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HP Omen 32" QHD Monitor - 2560x1440, 5ms, 75Hz freesync, VA panel

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rgMekanic said:
All this is complete truth, I run vsync off and Frame Target Control at 73, in many of the game I play my Fury never goes over 60% usage to keep the framerate dead steady
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RTSS framerate capping has lower input lag than Frame Target Control. Not sure if there are any other differences, but AFAIK that's the lowest latency way to framecap outside of in-game options.
 
Why would you want this monitor over the other HP 25b which is VA, 120hz, curved, freesync, etc (not to mention only $249)? Not sure what the appeal is.
 
entropism said:
You don't understand why someone would want a 1440p 32" monitor over a 25" 1080p monitor (that's no longer being produced, by the way)?
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Doh! I looked briefly at the other one on the HP site and didn't notice it was only 1080p. Now it makes more sense!

I get an employee discount of 30% on HP site so I was checking through to see if there was a decent monitor I could get, although I really want curved. I had the Samsung CFG70 and it was actually way better with the curve than I thought, when I went back to the flat monitor it looks like it has a fisheye effect on it.
 
This monitor would be top tier if wasn't for the 40+ ms input lag. That German site said 49ms. My personal test before return I did not know the real number but it was like playing on the moon.
 
Daffan said:
This monitor would be top tier if wasn't for the 40+ ms input lag. That German site said 49ms. My personal test before return I did not know the real number but it was like playing on the moon.
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I don't buy 40-49 ms.
Either that or I'm completely unaffected by it.

Test it with freesync on an AMD card and get back with us. I don't have a CRT to test against.
 
Prad.de use their very own method for measuring input lag - they put a light sensor to the center of the screen and then measure the delay between picture and audio output (of the soundcard)
It's been rather accurate in the past, but recently some results differed pretty much from what other pages got. So now they also use a Leo Bodnar tester as well, which is limited to 1080p60 over HDMI but at least it produces consistent results.
Imo "SMTT 2.0/vs. CRT" methods are the best for measuring the signal delay but only very few sites use those - and none other than Prad tested the Omen 32 afaik.
 
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Daffan said:
And hard.

I'd buy it again in a heartbeat If i had a decent AMD card that I could actually run 75hz and there was no input lag.
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That was a bit childish of me, sorry.

I have this monitor in combination with a RX 580, as you can understand I dont have any problems with it.
 
Gertjan said:
That was a bit childish of me, sorry.

I have this monitor in combination with a RX 580, as you can understand I dont have any problems with it.
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Yeah, it's unverified yet if Freesync removes the input lag. It could be.

Prad.de did a test at 75hz and there was still huge input lag. I did a personal test and 60hz was dreadful, 75hz was actually better but still bad. But I had Nvidia so no freesync to test that use-case.
 
Input lag feels a bit better on Level 3 response time setting compared to default, have you tried that?

I just got this monitor and it's pretty awesome. I came from a LG IPS 27UD68P 4K Freesync and input lag feels similar

I advise though turning off motion blur in games/slightly increasing brightness level in games, helps with motion on VA quite a bit. And of course being on a good balanced Overdrive mode that isn't causing ghosting
 
I unfortunately had returned the monitor. I loved the size of it and build quality was quite good on the monitor. Colors also were pretty good on it but like some others have mentioned, it just seems a bit blurry for me while gaming even on 75 hz/Freesync on/Level 3 overdrive.

Like my eyes couldn't track the motion as well compared to the 4K/60 hz IPS Freesync panel I moved from in most of the games I played despite having a higher refresh rate.

The 4K/60 hz IPS panel looks "smoother" in games when panning around, etc. Pixel transition time is quite a bit faster on the LG panel which is really the reason why it feels smoother to me despite being 60 hz only. My eyes are just able to track things and see things noticeably better while panning around in games like BF1, PUBG, etc

But dang I'll miss the size for now big time. Will wait till a future 32 inch monitor comes out that checks the boxes for me. (Maybe we will get 1440p 144 hz IPS 32 inch monitors sooner or later or something even better)
 
IPS panels have a faster pixel response time but less contrast then a VA panel.
Thats why you think that the Lg panel is faster.
 
