HOT: Pioneer 1TB NVMe E12 Controller $119 @ Amazon

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  1. Lateralus

    Lateralus More [H]uman than Human

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    The Sabrent Rocket 1TB is back down to $99.18 on Amazon with coupon code 09FO8U6Q. I finally took the plunge and ordered one.
     
  2. Carmmond

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    Hope you get your single sided:cool:
     
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  3. DarthPingoo

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    I bought my in Europe mid October and it was already single sided one.

    I think Sabrent hasn't got too big stock and the double sided one is not findable anymore.

    But if we look at the specs page on their website it seem that three versions could exists :
    - Phison E12 + Toshiba 64L BiCS3 NAND + 1TB DRAM (DS)
    - Phison E12 + Toshiba 96L BiCS4 NAND + ? DRAM (as far as I know it should be SS)
    - Phison E12S + Micron 96L B27A NAND + 512MB DRAM (SS)

    The most common is the first and the last one.
     
  4. Lateralus

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    Thanks guys! I'll definitely report back. Hopefully I waited long enough. Was mainly waiting for the $100 price point to come back because I knew it had been there before and didn't want to overpay. :)
     
  5. Carmmond

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    I was hoping the 2tb would drop below $200 for BF and then I could get rid of all but my external backup spindle drives.

    I have 1.5tb of SSD’s so all said and done 4.5tb should set me up for some time...... maybe on cyber Monday :)
     
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  6. tempertantrum

    tempertantrum Limp Gawd

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    I'm not sure how helpful this will be, but Sabrent has Acronis software available for cloning SSDs, including changing sector sizes:

    https://www.sabrent.com/acronis/
     
  7. Hawk Hardcase

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    Going by the image on MicroCenter's website, the main difference between the 12.3 fw based SSDs and the 'new' Inland Premium 22.x's seems to be the use of Kingston DRAM instead of Hynix DRAM? I could see where you'd definitely need a different support chipset to support either.

    Still need to get to the MicroCenter in Flushing to see..
     
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  9. DarthPingoo

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    Received my Sabrent 2.0TB.

    It seems one of the latest batch with Sabrent's RKT303.1 custom firmware.

    NAND on both side, but cache only on the front side. 4 flash per side (IMFT it seems).

    My 1.0TB was an ECMF22.4 one with only 1 side populated and 4 IFMT NAND.

    Results seems pretty close. The 2.0TB is quicker in every CDM tests but Seq read (3125MBps vs. 3475MBps).

    1.0TB benchmark is with the SSD connected on a Ryzen 3700X.
    2.0TB benchmark is on the same rig but the SSD onnected to an X570 chipset.
     

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  10. TooTired

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    Is the smaller DRAM only for the 2TB model or for every capacity? I saw a review on Amazon that said that "the 2 TB models use the newer Phison E12S controller with half the DRAM," so does only the 2TB one have reduced DRAM?
     
  11. DarthPingoo

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    According the Phison_nvme_flash_id2 tool (http://vlo.name:3000/ssdtool/), the both SSD are using Micron 96L 512Gb 3D TLC NAND and only 512MB DDR3-1600 DRAM.

    So far I'm not too disappointed with the 2TB having only 512MB of cache. The speed seems good, at least on par with the 1TB one and far better than my previous Marvell SATA drives.

    I bought the 2TB on Amazon.fr at 165 EUR VAT inc. so it was a really good deal (something like ~150 bucks in USA).
     
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  12. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge [H]ardForum Junkie

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    That's lower than the 660p, which is an inferior product, and about US$100 lower than similar drives sell for in the US last I checked. Very nice!
     
  13. Lateralus

    Lateralus More [H]uman than Human

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    Got my Sabrent Rocket 1TB a couple of days ago but have been slammed with work so didn't get a chance to open it until just now.

    Unboxing:

    IMG_3553.jpg
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    IMG_3557.jpg

    Single-sided!

    *I realize that this isn't an issue for many/most people but if your device is designed for a single-sided NVMe drive, it's good to know that there are more options than just the Samsungs, WD Black, etc. (which each have their own strengths and weaknesses - I think the Phisons are by far the best ban for the buck based on what I've seen and read). It would be nice if the SM2262EN based drives started coming in single-sided variants, as they are ranked up there among the best also and can be found for decent prices.
     
