Hot! - Inland 1TB NVMe Premium $107.99 Microcenter

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  1. SixFootDuo

    SixFootDuo [H]ardness Supreme

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    I love this thread and I love that people are saving money and getting such a nice and fast NVMe drive. The inland and others. It's all good no matter what you do.

    Hopefully memory stays / gets a bit cheaper.
     
  2. Zarathustra[H]

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    Hmm.

    It may be awfully soon for these, but does anyone have any inkling what the write endurance might be like? I could see one or two of these being a great L2ARC cache device for ZFS in a storage server.

    These are MLC right?
     
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  4. Lateralus

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    If you really want the Inland, let me know and I'd be more than happy to help get one to you. Happy to help a fellow [H] get what he needs to an APO address, just let me know.
     
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    TLC
     
  6. SixFootDuo

    SixFootDuo [H]ardness Supreme

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    Its supposed to be a massive amount of endurance on these chips. like 12 - 15 years? It was literally hundreds of thousands of hours

    to put this into perspective ...8 years is about 70,000 hours.

    I am willing to bet NONE of you here have anything PC related that you're using after 5 years let alone 8

    Your good bro ..... you're good ....
     
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    You're kidding right? I bet there's plenty of people with even older HDDs.
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    WD VelociRaptor WD5000HHTZ 10000 RPM 64MB Cache 500GB SATA 6.0Gb/s
    Purchased Nov 2012 and have been using it every day since.
    No need to toss out state of the art hardware after a couple of years, that's ludicrous.
     
  9. Zarathustra[H]

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    Write endurance is not measured as a factor of time, it is the quantity of writes that matter.

    Ah, that is a shame. I'd happily use TLC as a desktop drive (and I do, I have a 1TB 970 EVO) but a NAS cache drive sees a serious amount of writes.

    The OP suggested it was a competitor for the Samsung Pro line of drives which made me think it must be MLC. No TLC drive is a Samsung Pro competitor. The Pro line is for high write endurance applications and TLC simply does not have it.
     
  10. UZ7

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    Oh thanks man! I appreciate it!

    I might just go with the Corsair MP510 or the BPX Pro when it comes in stock just for the 5 year warranty/1700TBW :LOL:
     
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  11. lostin3d

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    The rig I'm typing this on is still using the original mobo/cpu/cpu cooler when I built it. MSI Z68 GD65 B3, Intel 2600k, Hyper 212 Cooler. All parts released during 2011. I ordered all during the summer and assembled around September of 2011. At one point during my upgrade to my 4930k build, December of 2014, I used it's PSU and HAF932 case that's still listed in my sig below. The 2600k sat for about a year and as I upgraded parts on the 4930k I was able to put some back and ultimately decided I wanted to still use it in another room. It's rebuilt state is listed in my profile. Using the MSI OC genie it's been a stable 4.2GHZ for seven years now and coupled with a 1080TI and g-sync monitor has made a great 1440p gaming machine plus some 4k.

    So one rig pushing really close to eight years and still going strong but I give it maybe 1-2 more. That 2600k is getting long in the tooth and I know I could probably manually OC it to closer to 5GHZ but just not worth it for me. With 2018-2019 games I've started seeing it 70-90% usage in 1440p and I know that some bottleneck is happening. I recently moved my 1440p display to the other rig for RT Ultra testing so now a 4k monitor(LG 31 MU97) is hooked up. CPU usage has dropped to 35-45% while the 1080TI get's a workout using my full OC settings for gaming. Pride for this one is that it's still working great and in it's rebuilt state has now HDD's or even optical. One SSD for OS, one SSD for games, a pair of SSD's in raid for more games.

    The other 4930k rig pushing 4 1/2 years with a PSU that's been used for 8(I did buy a spare a year ago just in case) and the HAF932 that's also been around since the same. To be fair though I've replace most fans in the case and added some too. I give this rig another 2-4 years. The RPG/FPS games I play at 4k/60hz barely push that CPU beyond 25-35%. I recently did some 1440p/144hz testing and did get to see it hit 60-70%. It was kind of amusing since it took a 2080TI to hit that and how often people love to chime in about cpu bottlenecks and the need to drop a ridiculous amount of whatever the newest CPU's are.