Just got this monitor today. Liking it so far under normal usage. However, I am not impressed during gaming sessions. I am coming from a Dell Ultrasharp U2412M. Will game for a while and provide a feedback.
I wasn't able to get 75Hz on the ufo test monitor refresh rate web page. Is it a known issue? Win 10 and Nvidia control panel reports 75Hz is the current refresh rate and so does the monitor.
 
heavyarms said:
Just got this monitor today. Liking it so far under normal usage. However, I am not impressed during gaming sessions. I am coming from a Dell Ultrasharp U2412M. Will game for a while and provide a feedback.
I wasn't able to get 75Hz on the ufo test monitor refresh rate web page. Is it a known issue? Win 10 and Nvidia control panel reports 75Hz is the current refresh rate and so does the monitor.
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if you are on nvidia - yes it's known - AMD has freesync and does a true smooth 75hz. You must use 60Hz for nvidia owners or you'll have frame skipping.

There are many monitors like this.
 
Archaea said:
if you are on nvidia - yes it's known - AMD has freesync and does a true smooth 75hz. You must use 60Hz for nvidia owners or you'll have frame skipping.

There are many monitors like this.
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Oh yes. That made a night and day difference now. Can't believe there was so much of frame skipping on 75Hz. Have you tried Omen on Nvidia GPUs? Is it worth to get an AMD card just for freesync?
 
heavyarms said:
Oh yes. That made a night and day difference now. Can't believe there was so much of frame skipping on 75Hz. Have you tried Omen on Nvidia GPUs? Is it worth to get an AMD card just for freesync?
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I haven't - but I could now as I bought some 1080TI for mining.

But it's largely moot - buried in this thread are some screen captures showing frame skipping on Nvidia, and other showing no frame skipping on AMD.

So the answer is clearly that if you want 75hz and smooth on this particular monitor you'll have to buy an AMD card. :(

if traditional 60hz is fine with you then no bother.

I will add that I think a lot of freesync and feel it's worthwhile. down to 48hz feels butter smooth on this monitor. 47hz no - because that goes out of freesync range. It's a big change in perception when the FPS dips out of freesync range - but as long as it's in freeysnc range 48-75hz - it feels great!
 
Archaea said:
I don't have that issue at all on mine. I wonder if they are using multiple different panels in these.
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Or it might be just QC issue at AUO? iirc AUO works closely with BenQ and probably they got the best out of the lot
 
So I basically got hold of a BenQ BL3200PT just for sake of comparison.

BenQ BL3200PT vs HP Omen,
Input lag is more on Omen in all settings. BenQ wins here marginally.
Both have similar IQ and color reproduction.
backlight bleeding minimal on both. Slightly in favor of the Omen. However, the brightness and contrast levels have way more margin on BenQ. The screenshots below are with 70-100 range on HP Omen and 45-70 range on BenQ.
Ghosting observed on both panels at Fastest setting on Omen and AVA-Premium on the BenQ. Much lower ghosting on Fast settings on both panels.
My 10 minutes gaming sessions resulted in no noticeable difference between the two panels @ 60Hz (no freesync)


Both are excellent monitors. If I had to choose between the two I would go for the cheaper option (favors HP Omen) unless you have the below,

AMD card = Freesync ; go for HP Omen
You need adjustable stand, pivot, 360-degree rotation, DVI, VGA ports; go for BenQ


Left is the HP Omen and on right is the BenQ BL3200PT,
(Note: The BenQ can go lower by 2cm in height. makes a better fit for my Ikea Fredde desk. The HP Omen can fit in barely)

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Note: Videos look better on BenQ especially with the colors. However, I could get similar results on Omen by changing the video level to Limited (not sure if this is HDMI only option).

