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I don't know why Linux folks have gotten a hair in their eye over PC VR. Forever Linux folks didn't care about gaming, then Steam, then all of sudden gaming, then from Steam's own numbers it seems like, yeah, Linux folks really don't care about gaming. Then a week ago development support for SteamVR with the Vive comes out and then all of sudden Linux is all about VR. Though not pro-desktop Linux user in this thread has a Vive or really gets what it can do in daily use. But wait, I'm only interested in VR because I love Windows?

Wow, seriously, and I'm just being as honest about it as I can, you guys do not know what the hell you're talking about. I mean how seriously am I supposed to take all of this analysis from PEOPLE THAT DON'T FUCKING USE VR?
 
heatlesssun said:
I don't know why Linux folks have gotten a hair in their eye over PC VR. Forever Linux folks didn't care about gaming, then Steam, then all of sudden gaming, then from Steam's own numbers it seems like, yeah, Linux folks really don't care about gaming. Then a week ago development support for SteamVR with the Vive comes out and then all of sudden Linux is all about VR. Though not pro-desktop Linux user in this thread has a Vive or really gets what it can do in daily use. But wait, I'm only interested in VR because I love Windows?

Wow, seriously, and I'm just being as honest about it as I can, you guys do not know what the hell you're talking about. I mean how seriously am I supposed to take all of this analysis from PEOPLE THAT DON'T FUCKING USE VR?
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Man, you seem so twisted up about this. So what's your proposal? We're bad and should not game on Linux? We're bad and shouldn't talk about gaming on Linux? Developers are bad for making games for Linux? Developers are bad and shouldn't develop VR for Linux? We're bad for being excited about VR coming to Linux? Nothing matters because Windows has more, with better performance, and did it first?

No one has suggested that you personally should put forth any effort into doing anything in Linux.
 
Frobozz said:
Man, you seem so twisted up about this. So what's your proposal? We're bad and should not game on Linux? We're bad and shouldn't talk about gaming on Linux? Developers are bad for making games for Linux? Developers are bad and shouldn't develop VR for Linux? We're bad for being excited about VR coming to Linux? Nothing matters because Windows has more, with better performance, and did it first?

No one has suggested that you personally should put forth any effort into doing anything in Linux.
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Well said Frobozz!
 
Frobozz said:
Man, you seem so twisted up about this. So what's your proposal? We're bad and should not game on Linux? We're bad and shouldn't talk about gaming on Linux? Developers are bad for making games for Linux? Developers are bad and shouldn't develop VR for Linux? We're bad for being excited about VR coming to Linux? Nothing matters because Windows has more, with better performance, and did it first?

No one has suggested that you personally should put forth any effort into doing anything in Linux.
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And again, the focus of all of this is on Linux. What the hell does Linux or Windows have to do with VR? Nada. Other than the fact there's a shitload more Windows PC gamers willing to spend the money on it. Linux has been around for over two decades. And it's the same old thing. A bunch of folks that claim to know everything but really don't. I don't give a rats ass about the OS. Why in the hell would someone like me who spends tons of money on hardware give a shit?

But no, I love Windows. Way more than using to the fullest extent all the money I spend on things that have shit to do with Windows.
 
heatlesssun said:
And again, the focus of all of this is on Linux. What the hell does Linux or Windows have to do with VR? Nada. Other than the fact there's a shitload more Windows PC gamers willing to spend the money on it. Linux has been around for over two decades. And it's the same old thing. A bunch of folks that claim to know everything but really don't. I don't give a rats ass about the OS. Why in the hell would someone like me who spends tons of money on hardware give a shit?
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Lol!

I think the biggest problem is that you're still stuck two decades ago when you consider Linux!

It's not the 90's any more mate.
 
BulletDust said:
An irrelevant point.
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An extremely relavant point for those that are using something like VR.

BulletDust said:
I'm not the one saying stick to Windows because it exists.
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Where have I ever said anything so meaningless? You say that Linux supports VR because it came out last week. But you don't use it and have no what to say anything about it currently besides generalities and "Linux".
 
heatlesssun said:
The 90's seem to be the last time you used VR.
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No, not at all.