    Both rigs have seen many changes. The 1st one started with 2 raids comprised of 4 seagate 500GB HDD's I got for $50 from walmart in 2011. They eventually went into the 4930k and had around 5 years on them before I retired them. At one point I even added the 2 samsung 850pro's that are now in the 2600k rig and had 3 raids and 3 gpu's pulling power off that PSU. Figured, hey I got 1200w for a reason right?

    Bottom line, 5 years is easy for most of my components and 8 years is around the corner for others.
     
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  12. Zarathustra[H]

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    Actually, let me bring this up as well.

    I'm still on my i7-3930k and Asus p9x79 WS I bought at launch in 2011.

    My laptop is a Dell Latitude E6430S which launched in 2012.

    My Server runs on a dual socket Xeon L5640, a platform which launched in early 2010.

    Almost everything I have PC wise is older than 5 years :p
     
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  13. tangoseal

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    Haha that dude must be jesting. The one you quoted.

    I am running a Sandy Bridge Xeon E5 server in my home that has been running literally 24/7 for 7 or so years now non stop. It is my NAS and Plex etc... server.

    I also have tons of hard drives etc... that still work perfectly fine and I use them for various projects.
     
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    Got the 512gb version of this the other day from mc at $65. Noticed firmware was 12.2 and has a Hynix DDR4 module like the one pictured in the OP. I've seen the amazon/mc reference pictures which show Nanya modules which if you look up the part number on the chip shows it is DDR3L. Does this have any significance? I assume the difference is negligible.
     
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    WDC black 1TB dates back to original launch date.. sometime in 2008 still kicking
    WDC black Enterprise drive that I got from a fellow [H]er that prolly first saw service in 2012 lol

    Xbox 360 120GB drive still in use...

    both still in use
     
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    Picked one up on Friday and get it installed.
    Went through all the general image migration BS and nothing worked and ended up doing a clean install.

    Also had to use Disk part and manually assign a drive letter before it would recognize.
    During the reboots for the windows 10 install I got BIOS warning that it had exceeded the critical temp twice... so yes, SURFACE OF THE SUN HOT confirmed..

    Disk was spiked and capping at 45MBps during all the windows and software installs, it wasnt until the October Win 10 roll-up did it finally kick up to full speed. Not totally sure why, but seems to be working fine now.
    Dont forget, these have a 3year warranty out of the box.
     

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    Thanks for the update. I think I'll stick to the name brands for the time being other than those instances when I know everything under the hood is the same. Glad you got it working though. Since I'm pushing air cooling to its limits with my rigs the last thing I want to do is introduce something that's going to add heat but I'm looking to the horizon for 2TB sizes since games keep getting larger as does my library. Definitely have reached that next level where size, speed, and temps, will be the next issues I tackle for future upgrades.
     
  18. Zarathustra[H]

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    Hmm. Is there a reason you didn't just use Gparted on a linux live image to duplicate the partition to the new drive?

    Was it a traditional MBR to UEFI boot transition? Those tend to be a little bit more involved.
     
  19. Fleat

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    I don't believe that will work because of the lack of 512e on these drives.
     
  20. Zarathustra[H]

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    I have never found sector size to be a problem when duplicating partitions. You just have to align them properly to avoid performance loss, which all modern partition management software does automatically.
     
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    I can only say that I tried and was not successful. Could be a knowledge issue, but every relevant post I found while searching was in relation to advanced format drives (which also support 512e).
     
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    I love my inland.

    It's been working hard doing video work since I got it.
     
  23. SixFootDuo

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    I'm talking to people, about people who maintain current modern and relevant PC's with normal and expected use case situations.

    So no, I am not kidding.