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Input lag comparison @ 60Hz; Omen lags behind.
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ghosting @ Fastest vs AVA-Premium
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ghosting @ Fast vs AVA-High
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frameskip @ 60 Hz
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Other Thoughts: HP Omen should have never been advertised as a gaming monitor :D
 
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Archaea said:
I haven't - but I could now as I bought some 1080TI for mining.

But it's largely moot - buried in this thread are some screen captures showing frame skipping on Nvidia, and other showing no frame skipping on AMD.

So the answer is clearly that if you want 75hz and smooth on this particular monitor you'll have to buy an AMD card. :(

if traditional 60hz is fine with you then no bother.

I will add that I think a lot of freesync and feel it's worthwhile. down to 48hz feels butter smooth on this monitor. 47hz no - because that goes out of freesync range. It's a big change in perception when the FPS dips out of freesync range - but as long as it's in freeysnc range 48-75hz - it feels great!
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I've been playing with the 1080TI on the HP Omen today.

Clearly the Fury X cards I had were much better mated to this display.

I have the pair of 1080TI in SLI. I had the pair of Fury X in Crossfire.

The Fury X were perfectly smooth at 75hz, the monitor is very obviously skipping frames at 75hz on the Nvidia cards.

At 60hz there is no frame skipping, but I think it's a minor step down from what I've gotten used to over the last 6 months with the Fury X cards at 75hz. I will probably buy Vega when it comes out and sell off my 1080TI cards.
 
heavyarms

What video card did you use for your tests? It'd be interesting to repeat with an AMD card if that test was done with an NVidia.

I'm already annoyed at a pair of 1080Ti's on my HP Omen setup, and I loved the monitors on the Fury X cards. I was playing Blur at a LAN party tonight and the monitor was set to 60hz, and yet I was getting microsuttering or something with the 1080TI SLI. Something I've never experienced with Crossfire on the HP Omen 32. The gameplay experience with Freesync and 75hz was much better than the gameplay on the 1080TI SLI at 60hz without Freesync.
 
Archaea said:
heavyarms

What video card did you use for your tests? It'd be interesting to repeat with an AMD card if that test was done with an NVidia. .
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Nvidia Gtx 1060. I don't have an AMD GPU at the moment. The freesync might help with the ghosting but wouldn't affect the response time now, will it?
 
Archaea said:
I've been playing with the 1080TI on the HP Omen today.

Clearly the Fury X cards I had were much better mated to this display.

I have the pair of 1080TI in SLI. I had the pair of Fury X in Crossfire.

The Fury X were perfectly smooth at 75hz, the monitor is very obviously skipping frames at 75hz on the Nvidia cards.

At 60hz there is no frame skipping, but I think it's a minor step down from what I've gotten used to over the last 6 months with the Fury X cards at 75hz. I will probably buy Vega when it comes out and sell off my 1080TI cards.
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Not to mention no FreeSync with the Nvidia cards.

Was the response-time any different with the 1080 Ti compared to the Fury X?
 
Delicieuxz said:
Not to mention no FreeSync with the Nvidia cards.

Was the response-time any different with the 1080 Ti compared to the Fury X?
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I don't know. My perception of the whole experience of the Omen 32" is way better on the AMD card. The Nvidia card,especially at 75hz is pretty terrible. At 60hz it still seems not quite as smooth


Can't say I ever feel like my mouse control is lagging behind my physical control at 60hz with Nvidia, but I definitely can feel input lag at 75hz with Nvidia. The Nvidia card is awful at 75hz.

AMD Fury x with freesync is smooth as butter at either 60 or 75hz -heck it feels super smooth all the way down to 48hz.