  14. Luckz

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    The E12S / BiCS4 version is double sided, at least I don't know of anyone who has a single sided one.
    The smaller E12S controller and lower RAM amount are IIRC necessary to fit it onto one side, not just the denser flash - not 100% sure though.


    How did you get a 165€ 2TB one? The lowest deal I saw was 225€, 300€ with a 25% off coupon.


    Any E12S is (AFAIK) combined with half the DRAM they used with the E12 in the same size.
    The 4TB is only available with E12S as per the specs page.

    I would love to buy a 2TB without DRAM reduction, maybe Patriot still has those, and I suppose Corsair's MP510 should also not have the E12S - though a page earlier there's a MP510 with firmware implying E12.
     
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  15. Maxx

    Maxx [H]ard|Gawd

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    Funny story behind this: when I was first posting about the Rocket's 4Kn cloning issues on Reddit, I was approached by an Acronis rep so they could fix their software. Less of an issue now since Sabrent ships it as 512e and also came out with a format utility. (and Acronis I do believe can handle it now)
     
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  16. Maxx

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    I thought so, too, but I found an exception that I totally missed - I freely admit I f'd up on this one. Check out this drive from Toshiba: the layout is very similar, it has Phison power management, "12" on the controller - this is an E12/E12S. Yet if you look up the DRAM it's 4Gb/512MB for a 512GB SKU. Haven't checked the 1TB RD500 yet though.
     
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  17. Nenu

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    Doesnt work in Windows 7 unfortunately, complains
    "Read NVME ID error - exit! Possible incompatible NVME driver."
    I had the same issue with Sabrent 512e converter, had to do it in windows 10 because the tool didnt see the drive in Windows 7.
     
  18. IdiotInCharge

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    No way to do that in Linux?
     
  19. Nenu

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    Havent tried sorry.
     
  20. Luckz

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    Did you try using the included Win7 driver? in \drv\X64\Windows7_sign\Windows7\ ..
     
  21. DarthPingoo

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    I don't know how it was possible, but on the Black Friday day the base price was down to 225€, but the 25% coupon still working... :D
     
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  22. DarthPingoo

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    SSD Tool on my 1TB one :
    Code:
    v0.2a
    OS: 10.0 build 18363
    Drive: 0(NVME)
    Scsi    : 4
    Model   : Sabrent                                 
    Fw      : ECFM22.4
    Size    : 976762 MB
    LBA Size: 512
    Read_System_Info_5008 error: 4294967295
    Firmware lock supported [02 01]
    Drive unlocked
    P/N     : 51A-190821010   
    Bank00: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank01: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank02: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank03: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank04: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank05: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank06: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank07: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank08: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank09: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank10: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank11: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank12: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank13: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank14: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank15: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Controller    : PS5012-E12
    CPU Clk       : 666
    Flash CE      : 16
    Flash Channel : 8
    Interleave    : 2
    Flash CE Mask : [++++++++ ++++++++ -------- --------]
    FlashR Clk,MT : 666
    FlashW Clk,MT : 666
    Block per CE  : 944
    Bit Per Cell  : 3(TLC)
    DRAM Size,MB  : 512
    DRAM Clock,MHz: 1600
    DRAM Type     : DDR3
    PMIC Type     : PS6102
    
    Defects Early Read Prog Erase
    Bank00:   13    0    0    0
    Bank01:   14    0    0    0
    Bank02:   13    0    0    0
    Bank03:   10    0    0    0
    Bank04:   14    0    0    0
    Bank05:   12    0    0    0
    Bank06:   18    0    0    0
    Bank07:   18    0    0    0
    Bank08:   28    0    0    0
    Bank09:   14    0    0    0
    Bank10:   11    0    0    0
    Bank11:   17    0    0    0
    Bank12:   14    0    0    0
    Bank13:   10    0    0    0
    Bank14:   18    0    0    0
    Bank15:   17    0    0    0
    Total :  241    0    0    0
    
    Defects Early Read Prog Erase
    Ce00Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl2:    2    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl3:    3    0    0    0
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    Ce03Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl1:    2    0    0    0
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    Ce13Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl3:    3    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl2:    3    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl3:    3    0    0    0
    Total  :  241    0    0    0
    
