HDMI 2.1 120Hz Adaptive 4K OLED goodness: LG 2019 updates C&D models!

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This might be what many of you are waiting for, input lag seems very low in gaming mode to boot.

Their 2018 models were already great delivering 120Hz 1440 action which many here have had high praise for, I was content with waiting a little longer.
But of course it took a damn TV manufacturer to do this. Gaming monitor industry can go and die in a fire for the eternal cocktease that they have been, I've held off upgrading since 2011 because I want a large format display that does 4k/120 at full bitrate for work and play. HDR is a bonus and OLED will deliver pretty well there. Only niggle is 55" is just a bit too big. Would prefer 40" range but can always sit a bit further back if you have a 10k desk to match..

It's LTT, no articles yet that I can see unfortunately so pooptube it is, sorry people.
 

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The LG C9 has been out for a year already and is probably THE choice for a gaming TV. We still don't know how it handles 4K @ 120 Hz because there are no devices that can run that out there but hopefully it will be re-reviewed when HDMI 2.1 graphics card get released.

I was very tempted to pick one of these up during Black Friday but decided to hold on until the C10 series gets released and see if that brings any worthwhile improvements.

For desktop use OLED will still require special care and next year's rumored 48" model will be a much better choice for that as it's at least slightly less massive. Still needs a deep desk or wall mounting further away.
 

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The LG C9 has been out for a year already and is probably THE choice for a gaming TV. We still don't know how it handles 4K @ 120 Hz because there are no devices that can run that out there but hopefully it will be re-reviewed when HDMI 2.1 graphics card get released.

I was very tempted to pick one of these up during Black Friday but decided to hold on until the C10 series gets released and see if that brings any worthwhile improvements.

For desktop use OLED will still require special care and next year's rumored 48" model will be a much better choice for that as it's at least slightly less massive. Still needs a deep desk or wall mounting further away.
Fair on the 4k/120 but they can be driven at reduced colour depth currently even on DP screens.
48" I could definitely deal with, thanks for the tip. I would also be waiting to see what comes out but also to have a price drop, that said I thought they'd fixed the OLED burn in mostly for desktop use?
 

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Pretty old news at this point. But yeah the LGs are the best gaming displays out right now in terms of raw IQ.

I’ve neglected my desktop and PG279Q in favor of my htpc and C9. Comfy couch + big screen 120hz OLED = gaming heaven.
 
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I've considered the LG C9 but as said above I think its not worth the investment until GPUs with HDMI 2.1 comes out and we dont know if that will be next year or the year after or when.
 

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Dang, can't wait to buy one when the next generation GPUs come out with hdmi 2.1
 

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48" is still massive. Not much smaller than 55".
http://www.displaywars.com/48-inch-16x9-vs-55-inch-16x9
Yeah it's true you still need to mount it behind most desks, and you can't place it on the desk, but every bit helps and lets you bring the display a bit closer. I'd want a 55" display at ~42 inches distant, 48" would work at 36", which is only about 6" behind my desk. Also it shaves maybe 4 inches off the display height, which helps a bunch with ergonomics too.
 

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Yeah it's true you still need to mount it behind most desks, and you can't place it on the desk, but every bit helps and lets you bring the display a bit closer. I'd want a 55" display at ~42 inches distant, 48" would work at 36", which is only about 6" behind my desk. Also it shaves maybe 4 inches off the display height, which helps a bunch with ergonomics too.
Not sure about the 42 inches distance. I'm sitting at ~47-51 inches (120-130cm) and definitely wouldn't mind longer distance. That's 55" OLED. Using this display is definitely uncomfortable. Image quaity of course outweights this disadvantage.... Imagining the 48" display, I don't think it would make a big difference. It may shave off several inches of required length of frontal positionning. But it's still way beyond the reasonable level of PC usage.
 

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The best way to setup 55” TVs as gaming monitors would be to put your desk behind a couch. This would give you 4-5’ sitting distance and allow for an audience/chill area. You would have to setup your PC remote from your desk. That’s the biggest drawback, and you’ll be limited to Usb 3.0 hubs
 
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I ran a 55 C7 as my primary computer monitor for almost 2 years. The biggest issue with sitting close is the raw brightness of it. The 48 will help and I'm planning on buying one because VRR and 120hz BFI with a 5ms input lag and OLED is a dream. I've been using a 144hz gaming monitor for competitive FPS the past 6 months and it's a piece of shit compared to Oled except for input lag and motion clarity. The CX resolves that issue. I need 120hz BFI. I love BFI.

