Here are AMD's Radeon VII Benchmarks

Krenum said:
Wait a second, we know it needs 16gb's for the HBM2 stack, wasn't there a report that GDDR6 costs 70% more than GDDR5, 6 being used in the 2080 series. Was it necessary?
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There's probably more to it than performance and cost; volume and deliverability have to factor in too. I.e., what the RAM manufacturers can make and what they're willing to make, not just unit cost.
 
Krenum said:
All this talk about Ray Tracing. I haven't seen anything about it that would remotely justify the purchase price. Reflections in water puddles? Big whoop! Also, we've been gaming on rasterized cards since conception, a few more years aren't gonna hurt us. Besides that there are two games that use it, BFV & Anthem. I have a funny feeling that Ray Tracing is going to be the next PhysX in terms of usage by developers, or until its used on the next tier of consoles.
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Good explanation that does not dwell in the programing or math. Also, differentiates the RTX hybrid approach, from true path tracing engines and so how games will integrate is the big question???
 
funkydmunky said:
Yes, the question again. In two years time what will be more important. First Gen RT w/8GB or 16GB HBM2
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Ray tracing and DLSS, easy. Neither card is fast enough to make use of >8GB of VRAM, but at least other implementations of ray tracing can be accelerated, and DLSS will be one hell of a payoff.
 
Snowdensjacket said:
I play a lot of total war Warhammer 2. I just used DSR to mimic 4k on my 1080p system and ran the battle benchmark with my OCed rtx 2070. I got 32.6 fps while amd is reporting 34.6. Though they do not say what benchmark they used.

In the campaign benchmark I got 40.0 fps.

In the Skaven benchmark I got 42.3 fps.

This is with my OCed 2070 with the core clock averaging 2085 mhz with the memory at +800. I don't even know what stock is. 1600mhz or something.

Will be interesting to see the [H] review.

And hey will be even more interesting if "it just works" DLSS ever actually works.
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Have you played the vamp coast campaign yet?
 
The reality is that this card is closer to a Titan V than anything else out there. Massive FP64 performance + Memory bandwith that surpasses even the Titan V. Minus the 16 GB of HBM2 and of course the best part. The price ….:D
 
Nolan7689 said:
If it makes you feel any better Vega 64s have jumped back up to above 500 with one exception. (PowerColor at 419). This announcement alone seemed to fuck prices back up.
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I was really debating on getting a cheap Vega for $399 or less, hope this doesn't last.
 
Snowdensjacket said:
High elves are great. I've done them, lizard men, empire , dwarves, lizard men again, and norsca. Norsca were beasts with their raiding and sacking abilities
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Vamp coast is so OP. Pro tip, send vampire captains out to EST. pirate coves.
 
nightanole said:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-first-radeon-7-benchmark-results-in-25-games


So it doesnt even compete with the 2080? it competes with the 2070, and is $699?

I think they would have been better off releasing it for $499...



Come on guys, i want to replace my 1070 i bought years ago for $350, with something that is faster, for $350.
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Dude how you going to quote the benchmarks where it performs the worst. If you’re gonna cite something, at least read the whole thing and be objective. Like with all benchmarks, some engines work better then others. Cherry picking games then coming to a conclusion is just misleading.
 
Hmm, good point what would have better resale value then? That's actually tough to predict, but since we're playing hypotheticals :) I feel like Nvidia has some fine wine going since Maxwell where any game performance drivers to Pascal/Turing applies to Maxwell similar to GCN for AMD.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Ray tracing and DLSS, easy. Neither card is fast enough to make use of >8GB of VRAM, but at least other implementations of ray tracing can be accelerated, and DLSS will be one hell of a payoff.
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If BFV is an example of RTX performance across the board, then the feature is essentially worthless on the entire 2000 series line. True ray tracing will perform even worse than Nvidia's hybrid approach. It will be YEARS before RT (either true or RTX) is more than a performance killing novelty on consumer-grade cards.

