House Panel Approves Broadened ISP Snooping Bill

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By a show of hands, how many of you expected anything different from a our elected officials? That's what I thought. I am actually surprised they didn't want DNA samples or fingerprints on record too.

A last-minute rewrite of the bill expands the information that commercial Internet providers are required to store to include customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses, some committee members suggested. By a 7-16 vote, the panel rejected an amendment that would have clarified that only IP addresses must be stored.
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Spying on all citizens more and more, and any privacy objections get shot down with a nuclear style "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011
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So the Republicans rail to have a smaller government while quietly snooping and making the government even more intrusive? Sweet gig they got going.
 
osrk said:
So the Republicans rail to have a smaller government while quietly snooping and making the government even more intrusive? Sweet gig they got going.
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Nice try. Blaming things on Republicans or even Democrats is futile because once they are elected they are all the same. Party affiliation doesn't mean anything anymore. You know they are going to vote against the citizens because that's what politicians do. People don't go into politics because they want to serve, but because they are ego maniacs with ambitions of controlling people.
 
How the hell are they going to get bank numbers and credit card info? Store it when you pay your bills? Great so now when they get hack not only my CC info gets stolen but everything else as well.
 
Welcome to America, Land of the free. Unless of course we don't like whatever it is we think you might be considering doing. In that case, we reserve the right to put a probe up your ass, tracking receivers on everything you own and wear, monitor your communications and expect a detailed itinerary of all your activities real time via twitter.
 
It will only get worse from here on out, it's been on this path since the so-called "Patriot" Act was passed years ago.

This is how it begins... one little chip at one right every so often, in back rooms and silenced tones, and before the masses realize it, they will (soon) have no rights left at all.

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
 
Yep. This is why I hate those fucktards like annonymous and the likes. They just give those fucktards in Washington more and more excuses to get deeper and deeper into the internet.
 
MacLeod said:
Yep. This is why I hate those fucktards like annonymous and the likes. They just give those fucktards in Washington more and more excuses to get deeper and deeper into the internet.
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Are you implying that if there were no hacker groups the government would not pass these same bills? Things like this were always on the "books", they just never came to the floor until there was a nice crisis to ram in through.
 
So, instead of complaining, what should the people do about this? What can we do about this?

Write letters to_____?
Contact ______ Organization?
Contact ______ Website/News Station/Magazine?

Where should we start?
 
MrLonghair said:
Thanks lulsec and anonymous!
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They are scapegoats for what the government and corporations have been doing for a long time and continue to do. AHH who did you blame in the sixty's when this really took off. Look in the mirror bud your the reason its happening, no guts to stand up for yourself but ready to blame everyone else. Are you out mobilizing your fellow citizens and protesting, writing letters to all your favorite politicians, or do you and the boys do your protesting in a bar crying in your beers.
 
Shambler said:
So, instead of complaining, what should the people do about this? What can we do about this?

Write letters to_____?
Contact ______ Organization?
Contact ______ Website/News Station/Magazine?

Where should we start?
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I would start by writing your representatives, since the bill hasn't passed yet.
 
Direct link to the Bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1981:

Highlighted in bold would seem to be the odd change to this bill right?

SEC. 4. RETENTION OF CERTAIN RECORDS BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS.

(a) In General- Section 2703 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(h) Retention of Certain Records- A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service shall retain for a period of at least 18 months the temporarily assigned network addresses the service assigns to each account, unless that address is transmitted by radio communication (as defined in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934).'.

(b) Sense of Congress- It is the sense of Congress that records retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code, should be stored securely to protect customer privacy and prevent against breaches of the records.
 
OMG they seriously need a spanking.

If I believed in the supernatural I would expect the Founding Fathers to rise out of their graves as zombies and rip out these "elected" a-holes hearts and vomit after eating their polluted filthy brains... :rolleyes:
 
MacLeod said:
Yep. This is why I hate those fucktards like annonymous and the likes. They just give those fucktards in Washington more and more excuses to get deeper and deeper into the internet.
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Another wimp who hasn't figured it out. How much would you sacrifice for what you believe in, how far will you go to try to make the changes that matter to you. History has a way of fading, trouble is it wasn't that long ago that this incident happened , and their are plenty here who remember.
"On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding nine Kent State students. The impact of the shootings was dramatic. The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds of colleges and universities to close. H. R. Haldeman, a top aide to President Richard Nixon, suggests the shootings had a direct impact on national politics. In The Ends of Power, Haldeman (1978) states that the shootings at Kent State began the slide into Watergate, eventually destroying the Nixon administration. Beyond the direct effects of the May 4th, the shootings have certainly come to symbolize the deep political and social divisions that so sharply divided the country during the Vietnam War era."
Not saying you have to die for your cause, just start your cause. One voice can influence many.
 
