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Critofur said:Passing more laws to try to stop piracy is a TERRIBLE idea.
omg thats the funnest thing ive seen in long time /sadDON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY!
Wondernerd said:So theft isn't wrong if the guy has a lot of money?
Critofur said:Who's stealing what? I'm so sick of ignorant people mistaking copyright infringment for theft. Even the US Supreme Court says infringment is infringment, not theft. Please.
And, Microsoft is not a guy, it is a corporation. In general corporations are amoral or immoral, so while stealing is wrong, if it's going to be done, I'd rather it done to corporations than to individuals.
ruhk said:No, its stealing. Go take Law 101 and you will learn the difference between copyright infringement and theft. God the general ignorance on this forum amazes me.
If I wanted to make a game called Doom3, now that would be copyright infringement.
Newsboys2004 said:Sorry, dumb kids, but your STEALING.
When you choose to take a product that isn't yours, it doesn't matter if you took the digital version, or you took a normal version from a store, you STOLE a product that you didn't buy. It's as simple as that.
Newsboys2004 said:BTW...
www.dictionary.com
Main Entry: 1copy·right
Pronunciation: 'kä-pE-"rIt
Function: noun
: a person's exclusive right to reproduce, publish, or sell his or her original work of authorship (as a literary, musical, dramatic, artistic, or architectural work
in·fringe·ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-frnjmnt)
n.
A violation, as of a law, regulation, or agreement; a breach.
Yes, it really sounds like what you piraters are doing is violating a person's ability to sell their software
Oh wait, wasn't one of your dumb arguments that what you doesn't affect sales?
I guess it sort of sucks when you get caught in your own web of lies... Any answer you give now will only make you look foolish.
If you weren't so dumb you'd realize that 'Copyright infringement' is simply the legal term they use for the stealing you do.
re·pro·duce ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rpr-ds, -dys)
v. re·pro·duced, re·pro·duc·ing, re·pro·duc·es
v. tr.
To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
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Newsboys2004 said:Idiot. There's a HUGE difference between making a copy of something, like an artist, and taking something, which is what you're doing...
You can say you're making a copy, but what you're doing is taking it. You're stealing, plain and simple.
Newsboys2004 said:...
Oh wait, wasn't one of your dumb arguments that what you doesn't affect sales?
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Newsboys2004 said:...
I guess it sort of sucks when you get caught in your own web of lies...
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Newsboys2004 said:...
Any answer you give now will only make you look foolish.
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ruhk said:No, its stealing. Go take Law 101 and you will learn the difference between copyright infringement and theft. God the general ignorance on this forum amazes me.
Newsboys2004 said:Idiot. There's a HUGE difference between making a copy of something, like an artist, and taking something, which is what you're doing...
You can say you're making a copy, but what you're doing is taking it. You're stealing, plain and simple.
Newsboys2004 said:Thing is, you don't want to admit you steal for one simple reason: You want to anything to make yourself feel that what your doing is right. If it's to make yourself feel like Robin Hood, if it's to twist what the supreme court says, ANYTHING.
If a prosecutor trys to prosecute a software pirate under theft statues the judge will laugh while his case get's thrown out, and probably think he's a real idiot.Newsboys2004 said:Except it's not right. And one day, you may hafta pay for your crimes. And when you're sitting in jail, please tell us that what you're doing wasn't stealing. Thanks.
Newsboys2004 said:Oh wow, a couple morons gave me a definition of 'reproduce' and now they think they own me! While picking and choosing what parts of what I said to answer back (The only parts they can) I might add...
We may as well be on the school yard, and when one of us says something, you dumb kids could say 'Oh yeah! You're a weener head!'
Grow up kids.
The reproduce part was PART of what I said, if you actually read what I wrote. And yes, what I said was the excuse that ALOT of piraters make.
Thing is, you don't want to admit you steal for one simple reason: You want to anything to make yourself feel that what your doing is right. If it's to make yourself feel like Robin Hood, if it's to twist what the supreme court says, ANYTHING.
Except it's not right. And one day, you may hafta pay for your crimes. And when you're sitting in jail, please tell us that what you're doing wasn't stealing. Thanks.
BTW, I'm a democrat.
Newsboys2004 said:...
BTW, I'm a democrat.
Wondernerd said:Since people have always murdered each other, still murder each other and will keep murdering each until there is nobody left to murder, Laws forbiding the killing of another person should be abolished. Besides, some people just need killing.
He didn't say a thing about abolishing laws against copyright infringement. Murder is already illegal, do we need more laws against it?Critofur said:Passing more laws to try to stop piracy is a TERRIBLE idea. .
WickedAngel said:10:1 says these moral crusaders have at least one illegal MP3 on their hard-drive
steal ...
v. intr.
To commit theft. ...
theft
\Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief
Wondernerd said:The way I see it, Copyright Infringement is theft. It may not be legally prosecutable as theft, but there is still a financial loss. You are getting a product without paying for it. I also don't buy the "People downloading it will buy it anyway unless they are the kind of people who weren't going to buy it anyway" theory. ...
Cardboard Hammer said:He didn't say a thing about abolishing laws against copyright infringement. Murder is already illegal, do we need more laws against it?
Wondernerd said:Copying isn't stealing. I'm fairly certain I didn't say Copy=Theft. I did say that taking a product and using it as much as you want with out paying for it when payment is expected for the product is stealing. I also feel that forcing me to pay 40 dollars for the White Album that I already have on LP and Cassette is stealing.
Since Copyright Infringement requires copying, then you did effectively state that "Copy=Theft", at least in cases where the copying constitutes infringement.Wondernerd said:The way I see it, Copyright Infringement is theft. ...
Wondernerd said:He said the only way to stop piracy is to make all software free. Which would neutralize most copyright infringement laws. Murder laws change and are added and removed all the time. The way to end murder would be to make muder legal. See, because it wouldn't be muder anymore.
There's all manner of bullshit in the titles of Acts. Also, whether the DOJ considers it theft or not can't be determined by the title of the Act, as the DOJ didn't create it; the DOJ has zero power to create laws.Wondernerd said:Copyright laws also change all the time. The 1997 NET(No Electonic Theft) Act made it criminal to make unauthorized copies, i.e. exceeds fair use or is distributed to the point of causing the point of exceeding 1000$US aggregate (going from memory. I'm sure I got the exacts wrong). So, the Federal government attaches criminal penalties to you taking more then 1000$US from a copyright holder. I call that theft and considering Theft is in the title of the act, so does the DOJ.
Met-AL said:and then I came accross EA NBA Live 2004. Hmm....let's see what that is. Big mistake. Entertainment Software Association contacted my ISP and I got my one and final warning from them. The next time I am caught doing anything questionable, I lose my braodband service.
Why should they get paid for used games? They were paid when the game was bought the first time. They don't need to get paid more than once for a game.Raedon said:Just wanted to throw this out there. Game developers don't get paid when you buy a game used. In fact they have been trying to ban used game sales in Japan for almost a decade.
Is buying a used game bad? obviously not if you can buy a used car. It is the same thing as downloading the game though. The only difference is what is in your checking account.
Seemed pretty obvious to me that's what you meant.CrouchingTiger said:Well obviously my store credit came from previously bought games. That's why I said "free" with quotes.