Do you assume that because I primarily use Linux I haven't dabbled in VR? I told you otherwise very early on, I also told you that I can't use VR as I get a feeling not unlike vertigo.

So once again, send you me your little goggles and lets get some experience with VR under Linux, I'll even put up with the vertigo. Because claiming that we both have no experience with VR under Linux, but you have no experience with Linux whatsoever yet you're quick to voice an opinion on it as well as VR under Linux is a little more than hilarious.

You questioned Vive support under Linux, it's obvious that Vive is supported under Linux however support is in beta, which is in no way surprising considering it's been about two weeks since VR was released under Linux. What the fuck else are you trying to prove?
 
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heatlesssun said:
You say a lot of things.
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With over 42 thousand posts on these forums alone as well as your Twitter posts and every review that paints Microsoft in a negative light, I can assure you my friend that you have suspiciously more to say that I ever did!
 
BulletDust said:
With over 42 thousand posts on these forums alone as well as your Twitter posts and every review that paints Microsoft in a negative light, I can assure you my friend that you have suspiciously more to say that I ever did!
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Yes, a lot of posts around here over going on 12 years. And Twitter posts? LOL! You don't even know the difference between a Twitter post and retweet. I've not posted anything on Twitter in months. And you're making yourself out to be a cyber stalker. Why the fuck do you care about my online activities? You're worse than Windows 10.
 
heatlesssun said:
Dabbled isn't the same thing as using.
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Oh ok. So I've connected it, set it all up and used it numerous times, but because I don't play it every day unlike the guy that seems to have ample time to do all that and spend every waking hour on the [H] Forums I know nothing about it?

Are you serious?

Honestly, I get the distinct impression you believe you're somehow a superior being because you have VR?

Your logic is mindblowing!
 
heatlesssun said:
Yes, a lot of posts around here over going on 12 years. And Twitter posts? LOL! You don't even know the difference between a Twitter post and retweet. I've not posted anything on Twitter in months. And you're making yourself out to be a cyber stalker. Why the fuck do you care about my online activities? You're worse than Windows 10.
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You go way beyond being a fanboi heatlesssun, I'm just saying what a number of members have been thinking - I'm not scared and your shear number of posts without a doubt tweaked my interests. Considering your obvious love for Windows 10 I should take your comment as a complement. ;)
 
There's a guy using VR on Linux.

It's still beta and was only released weeks ago, but it's working!

I think he took that photo himself using his phone.

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I've read the Phronix articles. You say it's working and I'm not contesting that this early development release. I already have about 50 VR titles, only one of them, Serious Sam FE VR, is currently available in this development release. Of course there will be more but at this stage there's plenty of doubt about just how much will ever come to Linux, that point was made in the Phronix articles.

At any rate, Linux folks are going to have to buy headsets if there's going to be much Linux content.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've read the Phronix articles. You say it's working and I'm not contesting that this early development release. I already have about 50 VR titles, only one of them, Serious Sam FE VR, is currently available in this development release. Of course there will be more but at this stage there's plenty of doubt about just how much will ever come to Linux, that point was made in the Phronix articles.

At any rate, Linux folks are going to have to buy headsets if there's going to be much Linux content.
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Well in AU a Vive is $1500.00, those headsets aren't flying off the shelves here and I am not going to spend $1500.00 to experience VR under Linux to satisfy yourself - It's an expense that I can quite easily afford, but it's an expense I can in no way justify considering I will never use it, and at this point in development it could be superseded tomorrow with something better making that $1500.00 investment a massive waste of money.

The Vive is currently supported under Linux in beta and development will continue to evolve and improve as more titles inevitably become available.
 