     
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  23. DarthPingoo

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    SSD Tool on my 2TB one:
    Code:
    v0.2a
    OS: 10.0 build 18363
    Drive: 1(NVME)
    Scsi    : 5
    Model   : Sabrent                                 
    Fw      : RKT303.1
    Size    : 1953514 MB
    LBA Size: 512
    Read_System_Info_5008 error: 4294967295
    Firmware lock supported [02 01]
    Drive unlocked
    P/N     : 511-190909342   
    Bank00: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank01: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank02: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank03: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank04: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank05: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank06: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank07: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank08: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank09: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank10: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank11: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank12: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank13: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank14: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank15: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank16: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank17: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank18: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank19: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank20: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank21: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank22: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank23: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank24: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank25: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank26: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank27: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank28: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank29: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank30: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank31: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Controller    : PS5012-E12
    CPU Clk       : 666
    Flash CE      : 32
    Flash Channel : 8
    Interleave    : 4
    Flash CE Mask : [++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++]
    FlashR Clk,MT : 666
    FlashW Clk,MT : 666
    Block per CE  : 944
    Bit Per Cell  : 3(TLC)
    DRAM Size,MB  : 512
    DRAM Clock,MHz: 1600
    DRAM Type     : DDR3
    PMIC Type     : PS6102
    
    Defects Early Read Prog Erase
    Bank00:   14    0    0    0
    Bank01:   12    0    0    0
    Bank02:   13    0    0    0
    Bank03:   14    0    0    0
    Bank04:   13    0    0    0
    Bank05:   13    0    0    0
    Bank06:   12    0    0    0
    Bank07:   13    0    0    0
    Bank08:   14    0    0    0
    Bank09:   14    0    0    0
    Bank10:   15    0    0    0
    Bank11:   12    0    0    0
    Bank12:   17    0    0    0
    Bank13:   17    0    0    0
    Bank14:   14    0    0    0
    Bank15:   13    0    0    0
    Bank16:   10    0    0    0
    Bank17:   13    0    0    0
    Bank18:   13    0    0    0
    Bank19:   10    0    0    0
    Bank20:   10    0    0    0
    Bank21:   11    0    0    0
    Bank22:   15    0    0    0
    Bank23:   13    0    0    0
    Bank24:   12    0    0    0
    Bank25:   11    0    0    0
    Bank26:   12    0    0    0
    Bank27:   13    0    0    0
    Bank28:   13    0    0    0
    Bank29:   10    0    0    0
    Bank30:   14    0    0    0
    Bank31:   11    0    0    0
    Total :  411    0    0    0
    
    Defects Early Read Prog Erase
    Ce00Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl1:    7    0    0    0
    Ce01Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce01Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce02Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce02Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl0:    8    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce04Pl0:    8    0    0    0
    Ce04Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce05Pl0:    8    0    0    0
    Ce05Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce06Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce06Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce07Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce07Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce08Pl0:    8    0    0    0
    Ce08Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce09Pl0:    8    0    0    0
    Ce09Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce10Pl0:    9    0    0    0
    Ce10Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce11Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce11Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce12Pl0:   11    0    0    0
    Ce12Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce13Pl0:    9    0    0    0
    Ce13Pl1:    8    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl0:    8    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce16Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce16Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce17Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce17Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce18Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce18Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce19Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce19Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce20Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce20Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce21Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce21Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce22Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce22Pl1:    9    0    0    0
    Ce23Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce23Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce24Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce24Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce25Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce25Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce26Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce26Pl1:    5    0    0    0
    Ce27Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce27Pl1:    6    0    0    0
    Ce28Pl0:    9    0    0    0
    Ce28Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce29Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce29Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce30Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce30Pl1:    7    0    0    0
    Ce31Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce31Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Total  :  411    0    0    0
    
     
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  24. Nenu

    Nenu [H]ardened

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    What is that from?
    Mine has no software.
     
  25. DarthPingoo

    DarthPingoo n00b

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    The tool provides a generic NVMe driver from Realtek that allows it to work.
     
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  26. Nenu

    Nenu [H]ardened

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    Oh yeah, thanks
    I'll give that a try later.

    I hope it doesnt change the performance, its already top notch.
     
  27. DarthPingoo

    DarthPingoo n00b

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    I've restored the previous Microsoft drivers using the Device Manager and it worked properly.
     
