How Women In Tech Are Erased From History

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  1. HardOCP News

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    The Chief Technology Officer of the United States claims that crappy 2013 Steve Jobs movie has erased women from history. It's such a shame that it is impossible for women to make movies. I bet a woman could make a great, historically accurate movie that celebrates their achievements at Apple. Personally, I blame Ashton Kutcher. :rolleyes:

     
  2. roma

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    Pardon me while I wipe a tear from my glass eye
     
  3. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    I think the people who would watch any kind of movie and base their understanding of reality from it are probably already lost in the world and this particular non-reality won't cause them any additional undue harm as they're already too busy pretending to be fast and furious or are outside waving around their light sword at an imaginary city-sized UFO that's going to do dumb stuff to the planet over the summer, yet be easily defeated by some old guy in a fighter jet who crashes into its important underside bits.
     
  4. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    In my opinion, none of the women on the original team had any interesting role in the development of the MacIntosh. And if I'm not mistaken, Jobs is a movie about Steve Jobs.

    Also, BoingBoing again? Is this going to be a regular thing here now, grabbing bylines from a website that was made for clickbait?
     
  5. GaryJohnson

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    As far as I can determine only 3 women worked on the Macintosh team: Joanna Hoffman, Susan Kare, & Caroline Rose. As somebody pointed out in the comments on the article, the old photo of the team they posted only has 3 women in it and one wasn't even a team member, but the wife of one of the men. One of the women, Joanna Hoffman, was actually in the movie according to IMDB (albeit uncredited). There were 8 men who were on the team and not in the movie. Why isn't she complaining about them being erased from history?

    Cross referenced from wikipedia and imdb:

    Team members in the movie:
    Jef Raskin - M
    Joanna Hoffman - F
    Burrell Smith - M
    Bill Atkinson - M
    Chris Espinosa - M
    Andy Hertzfeld - M
    Steve Jobs - M

    Team members not in the movie:
    Brian Howard - M
    Bud Tribble - M
    Bob Belleville - M
    Steve Capps - M
    George Crow - M
    Donn Denman - M
    Bruce Horn - M
    Susan Kare - F
    Larry Kenyon - M
    Caroline Rose - F
     
  6. Ducman69

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    [​IMG]
     
  7. Quix

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    I guess the tagline "Hollywood Completely Sexist!", wouldn't have garnered as many clicks because everyone already knows Hollywood the probably the most sexist place in the country. Talk to any out of work actress over 40.
     
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    illli [H]ard|Gawd

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    this sjw crap is getting out of hand.
     
  9. Jagger100

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    Sexism or dollar optimization for a consumer base that can get old mediocre looking women at home anytime.

    Is the problem sexism or a discomfort of women having to compete against women who look better than them and always will even if they are only on screen.
     
  10. Ducman69

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    If your career was built upon your looks rather than your personality, then of course you're not going to keep getting the multi-million dollar roles after 40.

    If your appeal was your wit, comedy, or other talent, then you can pull a Betty White into the grave.
     
  11. amddragonpc

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    LOL. Welcome to Hollywood where women are treated like buried cat crap in a sandbox in a public playground.
     
  12. Ducman69

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    Megan Fox, with absolutely no talent or personality whatsoever, has a net worth of over $7 million + royalties for life thanks to Hollywood, thanks only to her looks. I wish someone would treat ME so poorly! ;) But of course she'll bitch and moan when she's 40 years old trying to bend over a motorcycle pretending to work on it in short-shorts and is no longer bathed in buckets of benjamins.
     
  13. Kalabalana

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    Not impressed this is on HardOCP
     
  14. HardOCP News

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    Which part doesn't impress you?

    • The fact that the person that said this is the Chief Technology Officer of the United States?
    • Sharing this story so you can give feedback to the author (positive or negative)
    • The fact that we like to post stuff so you guys can have your say about it?
    • Posting it so you can make a counterpoint / discuss / debate the merits of the statements made?
    • Sharing it for a laugh?

    I could go on and on why we share this kind of stuff.
     
  15. Ur_Mom

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    Can never please everyone. At least one story a day has the "Why does [H] post this stuff?" with a lot of other meaningful comments (laughing at the author or in full agreement or whatever).

    Maybe they didn't include them in the movie because they were just not that big on the development. No credit for their work or not enough work to get credit? Maybe they are due some recognition, maybe they are just wanting recognition for something they didn't earn... I don't know.
     
  16. HardOCP News

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    Truth.


