HP Pavilion dv1708nr aka $399 laptop review

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I picked up this notebook this morning at best buy, which was on sale for over $200 off. Excellent deal, and as my review shows this hp model is surprisingly high quality for the price.

Specifications:
Intel Celeron M 410 Yonah core
940 Chipset
950 GMA graphics
512MB DDR2 533 cas4
60GB Hitachi 8mb sata
14.0 widescreen display (made by samsung) with truebright
Broadcom PCI-E wifi b/g
1394
High Definition audio
6 cell 4000mah battery
Philips CDRW/DVD scb5265
Windows XP Home

Initial impressions:
When I first opened the box it was packaged very typically: laptop with styrofoam holders and a cardboard box holding all accessories. Everything was neatly set and it was easy to put together. The notebook has a good outer shell, the design is standard for this model line. Overall it seems to be solid and usable with its silver plastic and front speakers. I was surprised to find a remote that fits into the PCMCIA slot when not in use, and 3 USB+firewire. This does not look or feel like a cheap laptop. Boot time was quick from BIOS but bloatware made it chug, even with 512MB memory. Fortunately none of the uninstallation forced me to do anything more than wait around at the add/remove window.

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Very little options in the BIOS which is typical though it left me wanting more information (this is coming from a DFI fan) but the spartan menus did provide ample data to know what to expect from the laptop, nothing more.

SCREEN:
Crisp, clear and beautiful. Mine came with no dead pixels and has a native resolution of 1280x768 which is great for desktop use. Higher pixels are preferred but for the price it is pretty much amazing. Good detail and excellent visability give this screen a 10/10, which isn't too surprising since HP has been focusing on media inclined PCs for years. Reflective surface is not a problem mostly due to its high brightness, though a flaw can be found when pressing on the top of the lid: The front of the screen is very well protected but the rear is not, it is easy to ripple or possibly damage the lcd via the top of the laptop.




KEYBOARD AND MOUSE:
Unfortunately HP decided to use a small touchpad on this model, which is not forgiving to my big fingers. Another assumed part of an HP package is the ability to turn the touchpad off at the push of a button which was included. The keyboard is for the most part well made and designed well, the power button is a textured silver plastic but comes off as cheap. The arrow keys are highlighted and large, a nice touch. Function keys are placed poorly and it is easy to put your laptop into standby mode while trying to turn the brightness up or down. The entertainment buttons on top are typical blue as is with every other light on the case, which isn't an issue. Keyboard does not flex, though not very comfortable for touch typers.



PORTABILITY:
5.5 pounds and 14.0 screen make the HP dv1708nr an easy to carry laptop. I find it very well suited for school or work, you can carry it with you without hesitation. It seems to be just thin enough and just light enough to consider it a lightweight though the thickness was noticable. Reducing this by a few millimeters would have helped a lot.

GRAPHICS:
Intel GMA 950 graphics are subpar for real gaming but are just fine for older games. For example CS 1.6 played back well at native resolution but BF2 wouldnt load. For the price? Nothing can come close. It is quite faster than the original 900 GMA graphics, but that isnt saying much. Half Life Source runs very slowly.

UPGRADEABILITY:
UPDATE Because this laptop uses the 940 chipset as opposed to the normal 945, it upgrade path is very restricted. You cannot upgrade beyond a Celeron M processor with this board, and the dv1708nr is marked down again for using both DIMM slots. Basically, you really don't have an upgrade path save for hard drive and ram.

POWER:
The Celeron M 410 runs at 1.46ghz with 1mb L2 cache and 533 front side bus, making it pretty much a core solo from an architecture standpoint save for speedstep. At stock ram size it is capable, but when a 512 is added (making it 768 total) helps quite a bit in multitasking. Using CoreAVC you can play back HD content at 60-70% cpu usage, a fine example of the power of yonah.

BATTERY LIFE: Amazing. I can't believe this thing goes for over 3 hours on a 6 cell and a celeron. Out of all the positive aspects, the battery life is the best part.

ACCESSORIES: There is a useful remote that is included which controls volume, DVD playback, channel up/down, power and up/down arrows. It uses a conventional CR2016 battery and smartly fits in the PCMCIA slot when not in use. As is the case with more and more laptops there are no reinstall CDs only an AOL disk which was quickly burned. A 6 in 1 media card reader (which fortunately includes xd) adds a nice touch to this laptop which also solidifies HP's approach to the multimedia side of PC's.



Overall:
7/10

If you can get it for $399... 9/10.