DLSS is still at the "has potential" state. We're four months from the release of the 2000-series cards so far only a single game supports the feature. Anthem, assuming it has support day one, will only be the second game to support it. Despite several of the announced games having been released before or since (in the case of Darksiders 3 and Tomb Raider) there is no sign of it appearing in them. DLSS could be one hell of a feature, if anyone ever gets around to adding it to games.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
It isn't; there are other planned implementations, and we know that Frostbyte games in general suffer under DX12, which is necessary for DXR.
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Probably true. Unfortunately its the only thing we have to go off of right now. With Nvidia completely avoiding talking about Metro during their CES conference it seems likely that won't launch with RTX support either so we're stuck waiting on someone besides DICE to add it so we can see how performance pans out on different engines from different developers.
 
Derangel said:
If BFV is an example of RTX performance across the board, then the feature is essentially worthless on the entire 2000 series line. True ray tracing will perform even worse than Nvidia's hybrid approach. It will be YEARS before RT (either true or RTX) is more than a performance killing novelty on consumer-grade cards.

DLSS is still at the "has potential" state. We're four months from the release of the 2000-series cards so far only a single game supports the feature. Anthem, assuming it has support day one, will only be the second game to support it. Despite several of the announced games having been released before or since (in the case of Darksiders 3 and Tomb Raider) there is no sign of it appearing in them. DLSS could be one hell of a feature, if anyone ever gets around to adding it to games.
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I only play single player but I play BF5 at 2560 x 1080 at ultra everything including ultra ray tracing, and that's with a 2070. No problems there. So all these constant claims that you can't actually use ray tracing are false.
 
Snowdensjacket said:
I only play single player but I play BF5 at 2560 x 1080 at ultra everything including ultra ray tracing, and that's with a 2070. No problems there. So all these constant claims that you can't actually use ray tracing are false.
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At what frame rate?
 
People still defending this cards?!

If AMD wants to sell this card at a loss while white knights fan boys defend their sensibilities, lets them. Thanks for what little competition AMD offers.
If people want to wait till next month to buy a card without PhysX and RTX for the same price (and propbably more) instead of a card that available NOW, let them. You can't argue with stupid.
When people have to go as far as saying the CEO is a douchbag as a technical argument, what hope is there for a resonable discussion? Your time is better spent else where.

Want to discuss something....Why did AMD have to use an Intel CPU to bench their card in the first place?
 
ecktt said:
Want to discuss something....Why did AMD have to use an Intel CPU to bench their card in the first place?
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Because ryzen 3xxx series isn't released yet and intel is still king. If a benchmarking site wanted to compare results, they couldn't just go to their local grocery and get a ryzen 3600 or somesuch to compare.
 
ecktt said:
People still defending this cards?!

If AMD wants to sell this card at a loss while white knights fan boys defend their sensibilities, lets them. Thanks for what little competition AMD offers.
If people want to wait till next month to buy a card without PhysX and RTX for the same price (and propbably more) instead of a card that available NOW, let them. You can't argue with stupid.
When people have to go as far as saying the CEO is a douchbag as a technical argument, what hope is there for a resonable discussion? Your time is better spent else where.

Want to discuss something....Why did AMD have to use an Intel CPU to bench their card in the first place?
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Bolded section, in Hards interview with Scott Herkelman it was stated that AMD will be selling these cards direct from their website and at MSRP.

Unstated that it’ll be while supplies last, but with that news it’s harder to argue the price will be constantly gouged.


As for your last statement on using intel CPUs, well they don’t have to but chose to. They’ve been doing that since the Fury release. There really is no reason to not paint their cards in the best possible light using “released” CPUs. Which their new series that beat Intel in a single cinebench test, doesn’t qualify as being released. So perhaps that’s why they used Intels CPUs.
 
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People still defending this cards?!

If AMD wants to sell this card at a loss while white knights fan boys defend their sensibilities, lets them. Thanks for what little competition AMD offers.
If people want to wait till next month to buy a card without PhysX and RTX for the same price (and propbably more) instead of a card that available NOW, let them. You can't argue with stupid.
When people have to go as far as saying the CEO is a douchbag as a technical argument, what hope is there for a resonable discussion? Your time is better spent else where.

