I'm going to see the benchmarks and compare them to my 1080ti. If theres a huge difference at 2560x1440 then I'll upgrade to a 2080ti and if theres not a huge difference then I'll keep using my watercooled 1080ti until the generation after rtx.
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Well it has been officially confirmed now:
RTX 2080 Ti FE $1199
RTX 2080 FE $799
RTX 2070 FE $599
"Reference" model prices:
RTX 2080 Ti $999 and up
RTX 2080 $699 and up
RTX 2070 $499 and up
Honestly these prices blow my expectations out of the water.
The 2080 Ti is priced at Titan XP price levels.
The 2080 is priced at prior Ti price points.
And the 2070 is the most expensive 70 series card that I can remember.
Do you feel that Nvidia pricing is outrageous or does it feel reasonable given the current market for video cards and lack of competition from AMD?
Didn't know you were in the market for a high-end NVIDIA card after looking at your postings?
(Odd that so many "n00bie" posters come out of the woodworks every single launch with strong opinions...)
And yet you've failed to answer the question or otherwise contribute to the thread meaningfully! To re-iterate, he's asking, how do you feel about these prices?
How do they make you, feel?
I don't "feel" about hardware ...
Btw, pot calling the kettle black much? (aka you still mad I called out your ignorance? )
Despite saying you don't "feel" about hardware your tone of voice is quite aggressive. What gives you the urge to "call out" other posters and call them "ignorant"? That doesn't seem logical.
The RTX 20xx series announcement has received a lot of valid criticisms both on youtube, on forums, and throughout the tech enthusiast community.
People have questioned factors such as pricing, the importance of ray tracing, and the actual performance of these video cards.
Sure it is valid to say, I don't care about the price or performance, I just want the latest video card because I have disposable income to throw down $1200 or $2400 on the newest video cards just to have it.
But it is also valid to question, what is the performance to value ratio on these new video cards compared to the GTX 10 series?
Do we need ray tracing and how much will it be used in new video game titles?
If I currently own a 10 series GPU, is it worth it for me to upgrade or will I enjoy my 10 series video card about 90% as a 20 series without having to pay 70% more for an upgrade?
I believe that Nvidia could have handled the launch better. A lot of people have reservations due to the extreme price inflations. I do give them credit for trying to bring forth real time (hybrid) ray tracing but they emphasized ray tracing much more than the actual performance of the new video cards which understandably made a lot of people cautious about adopting the new video cards.
It is valid to question - is ray tracing going to be a new paradigm for video card rendering or will it go the way of PhysX, ie into the dustbin?
The question is open to the entire community how they feel about this new release by Nvidia.
As more information comes out I reserve the right to change my mind but right now it looks really risky to invest in the RTX series. Most likely I will wait a generation for the technology to mature and the prices to come down to realistic levels before trying to obtain one.
I salute the early adopters for taking this risk on blind faith, but I feel the majority of users will demand more tangible and measurable benefits than "raytracing, it just works" before making the same jump, especially at these price brackets.
Despite saying you don't "feel" about hardware your tone of voice is quite aggressive. What gives you the urge to "call out" other posters and call them "ignorant"? That doesn't seem logical.
The RTX 20xx series announcement has received a lot of valid criticisms both on youtube, on forums, and throughout the tech enthusiast community.
People have questioned factors such as pricing, the importance of ray tracing, and the actual performance of these video cards.
Sure it is valid to say, I don't care about the price or performance, I just want the latest video card because I have disposable income to throw down $1200 or $2400 on the newest video cards just to have it.
But it is also valid to question, what is the performance to value ratio on these new video cards compared to the GTX 10 series?
Do we need ray tracing and how much will it be used in new video game titles?
If I currently own a 10 series GPU, is it worth it for me to upgrade or will I enjoy my 10 series video card about 90% as a 20 series without having to pay 70% more for an upgrade?
I believe that Nvidia could have handled the launch better. A lot of people have reservations due to the extreme price inflations. I do give them credit for trying to bring forth real time (hybrid) ray tracing but they emphasized ray tracing much more than the actual performance of the new video cards which understandably made a lot of people cautious about adopting the new video cards.
It is valid to question - is ray tracing going to be a new paradigm for video card rendering or will it go the way of PhysX, ie into the dustbin?
The question is open to the entire community how they feel about this new release by Nvidia.
As more information comes out I reserve the right to change my mind but right now it looks really risky to invest in the RTX series. Most likely I will wait a generation for the technology to mature and the prices to come down to realistic levels before trying to obtain one.
I salute the early adopters for taking this risk on blind faith, but I feel the majority of users will demand more tangible and measurable benefits than "raytracing, it just works" before making the same jump, especially at these price brackets.
Oh...I am not the only one having this view...I love his "unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance in the gaming community"...QFT!
Prime example of how no competition screws us all.
The pricing structure feels more like they are placing the new gen into the same bracket as the old gen (xx80 for xx80, as an example) with some performance gain (? 25%-50%, TBD), a surcharge to recover the RTX development investment, and an additional charge to cover the larger die cut. On top of that, the higher price gives some room for them to entice gamers into buying up 10 series cards. It's a win-win for them, since they can always drop the prices on their 20 series once the 10's dry up in the channel. Depending upon the benches, my feelings could change
To me this just looks like they are renaming the lineup to be more clear to the consumer. The Titan cards were always an oddball if offering the best gaming performance, while being “not gaming” cards.
Titan Xp -> 2080 Ti
1080 Ti -> 2080
1080 -> 2070
Now the prices look mostly inline. I feel people would have bitched less if Nvidia just stuck with the older product naming.
I'm kind of dissapointed...
8800 series on paper should be x3 faster than the 7950 series and they are luck to get x2 on certain situations.
Having x3 the shaders and higher bus, with the shaders supposively running at higher clock rate along with having more than x2 the Transistor count you'd easily get x3 or higher due the the hardwares efficiency over the old architecture.
Why didn't anyone bother to test Splinter Cell-Double Agent? A lot of companies are going to be using the Unreal Engine 3 so its makes sense for the New GPUs to be tested on new games that have more of the future features in them.
Oh...I am not the only one having this view...I love his "unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance in the gaming community"...QFT!
Direct link to relevant comment:Got this from another site, this might shed some insight on pricing
https://www.techpowerup.com/246925/...-to-71-higher-than-previous-gen?cp=6#comments
Max dies per wafer (without defect): 58
Good dies: 39
Defective dies: 19
Partial dies: 8
Yield: ~68%
^ This is the absolute best case scenario. Ever.
More realistically we are looking at a defect rate of 0.15 which would give drastically worse numbers:
Max dies per wafer (without defect): 58
Good dies: 20
Defective dies: 38
Partial dies: 8
Yield: ~34%
Calculator: http://caly-technologies.com/en/die-yield-calculator/
Assuming each wafer costs about 25000$ (it can't be much lower because Quadro RTX 8000 goes for 10000$ by itself so wafer is at least 2x more costly).
25000/20=1250$ well surprise surprise. If we get 20 good dies on 25000$ wafer the price is exactly what it is now for 2080Ti. But while the chip itself may the biggest cost per card there are other components costs that make up the BoM (Bill of Materials).
Direct link to relevant comment:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/posts/3889746
A lot of people have been pointing this out, but normies only care about price to performance metrics.
Deus Ex MD at 4K Max settings can exceed 11GB of VRAM.