  28. tempertantrum

    tempertantrum Limp Gawd

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    Good to see they are responsive to issues. When I worked IT, we used Acronis, and people would askk us if it was good. We say, "no, it's shitty. But they are all shitty and it's the best of they shitty solutions." It's also nice how you can use it for free, basically other than scheduling, if you boot into it on a flash drive or CD.
     
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  29. tempertantrum

    tempertantrum Limp Gawd

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    FYI, current price back down to $99 (or 105 on Amazon).
     
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  30. Maxx

    Maxx [H]ard|Gawd

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    They weren't happy that a competitor (EaseUS) seemed to "solve" the issue first. I believe now it comes with the Rocket as well (downloadable on site).
     
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  31. Nenu

    Nenu [H]ardened

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    The NVME driver works great, around the same performance except 4K Q8T8 and Q32T1 are a little quicker.

    Here are my drive stats
    Sabrent 1TB single sided:

    Code:
    v0.2a
    OS: xx
    Drive: 5(NVME)
    Scsi    : 3
    Model   : Sabrent                                
    Fw      : RKT303.1
    Size    : 976762 MB
    LBA Size: 512
    Read_System_Info_5008 error: 4294967295
    Firmware lock supported [02 01]
    Drive unlocked
    P/N     : 511-xxxxxxxxx  
    Bank00: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank01: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank02: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank03: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank04: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank05: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank06: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank07: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank08: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank09: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank10: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank11: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank12: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank13: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank14: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Bank15: 0x2c,0xc4,0x18,0x32,0xa2,0x0,0x0,0x0 - Micron 96L(B27A) TLC 512Gb/CE 512Gb/die
    Controller    : PS5012-E12
    CPU Clk       : 666
    Flash CE      : 16
    Flash Channel : 8
    Interleave    : 2
    Flash CE Mask : [++++++++ ++++++++ -------- --------]
    FlashR Clk,MT : 666
    FlashW Clk,MT : 666
    Block per CE  : 944
    Bit Per Cell  : 3(TLC)
    DRAM Size,MB  : 512
    DRAM Clock,MHz: 1600
    DRAM Type     : DDR3
    PMIC Type     : PS6102
    
    Defects Early Read Prog Erase
    Bank00:   13    0    0    0
    Bank01:   33    0    0    0
    Bank02:   12    0    0    0
    Bank03:   14    0    0    0
    Bank04:   14    0    0    0
    Bank05:   14    0    0    0
    Bank06:   14    0    0    0
    Bank07:   27    0    0    0
    Bank08:   16    0    0    0
    Bank09:   18    0    0    0
    Bank10:   11    0    0    0
    Bank11:   19    0    0    0
    Bank12:   13    0    0    0
    Bank13:   16    0    0    0
    Bank14:   16    0    0    0
    Bank15:   14    0    0    0
    Total :  264    0    0    0
    
    Defects Early Read Prog Erase
    Ce00Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl2:    3    0    0    0
    Ce00Pl3:    3    0    0    0
    Ce01Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce01Pl1:    8    0    0    0
    Ce01Pl2:   13    0    0    0
    Ce01Pl3:    6    0    0    0
    Ce02Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce02Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce02Pl2:    2    0    0    0
    Ce02Pl3:    3    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce03Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce04Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce04Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce04Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce04Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce05Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce05Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce05Pl2:    3    0    0    0
    Ce05Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce06Pl0:    6    0    0    0
    Ce06Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce06Pl2:    2    0    0    0
    Ce06Pl3:    3    0    0    0
    Ce07Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce07Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce07Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce07Pl3:   15    0    0    0
    Ce08Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce08Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce08Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce08Pl3:    4    0    0    0
    Ce09Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce09Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce09Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce09Pl3:    5    0    0    0
    Ce10Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce10Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce10Pl2:    2    0    0    0
    Ce10Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce11Pl0:    4    0    0    0
    Ce11Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce11Pl2:    3    0    0    0
    Ce11Pl3:    9    0    0    0
    Ce12Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce12Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce12Pl2:    2    0    0    0
    Ce12Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce13Pl0:    7    0    0    0
    Ce13Pl1:    3    0    0    0
    Ce13Pl2:    4    0    0    0
    Ce13Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl2:    3    0    0    0
    Ce14Pl3:    4    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl0:    5    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl1:    4    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl2:    3    0    0    0
    Ce15Pl3:    2    0    0    0
    Total  :  264    0    0    0
    1TB Sabrent - new driver CrystalDiskMark.jpg

    System:
    6700K
    Asus Maximus VIII Hero
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2019
  32. D-EJ915

    D-EJ915 [H]ard|Gawd

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    Unrelated to this thread but EaseUS has always been pretty solid for me, I've used their partition master to expand out system reserved partitions on servers before and it worked great.
     
