How come none of the mechanical keyboard last more than 3 year, what happens to 50M keystroke guarantee?

[DrezKill]

exactly what step you did to get Logitech to replace a mouse under warranty? they never honor my warranty, they are spineless

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.logitech.com

So digging up old emails from 2017, I found this:

 

[Happy Hopping]

well, you got lucky. https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.logitech.com

I got very similar email. They give a lot of "I owe you", but what they said is different than what they do. IN summary, they did nothing, they said they will, but it's a total waste of time.

 

[riev90]

The most expensive brand new mechanical keyboard I paid for were only ~$22, 10 keyless model, "outemu" brown / blue switch.
The best one I used right now is 2nd hand: Vortex VX9 (98 keys keyboard), I quite enjoyed typing on it. I purchased it for the same ~$22.

Talking about vortex mech keyboard, today my order has arrived: 2nd hand Vortex VX9 Pro + vortex gx-107 mouse, only costed me total ~$34.

Take a look at this beauty:


98 keys layout, outemu blue switch.

 

[Happy Hopping]

a review in 90 to 120 days would be great

 

[FrgMstr]

Been using a Corsair K70 RGB keyboard with Cherry MX Red switches since 2015.

Still using my K70 here as well without issue and I think I got mine about the same time. Did wear some of the paint off the E key finally though. Otherwise, still works perfectly outside of the keys not illuminating about once a month waking up from sleep.

 

[Happy Hopping]

that's odd. I thought they are laser engraved that no key can wear out the paint

 

[Nobu]

that's odd. I thought they are laser engraved that no key can wear out the paint

You need either double injected (double-shot) (2 color) or dye-sublimated keycaps if you want durable keys. Etched legends are good, but their main draw is how sharp and readable they are (double-shot can be rounded at the edges, and dye-sub can be have faults during printing as well).

https://switchandclick.com/double-shot-vs-dye-sub-keycaps-whats-the-difference/

 

[Archaea]

I have three mechanical keyboards; a Corsair k70, a Rosewill, and $5 upgrade cyber power mechanical keyboard on three of my machines. All are over 3 years old, and not a problem on any of them.

 

[Happy Hopping]

You need either double injected (double-shot) (2 color) or dye-sublimated keycaps if you want durable keys. Etched legends are good, but their main draw is how sharp and readable they are (double-shot can be rounded at the edges, and dye-sub can be have faults during printing as well).

https://switchandclick.com/double-shot-vs-dye-sub-keycaps-whats-the-difference/

you build your own mechanical keyboard?

 

[Nobu]

you build your own mechanical keyboard?

Nah, got an epomaker skyloong sk61 from amazon. Did put some caps on it though, forget what brand. Before that I used a cooler master. Brown switches on both.

 

[gaminggodfather]

Nah, got an epomaker skyloong sk61 from amazon. Did put some caps on it though, forget what brand. Before that I used a cooler master. Brown switches on both.

Brown switches for the win click click click lol. But it's interesting to see the general quality of products decline when mass produced but that's just how it is. Mine is going on 2 years so fingers crossed

 

[FrgMstr]

that's odd. I thought they are laser engraved that no key can wear out the paint

So did I. Guess the older ones did not.

 

[emphy]

Got a decade old das keyboard, still going strong.

However, I recently acquired a logitech one (for different layout), also with blue cherry switches. The key presses feel slightly, but distinctly, more mushy on the newer keyboard, with some variability in the mushy-ness. Have the switches gone down in quality nowadays, are the ones in the new keyboard fake, or did logitech do something else to them to worsen the experience?

Would have been extremely peeved if I had paid full price for that (relative) piece of junk.

 

[Prince Valiant]

Got a decade old das keyboard, still going strong.

However, I recently acquired a logitech one (for different layout), also with blue cherry switches. The key presses feel slightly, but distinctly, more mushy on the newer keyboard, with some variability in the mushy-ness. Have the switches gone down in quality nowadays, are the ones in the new keyboard fake, or did logitech do something else to them to worsen the experience?

Would have been extremely peeved if I had paid full price for that (relative) piece of junk.

Probably variance between batches.

 

[emphy]

Probably variance between batches.

I checked the specs again; turns out it only says "blue key switches", as opposed to "cherry blue switches". The logitech keyboard doesn't have cherry switches after all.

 

[rhkcommander959]

I checked the specs again; turns out it only says "blue key switches", as opposed to "cherry blue switches". Turns out that the logitech keyboard doesn't have cherry switches at all.

yeah that's a trick you gotta watch for. they just say "color" key switches, or mechanical blue, but not cherry. or mx style switch

 

[SamirD]

https://www.amazon.com/Perixx-PERIBOARD-328-Full-Size-Mechanical-Backlighting/dp/B08F3VVLFF/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1V2145YKG9NVT&keywords=perixx+mechanical+keyboard&qid=1676413986&sprefix=,aps,106&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExOVNBS0k1QVg1WFJZJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODU4NjcxMU41Q1hIWDhWRktGWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzIxMjEwMzY4SlJTVjIzMEpNTCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

how can there be mechanical keyboard at $35 at amazon? who is Perixx?

