Did that change between versions of windows? Because looking at the storage arrays here, it's not zeroing it on SSDs at least - or the array isn't seeing the commands from a VM.“Clean” nukes the partitions. “Clean All” zeros the selected drive.
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Did that change between versions of windows? Because looking at the storage arrays here, it's not zeroing it on SSDs at least - or the array isn't seeing the commands from a VM.“Clean” nukes the partitions. “Clean All” zeros the selected drive.
Flash storage is a bit special. I'm not sure if it is supposed to write zeros, but even if it is, some flash controllers won't zero because it wastes writes. Data is often compressed and/or spread out on a ssd, though, so I'm not sure zeroing it would be useful anyway.Did that change between versions of windows? Because looking at the storage arrays here, it's not zeroing it on SSDs at least - or the array isn't seeing the commands from a VM.
This may be part of it as well. Some storage arrays that operate in a 'hardware accelerated' mode can handle some operations independent of the VM/hypervisor. For example, when you thick provision a large volume in ESX on a VAAI supporting SAN/NAS device, ESX tells the device "Make a 500GB chunk of space for me!" and then the SAN/NAS does it on its own, rather than requiring the ESX server itself manage the process of which bits on the datastore get allocated and formatted properly, etc. It is possible that functionality might extend to something like "Write zeros to this 500GB disk" and then the SAN says "OK I'll do that" and reports back to the hypervisor/VM that the command is complete, even though it is still processing locally in the SAN/NAS array.or the array isn't seeing the commands from a VM.
But again it is not old wives talesThe point of my posts are just to save people wasting their time (considerable on a 4TB drive) and energy on old IT wives tech tales. That's all.
You know I bet if I said "Don't slam your nuts in a refrigerator door because it won't do them any good!" Several would still come out with posts recommending why they should do it or doubting the wisdom of my post.
it is not old wives tales
in the real world there is
Not that it's particularly relevant to the question here, but I think you're splitting hairs a bit.
The idea that data has ever been recovered from a zero'd drive *is* an old wives tale. The idea that it is theoretically possible to recover some data from a zero'd drive is not a wives tale; it's been shown to be possible to determine the previous state of a zero'd bit with greater than 50% success rate. However, the idea that it has actually happened to real data on a real drive from the real world *is* a wives tale; as far as anyone is aware, it's never been done in real life with real data. Somehow I doubt your average eBay'd 3TB hard drive is going to be where that process is successfully used for the very first time.
I think for the purposes of this conversation, "you" referring to anyone that is a getting their information from HardForum might be still be true.Unless the "you" was the singular "you" for the OP and not undefined group "you"
what am i reading here.... (think this topic might need to be locked soon)
use secure erase and job done (might not be simple to do depending on your PC) or just fill the drive which is what i normally do
if its a SSD just quick format it open Defrag and press optimize on the SSD and that's it as it TRIMs the whole drive, in about 30 seconds to 2-3 minutes later the background GC will have processed the TRIM to zero out the drive
for a HDD well bit more work/time is needed below
H2testw is a good one as one it writes the whole disk with 1GB hashed files and because it writes to the whole disk it will flush out any bad parts and it verifies as well that everything was stored correctly
delete all partitions (diskpart clean command is best option below) and then format the disk as NTFS (or exFAT as that provides more free space to Write to)
h2testw the drive (check smart before and after to make sure no relocation events or uncorrected errors has happened, up to you what you do with the drive if it has got problems)
once all is good don't just delete the partitions, just reset the drive , run diskpart and select the correct disk and clean it
diskpart , list disk , select disk x , clean ( >> warning this command does not ask when you do the clean command it just does it, so make sure you have selected the correct disk << )
this makes sure MBR and GPT is removed so does not cause bother with new owner
Not that it's particularly relevant to the question here, but I think you're splitting hairs a bit.
The idea that data has ever been recovered from a zero'd drive *is* an old wives tale. The idea that it is theoretically possible to recover some data from a zero'd drive is not a wives tale; it's been shown to be possible to determine the previous state of a zero'd bit with greater than 50% success rate. However, the idea that it has actually happened to real data on a real drive from the real world *is* a wives tale; as far as anyone is aware, it's never been done in real life with real data. Somehow I doubt your average eBay'd 3TB hard drive is going to be where that process is successfully used for the very first time.