  33. Maxx

    Maxx [H]ard|Gawd

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    Oh yeah, I bought and use ToDo Backup Workstation and highly recommend it. It's 60% off all the time. It allows you to back up straight to a VM image which is very useful because I find a lot of people don't realize some saved passwords (e.g. Chrome) are linked to your Windows 10 account and you can't easily get them back without access to the original install.
     
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  34. OFaceSIG

    OFaceSIG 2[H]4U

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    I tell everyone that asks... for 1TB the phison drives. for 2TB the Intel 660p. Speaking from a value to performance perspective.
     
  35. Carmmond

    Carmmond n00b

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    Thought we would see 2TB drives under $180 but proven wrong:(
     
  36. jmilcher

    jmilcher [H]ardness Supreme

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    I still have my two 1tb drives since this thread started. Going strong. One is a dedicated games drive and gets used regularly.

    I think with a coupon the lowest I got one for was around $80 plus tax at MC.
     
  37. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Intel 660p. Though I don't know why anyone would complain about paying < US$250 for 2TB of TLC NVMe either.
     
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  38. Nenu

    Nenu [H]ardened

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    Sorry to report but this ended up shafting my OS install!

    With the new driver installed, benchmarks and load speed were very good, as before the update.
    But it took 1 to 2 seconds after clicking an icon before anything started to happen.
    It didnt cease doing this and became very annoying so I rolled back the driver about 2.5 hours ago.

    After rolling back to the original NVME driver Windows took about 10x longer to load, anything I try to do is so slow the computer is useless until it has finished, assuming it actually finishes!
    I tried to update the video driver, it took 15 minutes to give me a 640x480 8 colour display saying the driver failed to install.
    The computer was running so slow, it could barely do anything, this continued when returned to the desktop.
    Around 10 minutes later it changed to 1080p res and was using the old video driver.
    I checked resource monitor while this was happening, operations on the NVME drive were maxing out around 9MB/s.
    It was constantly busy because it was backed up just trying to run windows and the cleanup of the driver install!

    I installed the new NVME driver again in the vain hope it might restore usability but it didnt help.
    The driver is correctly installed but my drives max speed is still around 9MB/s while running Windows, it doesnt run any faster.

    Diskmark gives these figures.
    It took 5 minutes to run with only 50MB size, interval of 3 seconds.
    1TB Sabrent CrystalDiskMark shafted.jpg


    I am forced to restore a backup of my OS and copy any changed files into it.

    edit:
    It appears the drive is shafted now.
    Using a backup of my OS without NVME drivers, running from a hard drive, installed the 2 KBs to get NVME support.
    This is exactly the condition I first got my OS to work with this NVME drive.

    Restoring a backup to the NVME drive removed the partition correctly and loaded the whole backup into ram but didnt write anything to the drive. I had to terminate the process to quit.
    Testing performance of the games partition, it maxes out at 71MB/s, the same as the benchmark above.
    Damn.

    I tried to add the drive letter back to see if the OS partition was accessible.
    It caused the disk management console to error saying it needs to be restarted.
    On restart the console doesnt recognise the drive exists any more, time for a reboot ...


    edit 2:
    This might have been a co-incidental bad connection of the drive to the mobo.
    I reseated the drive and performance is top notch again.
    I'm restoring my OS back to it, I'll update what happens ...


    edit3:
    Yep, thats all it was, last thing I expected!
    The drive works perfectly again.
    Phew!
    Apologies for the extended rant lol.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2019
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  39. Carmmond

    Carmmond n00b

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    Inland Premium NVME SSD Internal Drive (2TB) is $215 and the Sabrent 2tb is $250..... any codes still working to bring them down and any reason to get one over the other?
    Love my 1tb Sabrent but want to fill the other slot with a 2tb and lose 2 mechanical drives.
     
  40. erek

    erek [H]ardness Supreme

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    Any newer firmware then 12.3 yet?