back, they will keep staying low.

Yeah, unions are bad...

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I'd move to Montreal in a heartbeat...if you'd just fix that shitty winter :) I love it up there. Headed to Vancouver in the next few months, let's see how that is. I've heard great things.

Sounds like you visited some strip clubs in Montreal...
 

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And then there is the other side, Government Contract work. Yea I do my 40 a week, I wouldn't say I have to work hard all the time, (I find time to write a few books here don't I), and my pay is decent for where I live, the cost of living is almost the same here as it is in Austin, TX.

I don't have anyone looking to stab me in the back because I'm not competing with anyone on the ladder, I just have a nice seat staked out on a platform on the second floor. As long as the contract is good, I'm good. If my company looses in a re-compete for the contract, odds are high the new company will keep me on. If not, it's not the end of the world, I'll just be moving over to some other contract.

As long as my shit is tight and our customer(the government dude in charge) is happy with my work, then my company is happy with me. It's not hard to keep the government guy happy, just keep looking out for him and make sure you have his ass covered and your all set.

I will agree with you, it's good to be the king. But it's not without it's pitfalls and the world is a wide wide place with many opportunities available.

Go sit in the corner & pretend to read this book...
 

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Four million Americans turn 18 each year and begin looking for good jobs in the free market — but the government provides green cards to roughly 1 million legal immigrants and gives temporary work-permits to roughly 3 million foreign workers.
The Washington-imposed economic policy of economic growth via immigration shifts wealth from young people towards older people by flooding the market with cheap foreign labor. That process spikes profits and Wall Street values by cutting salaries for manual and skilled labor offered by blue-collar and white-collar employees. The policy also drives up real estate prices, widens wealth-gaps, reduces high-tech investment, increases state and local tax burdens, hurts kids’ schools and college education, pushes Americans away from high-tech careers, and sidelines at least 5 million marginalized Americans and their families, including many who are now struggling with opioid addictions.

That said, Iowa's Low Unemployment rate results in raise in wages.

How does "flooding the market with cheap foreign labor" ~ "shifts wealth from young people towards older people"?
 

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How does "flooding the market with cheap foreign labor" ~ "shifts wealth from young people towards older people"?

I got it backwards. That whole quote was at the end of the article saying why we have had stagnant wages yet the reduction in immigration, i.e. competition for jobs, seems to have reached Iowa where businesses are no longer seeing huge stacks of applications and are now actually having to compete for workers. Breitbart likes to include that in just about every employment article so are basically saying "see, you lower immigration rates and wages increase." Whether that is actually true, I'm not sure, because it seems like a pretty short time span for this to happen already. I like reading it though as it speaks to my confirmation bias. To me, again if it is true, it is the main thing we should be concerned about if we would like to close the wealth-gap. Also, it highlights the problem in the OP that your over 40 crowd will NOT have an easier time in the job market due to an overabundance of available cheap labor.
 
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Go sit in the corner & pretend to read this book...


I'm not sure what you mean.

I don't pretend to do anything. I'm pretty good at what I do and truthfully not a lot of people know how to do it properly. My responsibilities are narrowly defined and although I assist in other areas I am not required to do so.

And I'm getting a little long in the tooth myself, but in this environment that isn't seen as a detractor, it's an advantage. We have people still working here after normal retirement because they can still earn a little and not hurt their taxes so they work reduced hour work weeks. I may do it myself for a bit, but when actual retirement comes I'll be looking for the door, not to hang on to it.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean

Maybe I misunderstood you?

I do my 40 a week, I wouldn't say I have to work hard all the time

I don't have anyone looking to stab me in the back because I'm not competing with anyone

Sounds like all you have to do is...

Go sit in the corner & pretend to read this book...

PS: I am familiar w/ the IBM ecosystem & dinosaur jokes. I was making a joke & you missed it.
 

Burticus

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TLDR, good luck with that lawsuit dude, seriously. IBM has infinite money and lawyers though.

The company I'm at likes to hire new blood, but we have a really good mix of new and old... young punks bring energy while us old timers (I'm 46, LOL) who have been in the industry for 20 years have seen a little bit of everything. And for the older, not really super technical set, they need project managers and Excel / Visio / Powerpoint wizards too. As long as I'm not the oldest guy in the building it'll be fine :)
 

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I 100% agree with you, but again, it's not for everyone. I broke away from the herd and started my own thing to get away from all the bullshit, drama, and garbage pay (compared to what I could be making on my own). I'd never make this kind of money working for someone else, and it leaves me free to travel every month and see the world, focus on various other companies I'm building, investing, and just generally being far happier and less stressed. It's not without its pitfalls, but then again that's just the way the way it goes for anything really.


A reliable paycheck and more affordable health insurance are high in the list.

Most people who are in business for themselves need to have a spouse working a steady 9-5 just to make sure they can get good insurance, and have a paycheck just in case business is slow.

Besides, no matter what you do you always have a boss. It may not be a higher ranking employee, but you still have customers.

That, and the stress of variable income would be way greater to me than the frustration of the 9-5 office environment.
 

TroyTalksNoMore

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How does "flooding the market with cheap foreign labor" ~ "shifts wealth from young people towards older people"?

I got it backwards.

So what you really meant to say was:

"flooding the market with cheap foreign labor" ~ "shifts wealth from older people to foreigners..."

...just about every employment article so are basically saying "see, you lower immigration rates and wages increase."

I was in construction for 20+ years & illegal immigration decimated US wages.

I moved to tech for 10 years & saw H1* visa's from India & China & outsourcing decimate US wages.

To me, again if it is true, it is the main thing we should be concerned about if we would like to close the wealth-gap.

So you think we should spread wealth to the rest of the world & FUCK AMERICA - FUCK YEAH !

obama spread the wealth
 
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TroyTalksNoMore

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A reliable paycheck and more affordable health insurance are high in the list.

Most people who are in business for themselves need to have a spouse working a steady 9-5 just to make sure they can get good insurance, and have a paycheck just in case business is slow.

Besides, no matter what you do you always have a boss. It may not be a higher ranking employee, but you still have customers.

That, and the stress of variable income would be way greater to me than the frustration of the 9-5 office environment.

The cycle of "feast or famine" for the self-employed is really hard for people who are not married to health insurance holders.
 
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