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The Vive is currently supported under Linux in beta and development will continue to evolve and improve as more titles inevitably become available.
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Well sure there will be more titles, but if the growth of Linux VR games is like the growth conventional games, it's going be very hard to get people who buy Vives and other VR setups and spend that kind of money to Linux if the content catalog is well behind Linux.
 
heatlesssun said:
Well sure there will be more titles, but if the growth of Linux VR games is like the growth conventional games, it's going be very hard to get people who buy Vives and other VR setups and spend that kind of money to Linux if the content catalog is well behind Linux.
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The growth of Linux on Steam is exceptional! In ~3 years it's has by far surpassed any expectation I ever had, and from memory by far exceeds the number of titles available under Windows after 3 years on Steam. Not only that, but growth isn't slowing and cross platform API's are gaining popularity. I see no reason why VR growth under Linux won't continue to grow into the future, the growth of Windows in comparison is fairly irrelevant as Linux users aren't using Windows. We've been over this, I refuse to go over it again because you're too arrogant to accept legitimate reason.
 
BulletDust said:
The growth of Linux on Steam is exceptional! In ~3 years it's has by far surpassed any expectation I ever had, and from memory by far exceeds the number of titles available under Windows after 3 years on Steam. Not only that, but growth isn't slowing and cross platform API's are gaining popularity. I see no reason why VR growth under Linux won't continue to grow into the future, the growth of Windows in comparison is fairly irrelevant as Linux users aren't using Windows. We've been over this, I refuse to go over it again because you're too arrogant to accept legitimate reason.
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The world of PC gaming is quite a bit different than in 2006 which was three years after Steams release. It's much bigger and more complicated. Windows is on track to add more titles in a single year than ever, more than all tiles since official Linux support was introduced. As for Linux VR, we'll see. But it does seem like most pro-desktop Linux folks are VERY hesitant about the tech. And with Steam reporting well under 1% of its users running Linux, I don't see too many developers jumping to develop for Linux. Unless Vulkan is some sort magic elixir that dramatically reduces Linux development efforts and provides solid performance.
 
heatlesssun said:
The world of PC gaming is quite a bit different than in 2006 which was three years after Steams release. It's much bigger and more complicated. Windows is on track to add more titles in a single year than ever, more than all tiles since official Linux support was introduced. As for Linux VR, we'll see. But it does seem like most pro-desktop Linux folks are VERY hesitant about the tech. And with Steam reporting well under 1% of its users running Linux, I don't see too many developers jumping to develop for Linux. Unless Vulkan is some sort magic elixir that dramatically reduces Linux development efforts and provides solid performance.
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Lol, I don't know if you really can't see what you're missing or whether you blindly refuse to accept that there's something you're not taking into consideration here....

You're argument is flawed. Not only that but it's just so blatantly obvious that Linux software growth is going to be slower than Windows software growth on Steam at this point in time due greatly to the short amount of time Linux has been supported under Steam. Thankfully time doesn't stand still and Linux is still growing, granted, at a different rate to Windows - Which is a moot point, under Steam.

If you refuse to listen to logical reason than I refuse to discuss this topic any more. Once again, to reiterate my point, your argument is flawed. Your obvious bias is unbelieveable.

VR under Linux has been available in beta for about two weeks and you're laying judgement on the future of the product! Are you stupid? Furthermore, the improvements I've seen using Vulkan when gaming under Linux are amazing! Refinement of the API is showing an average improvement of 25% in at least one title with more titles improving as time goes on!
 
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Thankfully time doesn't stand still and Linux is still growing, granted, at a different rate to Windows - Which is a moot point, under Steam.
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This is FAR from a moot point when people are spending a great deal of money on PC gaming. Like a lot of folks around here currently, we're chomping at the bit to put down money on 1080 Ti's. How many are going to be running those to play games under Linux?
 
heatlesssun said:
This is FAR from a moot point when people are spending a great deal of money on PC gaming. Like a lot of folks around here currently, we're chomping at the bit to put down money on 1080 Ti's. How many are going to be running those to play games under Linux?
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I'm done.

Seriously...You're argument is just batshit crazy! If anyone respects your opinion, I'm sorry for them.
 
BulletDust said:
I'm done.