    I'm sure there are some odd situations out there, people that don't care, their use case scenario is different than most, etc. I'm speaking to the mainstream mostly.

    I have a 30 year old 80mb quantum fireball that's older than a lot of you guys on here and it works perfectly. I'm not going to go throwing that in peoples faces. That wasn't really the intent of what I was trying to say.
     
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    Cool, but you know and I know I wasn't talking specifically about you. I'm talking to people that maintain and want current gen hardware. 5 year old boot NVMe? Most people won't have that drive in 5 years. So, don't worry about write cycles and wear and tear. 99% of you will not EVER face those issues.

    Look, as soon as I can drop in a 4tb or 8tb or 16gb NVMe for $200 or whatever, me and most everyone else will be doing that.
     
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    yeah, odd. Most people here are not reporting those issues. Without knowing how hot you keep your room, how many fans your case has, the case itself, airflow, and many many other factors, it's really hard to say.

    There are a few guys here that are scared, concerned with off brands or new brands or little known brands, etc, don't care about hot deals, etc etc, whatever the case may be and those guys just stick to paying more for the peace of mind. And that's cool. This Inland drive is most DEF not going to be for everyone. I think we all understand that.
     
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  26. bobow

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    Since when is a 3TB/4TB HDD not current, modern, or relevant? What are you trying to prove?
     
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    I'll have to double check the model manufacture dates but I'm pretty sure the OS drives in my 4930k rig and an old Toshiba Qosmio x775 laptop are pushing close to 5 years or more now. Both are Intel SATA III models, a 320 and the other model I don't remember at the moment.

    Other than OS drives I do agree with you though in regards to most users wanting NVMe and what's fastest and biggest in terms of common upgrades.

    I think it's funny now how we've finally hit a real wall in terms of PCIe lanes for these, as well as heat issues, and the need for faster ram, cpu, MOBO chipsets to fully utilize them. A lot of these issues have always been but to utilize some of the newer fantastical speeds these issues are even more crucial now. Man I thought it was complicated back in the day just trying to shop for something to support 2-4 GPU's. Now it's just as complicated for 1 GPU and trying to get the most out of NVMe's.
     
  28. lostin3d

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    Ahh brings back memories. I had taken a break from PC's in between 8086 & P1. Every now and then when I have to go digging thru the closet for something I find drives from my P2 to P4 days that sound like that. Man, I don't miss those 40/80 ribbons or the constant checking to make sure DMA was working correctly. My P4 had some drives that pushed close to 7 years back until they actually failed but that was back when I didn't focus on good cases and cooling. Still got that rig in the closet since it was the first one I'd fully upgraded and rebuilt since my Atari days and it had my 1st HDD raid(SATA I w/ AGP x8). Back then I remember hearing from a friend describing these new expensive fancy things called solid state. I used to ask him if he was confused and meant ramdisks.
     
  29. RomanMtz

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    This might be a bit off topic, but could anyone point me toward the best way to upgrade to one of these (from a 860 evo M.2 to this inland M.2 with mobo with only one slot)? I previously went from a 2.5" 850 pro to a M.2 860 evo pretty painlessly using Samsung's Magician software but not sure how I'd go about cloning the evo to this new drive without issues since you can only use that software on samsung drives. I checked a bit online and there seems to be a lot of cloning options available so I wanted to see if I could get opinions on the better ones. Considering clonezilla now... Thanks!
     
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    I use Macrium Reflect and when I do that kind of clone I install a sata HD and put the clone image on the HD. Make the recovery media on a USB flash drive and boot off the USB after replacing M.2 drive with new M.2 drive. Point Macrium to the image you created on the HD and have it install on the new M.2 drive. Done.
     
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    I'm currently using the PNY CS2030 M.2 NVME drive and it uses the same Phison Controller. Runs hotter than the Devil's balls. I had to add a heatsink with a 70mm fan blowing over it to keep temps in check so it wouldn't throttle constantly.
     