Pros:
65nm yonah (i know this is very common, but its rare this cheap)
Good screen
Excellent battery life
good upgrade path
Unbeatable price
Respectable performance

Cons:
940 chipset is limited to celeron only!
Subpar touchpad
Loud CDRW/DVD drive
bad power supply input location (I mean, it sucks)
Lots and lots of bloatware
wrists cover up speakers
 
I'm loving mine so far, this is a ton of performance for $399. DVD's look beautiful w/ the brightview screen, and it runs older games pretty good. I've been pulling some classics out of the closet for some old school LAN action; it can handle Raven Shield, BF1942, Generals, Allied Assault, etc at medium settings or better. Also the scrollbar and the back button right next to the touchpad really speed up web browsing w/o an external mouse. IMO the best deal evar here at the [H].
 
Yea I was doing work and shit sunday and missed this as the store near me was sold out. I would have picked it up for my little bro(hes 8 and this would have been good for him to take to his grandparents). Yea I know thats young but he takes good care of his stuff. O well maybe next time. Enjoy your system dude.
 
Polish Ninja said:
it can handle Raven Shield, BF1942, Generals, Allied Assault, etc at medium settings or better.[H].

Wait, you got BF1942 to work? I can't get it to work on mine.
 
Hmm, I haven't had any problems getting 1942 to run. I've got it + Road to Rome & the 1.61 patch installed. I don't know if it makes any difference but I went to the Intel site and got the latest chipset and video drivers, I believe Windows Update also got the latest audio drivers.
 
I got the same laptop. Unfortunately...no path for the video. Here's the mobo:

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And a bit more detail under the fan:

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I just ordered some 667 ram and a T2400 cpu. Hope it all works with this board. The PDF manual says there's a special mobo just for laptops sold at Best Buy. Hope they didn't screw us over. After this, I'll be grabbing a 100gb 7200 HDD and a DVD+/-RW. I'll update when I learn more.
 
Another note or two...

Battery life - Considering it is a 4amp battery, 3 hours is awesome. I'll end up getting one of the 12 cell batteries later on, It adds some height to the back of the laptop, should be ok.

The screen ghosts a bit when scrolling text up and down while surfing the web.

Dxdiag shows a 945gm Express chipset with 128MB of ram. Shame the GPU is hard installed.

The USB ports are all spread out. One just south of center-left, and two on each corner of the right side. Very nice.

The new Express Card setup sucks...now. I have a PCMCIA based ISP (Xanadoo.com - Works anywhere in town at 700kb/s down by 128K up.) that I can't use with this laptop. I have seen some info on a USB dongle that has a PCMCIA socket, but I haven't tried it.

The Wireless card on/off switch is buggy. I turn it off when I'm on batteries at work, and when I go to turn it on, it's a crap shoot. Sometimes I have to reboot the PC to get it working again.

Not sure why the Expansion Port 2 is on the left side. It seems useless. The docking station is a joke, and there's no need for the A/V cable, the laptop comes with an S-Video port and a remote already. The location would be better served as a standard PCMCIA slot or an extra USB or Firewire port. (Yes, I understand that the CPU would be in the way of a PCMCIA port, I'm just saying, this port should be on the back. It's something that most people won't use.)

The speakers have NO bass response. Not that I expect deep bass, but it is noticeable. The dual headphone jacks are a great idea, perfect for trips with friends.


All in all, it's a great deal. Don't buy it to play games, it's only good for older games, and they can have problems with the widescreen resolutions. The included remote is wonderful. It controls all programs, not just the included DVD/Music software. It even controls the Vongo proprietary player.

Also, a note on speed. Using BOINC to run Seti At Home - The BOINC client runs benchmarks. This celeron is just as fast at crunching numbers as my 2.53 GHZ P4.

My systems with SiSoft

Dell 2650 - 1.7 Mobile P4 - 4228 MIPS - 1225/2267 MFLOPS
HP dv1708nr - 1.4 Celeron M - 5478 MIPS - 1966/2546 MFLOPS
Dimension 2400 - 2.53 P4 - 6492 MIPS - 1867/3414 MFLOPS
Dimension 4600 - 3.2 HT P4 - 9937 MIPS - 3815/7104 MFLOPS
 
Question. Does the dv1708 have speed throttling? I know that Intel disables the Speedstep technology with the Celeron chips, but it is built into the yonah processor. I downloaded Speedswitch XP and it appears to make the CPU change speeds. Can someone confirm this? If it works, that would definitely extend the battery life.
 
No speedstep on the Celeron. It always runs at 1.46Ghz.

I tried that software, and it only shows the lower speed when nothing is running. As soon as an application starts to use the CPU, it kicks back up. Sisoft and DXDiag both show 1.46 Ghz even with it set to max battery life.
 
Technoob said:
awesome deal


I know! I hope another one comes out in the next few weeks. I need something to tie me over for a year, and this laptop aint cutting it.


I like the size and weight of the HP dv1708nr, but I have one question - is it loud?


