I need flawlessly binned DDR4 RAM. What's the good stuff?

Aegir

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I'm looking for memory chips that are essentially flawless on the silicon level.
I'm not looking to overclock, nor do I care if the chips themselves are extremely fast.

I need this flawless memory for critical applications that cannot ever have any errors or glitches.

It's fine if it's consumer grade, as long as it's the best binned stuff available.
A breakdown by brand of what they consider best binned is ideal.
 

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I wish, but no. The motherboard I required for this application happened to be a consumer one, so registered RAM is out of the question.
I'd prefer EUDIMMs, but I'm having trouble actually sourcing them.

I'll probably just have to use consumer grade DIMMs, so all I'm after is the best binned stuff I can get, at a low price. $100-$150 for 32GB is my goal.
 
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any specific speeds? or standard 2133/2400mhz work?
(also are you in the US or elsewhere?)
 
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Your best bet would probably be kingston udimm ECC (provided your motherboard can accept ECC udimm modules) heres a picture of their 16 gb modules of varying speeds and timings:
It is however a bit out of your price range (about $200 for 2 sticks of 16gb)

They can be found on amazon, newegg or any other normal site if you're USA

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Thanks for that information, Spartacus.

You prefer Hynix? I was aiming for some Micron, but that's just because I happen to have a bunch of Crucial MX500s that seem to be working fine for me.

But loyalty only goes so far.

What's the deal with TridentZ Royal? It looks ridiculous, but I sorta assume that it represents the best binned stuff they get?
Well, they seem to have two big divisions within their Royal branding: One that's about $300 for 32GB and one that's about $150 for 32GB.

Is there any difference there? Just the chip manufacturer, right? Samsung vs Hynix vs Micron? But if it's "Royal", I assume they're all highest binned?

And as for EUDIMMs, which is what you mentioned above, is it worth it? ECC Unbuffered/Unregistered.
I'm routing internet and data, and many people would suggest getting ECC for a NAS as well as using ECC on a router.

This is for a NAS Router setup. I'm building a machine that specifically has 2.5 gigabit ethernet, in order to help out my friend who has a 2.5gb ethernet ITX build. Well, that's their main computer, so I wanted to make sure the NAS aspect of this is fully compatible with their ethernet speed. And it's cheaper than getting a server motherboard.

Plus I'm loading this with a 4-port 10 gigabit ethernet NIC as well, so this machine functions as both a high-end router and a NAS, plus anything else that would be cool to do with something this over-provisioned.

So essentially, I would want the RAM to be stable, but also a decent value, and beyond just that, I want it to work well with the 3600x that's going into it. This machine won't be making money or even be "actually" mission critical, but I'm treating it as if it were, for the sake of a proper hobby project that can help me develop some cool networking skills.

And yeah, I'm in the US, so Newegg/Amazon/whatever is fine with me. For speed, I'm looking for maximum speed, as long as it runs error-free. 3600 MHz is ideal, of course, just so I can get that 1800 FCLK. But 3200MHz is of course the top I'll find for ECC stuff. I'll probably experiment with overclocking it, if I end up getting ECC RAM.

But I'd still like your opinion on if it's even necessary. Just the best binned consumer stuff might be fine. But ECC is for sure a temptation. One I'd be more willing to dive into if my wallet was larger. =p

Any input?
 
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My opinion, for what it is worth:
Gskill ram is good at speed
Crucial ram is the most reliable on the planet at sane speeds
Corsair is average and changes batch to batch
Kingston is variable

Samsung > Micron > Hynix in general these days.
 

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My opinion, for what it is worth:
Gskill ram is good at speed
Crucial ram is the most reliable on the planet at sane speeds
Corsair is average and changes batch to batch
Kingston is variable

Samsung > Micron > Hynix in general these days.

Crucial RAM is the most reliable on the planet, period.

Their old 2gb ballistix tracer DIMMs had JMicron D9 chips in them, I had a 2x2gb kit that did DDR3 1600 6-6-6-18 1T @ 2.2 - 2.25v, memory worked perfectly fine after the tests were done. This was with a phenom 2 that had an indestructible IMC.
 

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Crucial RAM is the most reliable on the planet, period.

Their old 2gb ballistix tracer DIMMs had JMicron D9 chips in them, I had a 2x2gb kit that did DDR3 1600 6-6-6-18 1T @ 2.2 - 2.25v, memory worked perfectly fine after the tests were done. This was with a phenom 2 that had an indestructible IMC.

On the flip side the Micron DDR2 Ballistix were garbage. I don't think any of the stuff I used lasted more than a year or so.
 

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So I think I've decided to get some Ballistix then.
Non-Reg ECC just seems a bit too hard to find, so without many proper choices, I don't feel like this is something people actually use or need.

Is there a real difference between RAM with a fancy RGB heatsink vs RAM without?

For instance, Crucial sells their Ballistix stuff, but they also sell a bare CT2K16G4DFRA32A module. I'm sure I could clock it manually, but is there a chip/PCB quality difference at hand here?
Could the bare stuff actually be better? I don't have much information on this.
 

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So I think I've decided to get some Ballistix then.
Non-Reg ECC just seems a bit too hard to find, so without many proper choices, I don't feel like this is something people actually use or need.

Is there a real difference between RAM with a fancy RGB heatsink vs RAM without?

For instance, Crucial sells their Ballistix stuff, but they also sell a bare CT2K16G4DFRA32A module. I'm sure I could clock it manually, but is there a chip/PCB quality difference at hand here?
Could the bare stuff actually be better? I don't have much information on this.

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/1X5-001S-002T4
 
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So I think I've decided to get some Ballistix then.
Non-Reg ECC just seems a bit too hard to find, so without many proper choices, I don't feel like this is something people actually use or need.

Is there a real difference between RAM with a fancy RGB heatsink vs RAM without?

For instance, Crucial sells their Ballistix stuff, but they also sell a bare CT2K16G4DFRA32A module. I'm sure I could clock it manually, but is there a chip/PCB quality difference at hand here?
Could the bare stuff actually be better? I don't have much information on this.

You would have to select a specific DIMM to compare the chips used, in my experience the PCBs are all usually fine, its the actual silicon that matters. Anecdotally, I have found the most reliable memory DIMMs to either be the extremely high end ones with heat spreaders (which are usually just for looks, they might insulate more heat than they dissipate) or the generic looking ones with bare PCB's. Mid range stuff with heat spreaders is usually a turn-off for me.
 
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I wasn’t clear earlier: if it were me, I would buy those crucial ecc sticks.
 

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I bought Ballistix Max, and I plan on downclocking them.
It'll hurt, but I think the quality of the silicon is more important than guarding against cosmic rays.

According to some study done by Google, most RAM errors are hard errors, caused by defects in the silicon.

Better silicon means less errors, and downclocking good RAM that can run at 4000 MHz at CL18 to 3200Mhz at CL16 will ensure as close to perfect reading and writing as possible.

Sorry Keljian; I'd love to take your advice, but further research has implied that ECC in modern times isn't very valuable compared to simply using good silicon.
 

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Sorry Keljian, I'd love to take your advice, but further research has implied that ECC in modern times isn't very valuable compared to simply using good silicon.
All good, someone once told me “do what works, then, do what works!”
 
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