  32. UZ7

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    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236477

    These are back in stock for those who want the 5 year/1700TWB (60,000miles/powertrain/engine:LOL:) warranty.

    Not the better deal in terms of price ($149.99 USD) but you have that name brand/warranty/piece of mind etc... (if you've had good dealings with Corsair)

    Just like the BPX Pro it comes with 960GB for the fact that it comes over-provisioned from the factory.


    On a side note I currently have a Samsung 970 EVO 1TB and it was running at 60-70C idle w/ the ASUS heatsink. Replaced the thermal pad with TG minus pad 8 (any thicker one would probably work), now temps run around 40-50C. Just on the controller since nand likes to run warm/hot and same heatsink that came with the motherboard.
     
  33. SixFootDuo

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    Ok let me put it another way, and btw, you guys need to stop playing. You know exactly the point I am trying to make.

    I'm talking about BOOT drives ...

    Would you agree most people care about speed? Boot times? Loading times? The answer is a definitive yes. You don't ..... so you're outside the scope of the point I was trying to illustrate.

    What I really want to get across to you guys is that this drive is a very cheap $120 ..... its faster than most drives and as fast as the Samsung EVO Plus .... give or take % here and there.

    This drive uses mainstream parts from major manufacturers that literally do billions in business. It's not cheap. The name of the product is besides the point. It is going to last you a long time.

    The one mistake a made as young person is I over thought ... everything.

    You guys are way way over thinking this item. Don't do that.
     
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    or spend a few more bucks on the deal on the sx8200 pro that actually trades blows with the 970 evo instead of one that just trades blows in sequential throughput. ;)


    some folks obviously trolling you Six. it's not the drive or deal that people don't care for. it's how you are selling it. there are clearly areas where it falls down in comparison. in 4k queue depth 1 - it lags behind the 970 evo by 38% on average. this is the number that matters to most folks looking for an affordable nvme.

    **added - this Inland is a good deal/value. I think I've said that enough, but I feel like I should say it again.
     
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    Not trying to be condescending in saying this ... but jesus fuk ... it's only ... $119 .... fcking dollars. This isn't a house or a car ... lol

    Who cares what the name of the product is ... who cares about 4K whatever the hell you guys are talking about, honestly, what does it really matter? What's the life of this product? I mean, seriously? I'm fairly certain that 90% of the people that bought this drive think as I do.

    On the other hand, I'm very happy to see this thread keep going. The more views, the more people that will investigate which translates to people possibly buying this drive. I've been waiting forever for a super fast cheap 1TB NVMe drive. And I know I'm not the only one.

    I don't feel trolled and I really don't feel like I'm fighting or arguing with anyone here. I'm more than happy to keep posting and sharing my thoughts on the matter. If I can save one dude from spending $100 more dollars on a Samsung which I'm sure I've done .. then it's worth it.

    Look, if you guys go out and say, buy 2 tickets to the new Avengers movie, that's $25 give or take depending where you live, lets also say you stopped and got $20 in gas cause you're driving across town and you're going to need gas tomorrow for work or whatever and before all of this you went and got dinner with your girl some place you like to eat, had a few drinks, a $5 tip or whatever .... and after all of that, at the end of the night ... you're damn near $100 spent .... I mean, we all do that every other week, once a month. And is it something you wake up to the next morning and stress the fuck out over?... "Why did I spend that $100!?!?!" .. "Did I do the right thing?" ... "Does this bitch even like me?"... "Did I waste that money on her buying her her meal?" "all of that money and I didn't even get dome!" ... "I mean ... god, what am I going to do?" ... "All of last night was a HUGE mistake and I'm just going to regret it .. I know I will ... "

    No, no you don't. None of you do that.

    Some of you MF's are acting like this $120 cheap ass drive is like hiring an attorney for your defense type of seriousness ... it's not .. relax ... buy this shit, enjoy it ... it if breaks ... replace it.

    Hahaha ..

    Jesus .........
     