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Dunno how accurate that is, though. Probably do a search for their company and see if they have a german website.

I've got some trackballs from Perixx and they're pretty solid even though their stuff is still the standard chinese manufactured stuff.

and how are these cheap mech. keyboard compares to brand like Razer at $200+? or what does brand like Razer gives you that these cheap mech. keyboard doesn't offer?

Used to be that you got what you paid for, but now there's a lot of sub-$50 boards that work just as well as the bigger and more expensive brands. If the brands come with longer warranties, that would be the advantage, but if not then I can't see one at all.

Got a decade old das keyboard, still going strong.

However, I recently acquired a logitech one (for different layout), also with blue cherry switches. The key presses feel slightly, but distinctly, more mushy on the newer keyboard, with some variability in the mushy-ness. Have the switches gone down in quality nowadays, are the ones in the new keyboard fake, or did logitech do something else to them to worsen the experience?

Would have been extremely peeved if I had paid full price for that (relative) piece of junk.

In addition to just using non-cherry switches, I've found a lot of variation between the type feel on boards even having the same switches. The design as a whole has a lot to do with the typing feel so the same switch on one model may not feel as good on another and vice-versa.

 

[Prince Valiant]

I checked the specs again; turns out it only says "blue key switches", as opposed to "cherry blue switches". The logitech keyboard doesn't have cherry switches after all.

At least you didn't pay full price . I wouldn't buy a mechanical KB without knowing the specific switch used since I want to know exactly what I'm getting whenever possible.

yeah that's a trick you gotta watch for. they just say "color" key switches, or mechanical blue, but not cherry. or mx style switch

It rubs me wrong when advertising is being deliberately vague like that. I don't have any particular loyalty to Cherry but, I like mx blues well enough to stick with them. I've thought about getting a switch tester but why tempt myself ?

I've got some trackballs from Perixx and they're pretty solid even though their stuff is still the standard chinese manufactured stuff.

Used to be that you got what you paid for, but now there's a lot of sub-$50 boards that work just as well as the bigger and more expensive brands. If the brands come with longer warranties, that would be the advantage, but if not then I can't see one at all.

In addition to just using non-cherry switches, I've found a lot of variation between the type feel on boards even having the same switches. The design as a whole has a lot to do with the typing feel so the same switch on one model may not feel as good on another and vice-versa.

Cheap Chinese stuff has come a long way but I still avoid it. Warranty service likely isn't worth the trouble with that stuff if they offer it at all.

 

[SamirD]

Cheap Chinese stuff has come a long way but I still avoid it. Warranty service likely isn't worth the trouble with that stuff if they offer it at all.

It has, but a lot of the keyboard stuff is actually NMIC--even though anything overseas will still have zero or nearly zero support.

 

[Happy Hopping]

https://steampunk-design.de/project/keyboard/

this is the reason if you pay someone to make a keyboard like this link, the keyboard circuit board, has to have some way to unscrew from the bottom, so any parts that fail can be replaced

 

[Prince Valiant]

https://steampunk-design.de/project/keyboard/

this is the reason if you pay someone to make a keyboard like this link, the keyboard circuit board, has to have some way to unscrew from the bottom, so any parts that fail can be replaced

Newer designs have been tending toward socketed boards for easy replacement of switches.

 

[Happy Hopping]

is there a photo so it's easier to visualize?

 

[Prince Valiant]

https://www.gloriousgaming.com/products/gmmk-full-brown-switch

I don't know how many insertions/removals they're rated for. Edit, link to their product page and an image from the site:

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Edit again: There's also a page on Deskthority about it, https://deskthority.net/wiki/Hot-swap.

 

[CookieFactory]

I'm on year 6 with my Realforce RGB. Still like new.

 

[Happy Hopping]

https://www.gloriousgaming.com/products/gmmk-full-brown-switch

I don't know how many insertions/removals they're rated for. Edit, link to their product page and an image from the site:

Spoiler

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Edit again: There's also a page on Deskthority about it, https://deskthority.net/wiki/Hot-swap.

1) what does modular means in this context?

2) how do they get the key switch out in the first place?

 

[Prince Valiant]

I'm on year 6 with my Realforce RGB. Still like new.

I've heard build quality is excellent for them. My main board is doing well aside from shine on the caps.

1) what does modular means in this context?

2) how do they get the key switch out in the first place?

Sockets are attached to the board in some way, most likely soldered, as I understand it. The switch legs are inserted into the socket instead of soldered to the board and can be removed. A switch puller, something like this this.