Trepidati0n said:
Are you implying that if there were no hacker groups the government would not pass these same bills? Things like this were always on the "books", they just never came to the floor until there was a nice crisis to ram in through.
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Nope but they wouldn't be able to pass as easily. With all these hacker groups being so public, public opinion starts to favor bills like these.
 
The country is facing an economic crisis because they can't agree on the debt issue,but they can come up with more ways to spy on us. Things never change.:rolleyes:
 
We may go broke and default as a country, but by golly we got our snooping plans in place!

Good job Washington
 
...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 
gibber said:
...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Could you please enlighten the unenlightened,who went to school and thought that history was boring and skipped classes, where this wonderful, historical, down to earth quote came from.
 
The Declaration of Independence, of course. I kept thinking it was the Constitution, honestly, but the last part got me where it declares "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations" came in - instantly I remembered it was the Declaration of Independence because I've seen "National Treasure" so many times... :D
 
Wow... I'm almost speechless yet unsurprised. It just makes me laugh in pity when people say "land of the free". Free? Shit...nothings free, never was. We weren't given SSN's (serial numbers) because we're free. They're not data-mining our every move online and offline because we're free. The "enemy" doesn't hate us because we're free, we're not free! They hate us because the government does worse to other countries than to its own people and look what they do to us! Killing protestors, locking up nosy reporters, controlling the media, feeding us dumbed down propaganda on every TV station, and now locking (tracking every move) down the internet using any means/excuse necessary.

I swear they probably know more about me than I do. Come on big government....tell me my flaws in my DNA, or how I don't pay enough taxes or how my family is of the poor and worthless. Pollute the what should be free lands with bombs and corporate pollution (oil sands, bomb testing sites, etc) than charge us for doing the least damage the most money! FU!!! Tax, tax, tax!!! I'm not free, this is economic slavery we're in so now they're watching us more closely to keep us in check.


The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we … kill those people. "Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok … But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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You vote in people like George Dubya Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama, and that's what you get, perpetual foreign wars, massive spending, and bigger security/nanny state.

Vote Ron Paul next time and this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
 
Ducman69 said:
You vote in people like George Dubya Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama, and that's what you get, perpetual foreign wars, massive spending, and bigger security/nanny state.

Vote Ron Paul next time and this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
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I'm all for Ron Paul! I will vote for him too, just might be a wasted vote because not enough people know or care about what he truly stands for.
 
Ducman69 said:
You vote in people like George Dubya Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama, and that's what you get, perpetual foreign wars, massive spending, and bigger security/nanny state.

Vote Ron Paul next time and this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
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The problem with that line of thinking is that you're under the mistaken impression that the American voting population actually elects the President, which it doesn't - it never really has, it never really will.

I am all for Ron Paul, I was in the last election and I am again but, sadly, he's too smart to win - seriously. The American people - even if they could elect him - won't because they're too stupid at large to understand what's happening. They've long since gone the route of "sheeple" and there's no real turning back for them anymore.

Only a revolution of some kind is truly going to change the United States again, for the better I hope.

The President... regardless of who the actual person in the office is, be it Bush, Obama, even Ron Paul... does not run the country.

And that's the hardest truth of all, but since he's the "captain of the ship" all the blame for everything - good or bad - gets lain on his/her feet as time goes by.

This was a great country, once, but that was a very long time ago (think the 1800s), and it most likely never will be again...
 
Trepidati0n said:
Are you implying that if there were no hacker groups the government would not pass these same bills? Things like this were always on the "books", they just never came to the floor until there was a nice crisis to ram in through.
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Yeah, instead of hackers it would have been terrorists or foreign government spies, or pedo bears, or whatever excuse group they needed.
 
J32P said:
I'm all for Ron Paul! I will vote for him too, just might be a wasted vote because not enough people know or care about what he truly stands for.
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Its only a wasted vote if you don't vote. Don't listen to the other parties that tell you your vote is wasted, thats their fear talking. If you voted for the other two parties because they told you its a wasted vote, then you don't have any principals and have no right to bitch."If you don't stand up for something, you may fall for anything."
 