Seriously...You're argument is just batshit crazy! If anyone respects your opinion, I'm sorry for them.
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You're telling people like me that if they don't flush thousands of dollars down the drain to companies that aren't Microsoft they Windows lovers. Your respect is too expensive for me.;)
 
heatlesssun said:
You're telling people like me that if they don't flush thousands of dollars down the drain to companies that aren't Microsoft they Windows lovers. Your respect is too expensive for me.;)
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Not at all, I have no idea where you got that rubbish from? You're argument is a flat out joke, the association with a 1080Ti and Windows or not Linux or whatever the god damn hell you're trying to imply is fucking stupid.

More to the point, what part of I'm done doesn't your meagre cerebrum understand?
 
BulletDust said:
Not at all, I have no idea where you got that rubbish from? You're argument is a flat out joke, the association with a 1080Ti and Windows or not Linux or whatever the god damn hell you're trying to imply is fucking stupid.

More to the point, what part of I'm done doesn't your meagre cerebrum understand?
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If you are done then you can just stop responding. It's not like the last one to post wins. Just my 2¢.
 
BulletDust said:
Not at all, I have no idea where you got that rubbish from? You're argument is a flat out joke, the association with a 1080Ti and Windows or not Linux or whatever the god damn hell you're trying to imply is fucking stupid.

More to the point, what part of I'm done doesn't your meagre cerebrum understand?
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Ok, so for all of the Linux folks out there planning to buy a 1080 Ti, what do you plan to do with it? What games running natively under Linux do you think will get benefit from this GPU?

For a guy that's always calling others names like "Windows lover", when asked basic and simple questions about ACUTALLY using Linux for gaming, nada. Zip. Nothing.
 
heatlesssun said:
Ok, so for all of the Linux folks out there planning to buy a 1080 Ti, what do you plan to do with it? What games running natively under Linux do you think will get benefit from this GPU?

For a guy that's always calling others names like "Windows lover", when asked basic and simple questions about ACUTALLY using Linux for gaming, nada. Zip. Nothing.
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Yeah, I've made nada comments relating to Linux gaming.

Let...It...Go.
 
B00nie said:
Virtual porn is the only thing that can kick off VR.
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Exactly Boonie and that is exactly why I have no interest in VR considering the adult entertainment industries malicious use of code on there sites or sites affiliated with them that people get suckered into going to and I believe the rest of the Linux community is with me on this or takes a similar stance on this. Consider what I just said too the Linux community probably cares more about develop than gaming and VR headsets as well as Nvidia 1080Ti overpriced gaming graphics cards too. With all the garabage and crap that comes along with WIndows to create a meaningless culture rich experience that in the end is not what I'm really interested in and many others might agree, Like blatantly malicious free sofware for Windows and even Mac, the non existance of already existing Live bootable Operating Systems that Linux has and seem to should have always existed in the first place, Free or Opensource tools that can be donated to instead of subscribed to for a rip off rate when you consider having to pay a subscription for each piece of software that requires it. Also, that with Linux and most if not all of it's software being open source if not free either allows free hassle free and life saving use that make it more productive too. Also, by Linux being open source the user is free to modify and make anything thing or almost anything they deem necessary, which my experience with this for WIndows is that the default Windows PE creation either doesn't work or didn't work for me without hassle for creating a live Windows Installation that should already exist in the first place and even if it did I still wouldn't be happy because of the possible subscription requirements that I might as well just hand Microsoft my wallet or bank account information, so they can just take the money like they may actually want to.

It's not mine or any one else especially responders to this thread that game developers choose not to support Linux even if the possible is viable or whatever and that even hardware manufacturers, such as Nvidia and especially Epson who gave me nothing, but hassle when going to them for driver support for Linux by telling me to contact Linux are either giving the Linux community hassle about supporting it and keep in Mind Nvidia is the best supported GPU for Linux if you ask me and if I'm not mistaken while the same goes for Epson.