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    Again - it's just the fact that you say for $120 you get a Samsung 970 killer. - no, no you don't. it matches it in one metric, that's it. for $120 - you get a pretty okay nvme drive. had you been preaching that, totally agree with what you are saying.

    And again, for less than $20 more than this, you can get 970 speed from another nvme drive (and a 5 year warranty). not sure if that matters or not, as sometimes $20 is a big difference to you in your posts and in some it is not.
     
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    All things considered ....

    $20 more? Man, I just don't know ... I have a lot of logic red flags going into thinking that's just not a smart move.

    One, $20 isn't worth something you're never going to feel or see. All of these drives are already peaking at their performance levels regardless of controller, manufacturer and size ... logic tells all of us the $20 would be better served in ones back pocket. You're literally paying more for fractions of a second and a warranty a majority of you will never use.

    Two, better warranty? I mean, how many here are taking this fcking thing to the grave with you? 3 years is an incredible long time for people that maintain current and relevant PC's. In 3 years time, if history tells us anything, NVMe's will be ... what? ... 8TB or 16TB for $120 dollars 3 years from now? So you're telling us that you're gonna rock this 1TB NVMe past the warranty date? Stop shucking an jiving homie ... lol.

    Maybe I'm the weird one here. Who knows. I love to continually update my PC. I can't be the only one?

    If you don't mind, In 3 years time, on May 1st 2022 ... can you find this tread and post a picture of you using this NVMe drive or whatever you currently have in your main rig and as your main boot drive. I'm open to having my mind changed.

    Let's see, 3 years ago, 120gb was pretty popular still ... fast forward using your logic, that would mean ... a lot of you here are still using 120gb SSD boot drives? No, the answer would be no. I said "majority" ... I'm not talking to the far and few odd betweens or dudes with odd pc situations, hold outs, hand me downs, HTPC's, your Grandparents, donations, etc etc etc .......

    I do have a Samsung 512GB 970 Pro and the E12 does a pretty damn good job against it. I did post those numbers at the very start of this tread if you're interested.
     
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  38. YeuEmMaiMai

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    lol did you see the 1.9TB price... $732.79
     
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    Just a bit of a jump eh? $600 for four of the others or $732.79 for the one. Totally reminds me of the dilemma every gen of large capacity storage. From HDD's to SSD's it still remains the same. Prices like that are why raids will likely never truly go away.
     
  40. lostin3d

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    I might be the only one, but I have to agree with you on all these points. One of the larger arguments for PC gaming is the ability to play older games even as time, tech, and OS's move on. I've had steam since around 2012 and now have over 100 games, about 2-3 dozen more from EA, a dozen or so from GOG, a few left over from cd-rom/dvd rom days, and now(sad to say) a few from Epic. I don't have a single rig that I'm able to keep all these on and granted I may go years not playing some but it sure would be nice to have them all installed in one place. 2TB doesn't even cut it and honestly thinking closer the 8TB just so I'd have a few years after to fill it up.

    Speeds, yeah nitpicking a few or even 10-20MBs isn't really going to be noticable with SSD's. Warranties, well, it depends but I guess I must be lucky because ever since I've kept my components cool and cleanly powered I haven't had drive issues and having used a half dozen name brands and tiers. So yeah, 3 year or more warranties don't concern me. Like I said earlier I'm rocking some Intel's from nearly five years ago and diagnostics are not showing wear or tear or errors still. I know that HDD prices have dropped but not interested for gaming. Modern games like SOTTR, Metro Exodus, MEA, BFV, on SATA III SSD's are already taking a bit long(1st world problems I know) so going back to platters are not an option except for media(got a great deal a year or so ago for WD red 8TB I use in a KDlinks KODI box). Got a 'white label' 6TB pretty cheap($79) about 3 years ago that's my media drive in my 4930k rig. Now that I've walked way from SLI NVMe is on the horizon for my 4930k/X79 rig since I've got the lanes and PCIe slots to spare.