Joe Average said:
This was a great country, once, but that was a very long time ago (think the 1800s), and it most likely never will be again...
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Rome was a great civilization once, too...

the US has been around for around the same amount of time as they were...

everything must come to an end. i am actually excited to see it happen;
i am extremely tired of washington do literally nothing but collect taxpayer-funded checks, walk in circles and sniff each others farts while claiming that theirs smell better then the farts of the people on the other side of the aisle.

load the whole lot of em on a ship and sink it in the atlantic. the country would be better off.
 
Doesn't storing personally Identifyable information (name, address, CC#) go against PCI compliance, which is needed for credit card processing?
 
Uncle said:
Its only a wasted vote if you don't vote.
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its a wasted vote if you cast it for a canidate you dont actually support, simply because you feel you should be voting, or just dont want to see their opponent in the office. I have not voted many times because of a lack of options. if there were an option of "none of the above" on all the ballots, i would vote every single time, as many people probably would.

if you are apathetic about all the choices on the ballot, you are more likely to say 'screw this, ill just see what happens' and just stay home on voting day. if there were a "none of the above" option, these people would feel a much stronger obligation to go out and make their disapproval of the options heard.

i will not cast a vote for someone i mildly dislike simply because they oppose someone i strongly dislike. there need to be a "neither" option.
 
az_max said:
Doesn't storing personally Identifyable information (name, address, CC#) go against PCI compliance, which is needed for credit card processing?
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Technically, a Social Security number (aka an SSN) cannot be used as a form of identification by any agency - local, state, Federal, military, financial, it doesn't matter - except the Social Security Administration. But so much for that idea which blew out the window like a fart in the wind many years ago...

My Dad joined the US Navy in 1934, stayed in for 31 years, through World War II and into the Korean War then went into civil service till he passed away in 1982. If he were alive today, I think he'd be so disgusted with this country and how it's basically turned to shit so fast he'd probably commit suicide, sadly.

If I had the money to buy a small island in the Pacific, I think I would...
 
J32P said:
Wow... I'm almost speechless yet unsurprised. It just makes me laugh in pity when people say "land of the free". Free? Shit...nothings free, never was. We weren't given SSN's (serial numbers) because we're free. They're not data-mining our every move online and offline because we're free. The "enemy" doesn't hate us because we're free, we're not free! They hate us because the government does worse to other countries than to its own people and look what they do to us! Killing protestors, locking up nosy reporters, controlling the media, feeding us dumbed down propaganda on every TV station, and now locking (tracking every move) down the internet using any means/excuse necessary.
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Aww come on now. You're more free than just about every other civilization in history.

Love the quote though. :)
 
Ducman69 said:
Vote Ron Paul next time and this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
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*laugh* yeah you hope.

Seriously, Bush run on the platform that he's going to blow through the "Clinton Surplus" in record time, that he'd fight two wars, that he'd raise the debt to new levels. Obama never said he'd spend until the ceiling broke, or that we'd default on spending because it cost money to do shit and none of you motherfuckers who want it don't want to pay for it.

Ron Paul talks a good talk, but hoping he'll break the trend and do something different? HA! And you laugh about Obama's slogan of Change.
 
Time for Tor? Wonder what my latency on BF:BC2 would be like over Tor?
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Joe Average said:
Technically, a Social Security number (aka an SSN) cannot be used as a form of identification by any agency - local, state, Federal, military, financial, it doesn't matter - except the Social Security Administration. But so much for that idea which blew out the window like a fart in the wind many years ago...

My Dad joined the US Navy in 1934, stayed in for 31 years, through World War II and into the Korean War then went into civil service till he passed away in 1982. If he were alive today, I think he'd be so disgusted with this country and how it's basically turned to shit so fast he'd probably commit suicide, sadly.

If I had the money to buy a small island in the Pacific, I think I would...
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Most agencies seem to have procedures in place for identifying yourself without a SSN, to remain in compliance with this rule I suppose.

But seriously, why bother? What's wrong with using SSN for identification? Anything that helps the government operate more efficiently is fine with me.
 
So if the government is going to continue this way, well, lets put it this way:
The internet is going to become a virtual Fallout 3.
 
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