    :)
     
  17. the-one1

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    Forget the women, what about the janitors that cleaned up after these nerds? Why do they get no recognition?
     
  18. Ur_Mom

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    What is the janitors name where you work? Where you went to school?

    They rarely get any recognition even when working.

    (I have Sao for janitor at work now. Bob Morris was janitor in High School 90-94)

    I've seen some things that the janitor probably should have gotten more recognition than the actual developers. Because you know he was cleaning up all that BS...
     
  19. Dekoth-E-

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    Isn't professional victimhood great?:rolleyes:
     
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    man reporting in.

    what have i done wrong now?
     
  21. Master_shake_

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    i guess women only get 77 percent of movie characters casted?
     
  22. haste.

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    Hey its not that easy... you have to reverse engineer an alien programming language, create a virus in said language, fly an alien spacecraft into the alien mothership, hack into it's network, and finally make sure there is a cliched laughing skull (we all that's what a computer virus is...).
     
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    How annoying would it have been had they made it all the way inside the alien spacecraft, only to realize they had just upgraded from the 30 pin to the lightning 8 pin connector. Doh!
     
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    another man reporting in

    is it safe to go outside?
     
  25. Ur_Mom

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    Nothing. It's fine.








    :D
     
  26. Parmenides

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    As long as it's a tribute to Steve Jobs, then all is forgiven. If it's someone we don't like or politically against then this is an outrage!
     
  27. mope54

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    Joanna Hoffman wrote the UI guidelines and ran the international marketing team

    Susan Kare designed the UI for the Mac, the typefaces we've all been using for the past 30 years, pretty much all the iconic symbols of Apple, then moved on to MS where she made a bunch of stuff anyone who's been computing since the 80's has looked at every day

    Caroline Rose wrote the technical manuals for 3rd party developers and her (male) co-workers have often publicly credited her programming skills as substantially improving their code by helping them rewrite it.

    Unfortunately your opinion is based on the lack of exposure to their accomplishments and, by all accounts, pivotal roles in the development and success of Apple's Mac.
     
  28. mope54

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    Would you have been impressed if someone had read the article, followed one of the links, and then informed us about Margaret Hamilton who wrote all the code in this picture by hand; code that was directly responsible for getting Apollo to the moon and saving the astronauts lives?
    [​IMG]

    because the argument is that of all the Apollo movies and depictions about that mission, she's never been portrayed as having a pivotal role in it or even being there at all. It'd be interesting to know how many people even know about her.

    I guess I could have been more sly about it and simply asked, what about Margaret Hamilton and waited until the guy that I responded to above wrote that she wasn't that big of a deal :D
     
  29. nightfly

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    Because women, like every other group, only focus on their own issues. Interestingly, women aren't even a minority group, constitution the majority of the population. Women also control a significant portion of the wealth, yet 'allow' MEN to run the corporations for them. Why? Because it's usually a man who is best at doing so. Women aren't automatically perfect when they get the opportunity, as GM found when they appointed one and sank into the ignition switch debacle.
    Besides, a recent study showed that a large percentage of women would prefer to not work, and just stay at home and raise the kids. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
     
  30. fixedmy7970

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    that's one way of viewing it: she also developed the code that updated a counter that nearly crashed the system and killed the astronauts. Also, shes standing next to the output from the program, the error output, not her handwritten code. Still, far more remarkable a lady then this "Chief Technology Officer" megan smith.
     
  31. rudy

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    I am sure anything to do with Steve Jobs erases a lot more than just woman from history.
     
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    Might as well add in Xerox - who first created the GUI Hoffman used. None of the people/things mentioned above are really huge dealios. Designing lasso icons (Kare) is not exactly so epic Hollywood needs to dramatize it
     
  33. mope54

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    the article isn't saying they deserve a movie, just that in a movie about the beginning of Apple the three women who had a significant role in developing Apple into what it is today should have at least been cast
     
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    and you're confused about the relationship between Hoffman, Xerox, and Apple but sadly that's not surprising I suppose
     
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  37. dmonkey

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    Hollywood is about characters. These women are not going to be characters in a "great man" epic homage about Steve Jobs. You (by you I mean those who make the same sorts of arguments) are all about extracting literally token concessions from the "media" when the problem is more like why the hell is Hollywood such a big influence in our lives today and who is wielding that influence.
     
  38. arr4ws

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    is that you Anita?
     
  39. mope54

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    should know better by now than to attempt to engage with people on an intellectual level here
     
  40. dmonkey

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    Keep making your points, buddy, it's OK.