Since my laptop has a celeron, it doesn't have speedstep. Every so often (too often), a fan turns on and it's quite loud. Kind of annoying...how's the HP?
 
My fan seems to run all the time...but I keep the CPU at 100% with Setiathome. It's nearly silent and the heat isn't that much of a problem.
 
Does anyone know if this is a Dual Channel board? Looks like I screwed up and bought one 1gb chip instead of twin 512's like I though I had done...Can't find anything that says Single or Dual channel on the memory.
 
JBavousett said:
Does anyone know if this is a Dual Channel board? Looks like I screwed up and bought one 1gb chip instead of twin 512's like I though I had done...Can't find anything that says Single or Dual channel on the memory.

Sounds like you just need to order another 1gb stick. :D

To answer the question I'm not sure but you would think it would support it. Just use cpuz and check with the ram that came with it.
 
Major Kudos to you! Yep, it's Dual Channel. Just ordered a second stick.

FYI- I contacted the seller, and he hadn't shipped yet, so I had him swap it over to two 512's. They're OCZ (OCZ2667512VSO) 5-5-5-15...not the fastest, but should easily be compatible. (From Tigerdirect.com - $117.18 total with a $5 rebate shipped UPS Second Day Air)

Here's the factory ram latency (4-4-4-12)

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Does anyone have any idea on when these might..if ever come back? For 399 bones, it seems like it should suit my girlfriend just fine. Is there a way I could pre-order it or something? LMK thanks.
 
Good luck with that. This is a much better laptop than most $399 laptops. But if you're willing to deal with rebates, go to Circuit City and pick up the Acer with the 1.8Ghz Pentium M and good specs. It does have a larger screen, 15.4" widescreen.
 
Big old sticker on the palmrest says Vista Ready. It should run x64 when the new Core 2 duo chips come out, assuming that the bois on the board will support them.
 
Yes, it looks like its Vista compatible. The 945GM chipset supports the capability of Vista.
 
Little update. Got the CPU in today. Unfortunately it is as I feared...you must have the 667 ram for the 667 cpu to work. I assumed this to be true, but I thought I'd try it out anyway. Wouldn't even post to an error. It's funny, from the bottom, the Celeron and the T2400 are exact twins. Not one difference. Same on the top, aside from the letters on the black labels and the last three digits on the PCB etching. Well, the ram should be here tomorrow, so I'll do a full walkthrough on the upgrade and then post the benchmarking results.
 
Well, I screwed up. The ram works great, but HP did bend us over on the mobo. It is not compatible with any 667 CPU. According to the current bios update f.11:

* Intel Celeron M Processor 410 (1.46GHz)
* Intel Core Duo Processor T2050 (1.6 GHz)
* Intel Core Duo Processor T2250 (1.73 GHz)
* Intel Core Solo Processor T1300 (1.66 GHz)
* Intel Core Solo Processor T1350 (1.86 GHz)

And I can't find either of those core duo's for sale anywhere on eBay.
 
Nice. I wish I had found one of those when I was looking for a cheap laptop.
I could have used the $150 difference to buy upgrades.
 
JBavousett said:
Well, I screwed up. The ram works great, but HP did bend us over on the mobo. It is not compatible with any 667 CPU. According to the current bios update f.11:

* Intel Celeron M Processor 410 (1.46GHz)
* Intel Core Duo Processor T2050 (1.6 GHz)
* Intel Core Duo Processor T2250 (1.73 GHz)
* Intel Core Solo Processor T1300 (1.66 GHz)
* Intel Core Solo Processor T1350 (1.86 GHz)

And I can't find either of those core duo's for sale anywhere on eBay.

Damn it! :(

Maybe we can use a crossover bios??
 
Double damn it. I have a $200 CPU that I have to try and resell on ebay now :(

The only ONLY place I could find a T2250 (Intel has NO info on this cpu) was on HP,com in their store...it's $1,100. They can kiss my @$$.
 
JBavousett said:
Double damn it. I have a $200 CPU that I have to try and resell on ebay now :(

The only ONLY place I could find a T2250 (Intel has NO info on this cpu) was on HP,com in their store...it's $1,100. They can kiss my @$$.

Dell was putting them in some notebooks. Maybe call the spare parts number(although I have a feeling it will be way overpriced)
 
Wait a second... there must be a pin out that drops the 667 to 533. I am almost certain thats the only difference between the 533 and 667 core duos.
 
The pinout of both CPU's is absolutely the same. I have a hi-res pic of each, I'll post them here tomorrow when I get off of work. Actually, every single mark and component on each CPU is the same...short of the black label.
 
No, like how it was possible to pin mod a 400fsb dothan to a 533 dothan by shorting two pins.
 
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I found a site listing T2050 but not in stock yet. Thanks for the great review. I was lucky enough to get a dv1708nr for my wife. :)

David
 
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