Now I have a decision to make. Cause I'm not keeping this setup long term. Either I sell the omens and buy a single 35" or 38" gsync monitor. Or I sell the 1080ti cards and buy Vega. I'm leaning towards Vega because I think the gsync 35" (and is there even a 38"?) are really overpriced!!(for not any better quality than the Omen)
 
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Archaea said:
I don't know. My perception of the whole experience of the Omen 32" is way better on the AMD card. The Nvidia card,especially at 75hz is pretty terrible. At 60hz it still seems not quite as smooth


Can't say I ever feel like my mouse control is lagging behind my physical control at 60hz with Nvidia, but I definitely can feel input lag at 75hz with Nvidia. The Nvidia card is awful at 75hz.

AMD Fury x with freesync is smooth as butter at either 60 or 75hz -heck it feels super smooth all the way down to 48hz.

Now I have a decision to make. Cause I'm not keeping this setup long term. Either I sell the omens and buy a single 35" or 38" gsync monitor. Or I sell the 1080ti cards and buy Vega. I'm leaning towards Vega because I think the gsync 35" (and is there even a 38"?) are really overpriced!!(for not any better quality than the Omen)
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When I had this monitor, the input lag on Nvidia was insane at 75hz. And 60hz I could tell blindtest 10/10 that the input lag was much better, but still not amazing.

It'd be interesting to see some comparisons against AMD to see the input lag difference.
 
Daffan said:
When I had this monitor, the input lag on Nvidia was insane at 75hz. And 60hz I could tell blindtest 10/10 that the input lag was much better, but still not amazing.

It'd be interesting to see some comparisons against AMD to see the input lag difference.
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It's terrible with Nvidia at 75hz - so bad.

But there's obvious frame skipping too. To the point you can barely use the mouse. At 60hz I agree there seems to be some mouse lag in games or something that I never noticed with the Fury X cards and freesync. I was attributing it to vsync lag though. My buddy and I both thought we noticed the mouse lag problem (to a much lesser degree) at 60hz too, but when we started blind testing each other with vsync on or off on the Nvidia cards we couldn't really differentiate, so at 60hz with Nvidia on the Omen it might just be placebo. I no longer have the Fury X cards to directly compare.

All I know is I never noticed this problem at all until I moved to the Nvidia cards.

But certainly 75hz on the Omen with Nvidia is awful.
 
Archaea said:
I was attributing it to vsync lag though. My buddy and I both thought we noticed the mouse lag problem (to a much lesser degree) at 60hz too, but when we started blind testing each other with vsync on or off on the Nvidia cards we couldn't really differentiate, so at 60hz with Nvidia on the Omen it might just be placebo.

All I know is I never noticed this problem at all until I moved to the Nvidia cards.

But certainly 75hz on the Omen with Nvidia is awful.
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So, another aspect is that it feels like there is v-sync moues lag all the time even when it's off or on?

You should try fast sync as a replacement for v-sync. No input lag and no tearing just like G-sync - except there might be light stuttering if your fps is not 2x the refresh rate (so 120fps at 60hz) but most of the time even at 60fps/60hz it's perfectly smooth. I found it was a great replacement when I sold my G-sync monitor. I was surprised how well it worked.
 
Daffan said:
So, another aspect is that it feels like there is v-sync moues lag all the time even when it's off or on?

You should try fast sync as a replacement for v-sync. No input lag and no tearing just like G-sync - except there might be light stuttering if your fps is not 2x the refresh rate (so 120fps at 60hz) but most of the time even at 60fps/60hz it's perfectly smooth. I found it was a great replacement when I sold my G-sync monitor. I was surprised how well it worked.
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is that game specific? How do I try it?
 
Archaea said:
is that game specific? How do I try it?
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In Nvidia control panel, under 3d settings > global - scroll down to vertical sync section and in the drop down select Fast Sync.

I run it global because I don't have any stuttering problems, although they can appear intermittently in some games rarely. Best use case is having 2x fps of your refresh if you want guaranteed perfection. I just don't care about that last part because tearing is horrible.
 
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