Want to discuss something....Why did AMD have to use an Intel CPU to bench their card in the first place?
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Nvidia cards bought.
1999: Riva TNT
2000: Geforce 256
2001: Geforce 2 MX400
2002: Geforce 3 Ti200
2004: Geforce 6600 GT
2008: Gefroce 9600
2012: Geforce 660 Ti
2014: Geforce 680 (Died) / Geforce 770 Ti (burned out 30 days after RMA)

Stopped buying Nvidia after being double burned on cards by EVGA.

Features I drank the koolaid on, sure. What I learned about "features" is that they are empty promises like lovers in the heat of the moment. No matter if it is AMD, Intel, or Nvidia those features will always fail to deliver. How many hardware features took off after time? Most of the features I see as, "staple," were introduced via software implementation and not hardware locked down infrastructures.

DLSS, how is this any different from console upscaling. Hell, I remember when people coded games with static image backgrounds while polygons ran around on the screen to save graphic proccessing time. They marketed it as running around a truly 3D world. Sounds a bit similar. Take the most visually grabbing objects and spend time on those throw the rest away to low image quality. No scale that up to 4k. Umm, ok.

RTX. Did not know it was a hybrid approach. Although I did see that it is only implemented in limited spots of the screen. You know what else did that, PhysX. If I remember my Batman Arkham Asylum and Borderlands 2 correctly they did the same things there. Only interspersed moments of usage in game. A moment of, "Oooh, look at that. It is pretty cool."
Then it died off. You know why? Game developers did not see the benefit of investing development time into segregating the rest of the gaming population. Hairworks is another example of this.

G-Sync, lol. See the about-face at CES 2019 to see how that went.

If you ask me Nvidia just tried to move on with another imposed feature. They are attempting to sell it as a feature we need to access the next level of gaming. Games Workshop, PhysX, G-Sync all have not paid off enough or at all. Now we have DLSS and RTX being shoved down our throats.

Am I supposed to take individuals preaching these features as some sort of premium worthy second coming? When I see the market truly shift to this crap I'll pick up a card then. Same with VR. Otherwise, you can keep your $1200 rice rocket (1080 Ti + DLSS + RTX) with features that may/may-not payoff. Until then I will buy whatever plays the games "I" play best and use the money I saved to take a vacation.

Sadly it looks as though AMD is my only option given how egotistical Nvidia has gotten with their pricing. Sticking with my $180 RX 470 for a while longer. Was really hoping to see something in the $400's with that performance. Ah well we can dream and hope.
 
ecktt said:
People still defending this cards?!

If AMD wants to sell this card at a loss while white knights fan boys defend their sensibilities, lets them. Thanks for what little competition AMD offers.
If people want to wait till next month to buy a card without PhysX and RTX for the same price (and propbably more) instead of a card that available NOW, let them. You can't argue with stupid.
When people have to go as far as saying the CEO is a douchbag as a technical argument, what hope is there for a resonable discussion? Your time is better spent else where.

Want to discuss something....Why did AMD have to use an Intel CPU to bench their card in the first place?
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GPU PhysX is dead and RTX is essentially worthless on cards of that calibur. Plus RTX only exists on a single game at the moment with no sign of when more will come.
 
Big dog navi 20 due out in 2020. Guess this 7nm vega is here to tide us over until then.
 
rtx off / RTX on - u pick

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Derangel said:
GPU PhysX is dead and RTX is essentially worthless on cards of that calibur. Plus RTX only exists on a single game at the moment with no sign of when more will come.
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Well there was one other game but that whole patch got cancelled (Final Fantasy)
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Ray tracing and DLSS, easy. Neither card is fast enough to make use of >8GB of VRAM, but at least other implementations of ray tracing can be accelerated, and DLSS will be one hell of a payoff.
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Except ray tracing doen't even work on current games at acceptable framerates....
 
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