The way I see it VR support will get there for Linux, but I don't care about it and have no time for gaming anyway. If I had time for gaming I would probably be like the rest of the Mac and Windows users who keep themselves tied to there computers playing WOW (World of Warcraft) and practically soil their underpants because they can't make it to the bathroom or restroom, like the episode of South Park suggest, even if that may not be true of all WOW players. My point is that heartlessun seems to be like the rest of the Windows community and WOW players who only care about gaming, but don't seem to care about or have the dignity of living in the real world or handling real world problems as well as have the decency to shower, change their close, at least let their pets out to prevent them from crapping and pissing if not vomiting all over the house, and making it to the bath room themselves because some gaming including WOW if not all keep you tied to your computer to the point that you can't even live with dignity or live in the real world. Considering that though is why the Linux community hasn't supported VR if it will and why it's slow to mature and if not I'm surprised because those things are completely unproductive and should be considered.

Linus Torvalds himself has pretty much expressed his disinterest in having gaming support on Linux too, but I think it should exist for something to do during down time if it exists or happens. I thank those who made it possible along with Gabe Newell as well as the rest of valve who continue to help make it possible or else using Linux probably would be a dull boring experience if it already isn't even though the benefits of lack of most gaming support seeming to be worth it. In my mind Linux seems to just work compared to Windows as well as have better support due to all the already existing tools and Live bootable Operating Systems that can be used to prevent downtime that Mac or Windows don't have or provide at little to no cost while still still making enough money to stay in business or survive, like Linux does.

Heartlessun doesn't seem to know or want to know how to use Linux or any other Opensource solution because he doesn't want to hassle with it, like the rest of the Windows community. However, after Windows 8, 8.1 and 1o. I got really pissed and I'm really pissed that the University of Phoenix especially seems to want to require me to use Mac or Windows, so I can put myself back in that prison or hell too. The current school I'm attending seems to be doing the same thing to by requiring me to use MS Office, which in my mind LibreOffice works better and is easier to use once you get the hang of it, which is especially true when manipulating pictures because the anchor and cropping in MS Office is annoying along with moving pictures around. However, manipulating word docs with docx extensions made in MSOffice when using LibreOffice seems to be a problem or compatibility issue, but installing MS Office outside of a virtual machine in Linux just does seem possible even with wine and/or PlayOnLinux or with Crossover considering I haven't used Crossover yet. However, Linux doesn't need MS Office because it has it's own Opensource or free software as well as proprietary regardless of if requires some extra tinkering to install and get working along with if it becomes necessary to installl Windows programs on Linux using wine, PlayOnLinux, or Crossover. However, like I said Linux doesn't need proprietary Windows programs because it has it's own and it's just people like heartlessun or schools who obsessed fans or butt buddles with Microsoft who think you do and won't help you if you have a problem or can't figure out how to do it in Linux. Heck even my former Instructor for Linux/Unix and advisor out of the two year community college who has his Phd in Electrical Engineering wouldn't help me figure out how to use Linux for my information design class or if I was using the right tool for the job, which is his and the Linux philosophy to use the right tool and he simply stated just use what's required to pass.

I've found though that Linux can do just about anything if not anything, but that things don't usually work the way I think they do and that's when I need help. Also, I've found that Linux doesn't really seem to do most things automatically for you, such as wireshark and that's considering Linux if not UNIX is all about automation and scripting if I'm not mistaken.

My cousin ditch Computer Science in the early 2000's because of Linux though due to having to script if and when required, but I wouldn't have and especiallly won't now because I think that's the best part. The reason I think scripting is great under Linux if not BSD is that I can write a do while loop, like the following templet:


Use a -y to accept the packages. (Hint: Use the following for loop if using Redhat or SUSE distros: for i in p1 p2 p3 p4 ; do yum -y install $i ; done or For Debian distros use a for loop: for i in p1 p2 p3 p4 ; do apt-get -y install $i ; done).

and all my programs are installed without any viruses or malware or spyware or less chance of it, since there might be malicious third party repositories as rumored. Also, things can be just as easy to install in Linux as thery are in Windows with either Linuxmints package manager or Ubuntu's software Center. If that's not enough Linux allows you to use the pkg command to install .deb or rpm to install .rpm files depending on if you're using redhat or debian. Finally, the most important thing is being able to install by using binary installation using:

./configure

make

make install

The use of or requirement of command line in Linux is not a problem either because its designed better than Windows if you ask me, the commands are almost all universal accross all UNIX/Linux platforms, and it can be faster to type and run a command as opposed to running the program in GUI (Graphical User Interface). The only probem that may exist in Linux if not UNIX is that bash used fi to end an if statement and esac to end a case because the people who designed it back in the seventies might have been on drugs or whatever when they designed it, but it works and takes less code to save money even if it's true and seems hilarious too maybe. I plan to learn powershell though regardless to actually learn and see what it's like though, because internet tutorials are aweful for it, since all I mostly found was an annoyinng if not stupid overly complicated video that the guy kept saying "Powershell is Powershell is Powershell" and it was no help. Also, when I took programming logic and problem solving, which required us to learn Visual Basic 6 text programming that didn't help either because we just learn how to right basic or the structure of how to write the foundation of the code and not how script for Windows.
 
scharfshutze009 said:
Heartlessun doesn't seem to know or want to know how to use Linux or any other Opensource solution because he doesn't want to hassle with it, like the rest of the Windows community.
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Sorry, this is just nonsense. At work we get company issues laptops running 7. My new boss has asked all of this direct reports to move to Windows 10 ASAP, before the end of the year if possible because starting next year the FORCED migration to 10 begins in earnest. If the company mandate were to move to a Linux distro, that's what I'd be doing.
 
heatlesssun said:
Sorry, this is just nonsense. At work we get company issues laptops running 7. My new boss has asked all of this direct reports to move to Windows 10 ASAP, before the end of the year if possible because starting next year the FORCED migration to 10 begins in earnest. If the company mandate were to move to a Linux distro, that's what I'd be doing.
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Know what I did when the company mandate came down the pipe for us to move to that abomination of an OS (which has now stalled out due to complications I might add LOL)? I installed Arch Linux, encrypted it, locked it down, and then installed a VM of Win10 strictly for Office 2016 for O365.

Loving life. No reboots. No ads. No telemetry. No bullshit. Just productivity.
 
Vermillion said:
Know what I did when the company mandate came down the pipe for us to move to that abomination of an OS (which has now stalled out due to complications I might add LOL)? I installed Arch Linux, encrypted it, locked it down, and then installed a VM of Win10 strictly for Office 2016 for O365.

Loving life. No reboots. No ads. No telemetry. No bullshit. Just productivity.
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Yeah, you don't do this in our environment on a company owned device and hope to keep your job.
 
heatlesssun said:
Sorry, this is just nonsense. At work we get company issues laptops running 7. My new boss has asked all of this direct reports to move to Windows 10 ASAP, before the end of the year if possible because starting next year the FORCED migration to 10 begins in earnest. If the company mandate were to move to a Linux distro, that's what I'd be doing.
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They get bonuses for doing so! This is a great example of why propitiatory software is bad in corporate circles, it's not about what works well, it's about what the reps can sell to upper management!

I class a really good sysadmin as someone that knows way more than Microsoft products alone, a knowledge of Linux in corporate/enterprise IT is essential. Numerous times now I've seen reps sell proprietary products to upper management who in turn force such products onto the sysadmin when the sysadmin has a tried and proven open source and affordable solution in place, only to replace it with the proprietary product as a result of under the table deals between upper management and reps - completely stuffing everything.

A tried and proven solution is best left alone and newer is by no means always better. Experience states that management are interested more in what lands in their back pocket than what actually works well.
 
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heatlesssun said:
Sorry, this is just nonsense. At work we get company issues laptops running 7. My new boss has asked all of this direct reports to move to Windows 10 ASAP, before the end of the year if possible because starting next year the FORCED migration to 10 begins in earnest. If the company mandate were to move to a Linux distro, that's what I'd be doing.
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I wouldn't like to have bosses like that! :D
 
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