Here's the plan:

FPS gaming: 1440p @ 120hz with BFI enabled (And VRR enabled if LG can manage it but that's very unlikely).

Other games: 4k @ 120hz with VRR enabled.

Hardware: I plan on also getting Zen 3, HDMI 2.1 videocard and 48inch LG Oled before the end 2020.
 
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I ran a 55 C7 as my primary computer monitor for almost 2 years. The biggest issue with sitting close is the raw brightness of it. The 48 will help and I'm planning on buying one because VRR and 120hz BFI with a 5ms input lag and OLED is a dream. I've been using a 144hz gaming monitor for competitive FPS the past 6 months and it's a piece of shit compared to Oled except for input lag and motion clarity. The CX resolves that issue. I need 120hz BFI. I love BFI.

Here's the plan:

FPS gaming: 1440p @ 120hz with BFI enabled (And VRR enabled if LG can manage it but that's very unlikely).

Other games: 4k @ 120hz with VRR enabled.

Hardware: I plan on also getting Zen 3, HDMI 2.1 videocard and 48inch LG Oled before the end 2020.
Never considered the brightness. Is this mainly because it's so large? Are the display controls not enough to get the brightness down to a comfortable level?
 

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Never considered the brightness. Is this mainly because it's so large? Are the display controls not enough to get the brightness down to a comfortable level?
The size is a huge factor yes, think about how close your sitting and how much display area is giving off light. Then acknowledge that the display is built to pump 1000nit brightness levels in HDR. When you first turn it on and put it on your desk it's sort of like being in a movie theater because the display is so large but it's also dramatically brighter. EDit: Forgot to say, the OLED brightness at 20ish is close to a traditional monitor. The new LG CX automatically switches to game mode too so having one display mode for Desktop use and another for gaming will be easier I think (and hope).

The way to adjust brightness on an OLED is a little different than LCDs because it doesn't have a backlight. Adjusting the OLED panel brightness is better than adjusting the 'brightness' setting on OLEDs for calibration reasons. This also has the benefit of reducing the risk of burn-in. Many users on AVS actually find their OLEDs too bright even for just regular television use and lower their brightness. That's why I find the argument "but LCD is brighter" so silly. If you're using it as a computer monitor you won't be able to stand 100% brightness on any 48 inch or larger display anyway.
 
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The size is a huge factor yes, think about how close your sitting and how much display area is giving off light. Then acknowledge that the display is built to pump 1000nit brightness levels in HDR. When you first turn it on and put it on your desk it's sort of like being in a movie theater because the display is so large but it's also dramatically brighter. EDit: Forgot to say, the OLED brightness at 20ish is close to a traditional monitor. The new LG CX automatically switches to game mode too so having one display mode for Desktop use and another for gaming will be easier I think (and hope).

The way to adjust brightness on an OLED is a little different than LCDs because it doesn't have a backlight. Adjusting the OLED panel brightness is better than adjusting the 'brightness' setting on OLEDs for calibration reasons. This also has the benefit of reducing the risk of burn-in. Many users on AVS actually find their OLEDs too bright even for just regular television use and lower their brightness. That's why I find the argument "but LCD is brighter" so silly. If you're using it as a computer monitor you won't be able to stand 100% brightness on any 48 inch or larger display anyway.
I have a 65" LG C9 in my living room and definitely feel that if I were to use it for desktop use I would turn HDR off and run it at a fairly low "OLED Light" setting. For desktop use brightness will mainly matter if using it on a bright day but even then I have never needed to use all of my LCD monitors' brightness either. For HDR higher brightness would allow for more variation but since the OLED has so much better dark contrast I feel that it still manages to look much better.

I've tried using the C9 as a desktop monitor by putting a chair a bit closer than my usual sofa distance and see how it works with 100% or 125% DPI scaling. It's just way too large for that to be usable in any reasonable way as the sheer size makes it uncomfortable and the edges hard to see as they don't curve towards you like they do on my 49" Samsung CRG9 super ultrawide.

I like the Samsung a lot as a desktop monitor but it can't hold a candle to the OLED for gaming so I'm somewhat considering the 48" LG when it becomes available. I just fear it would require longer viewing distance than I can manage with my current table setup and possibly DPI scaling which might leave me with less usable desktop space than what I have. I currently use the CRG9 with 3-4 large windows side by side and that is a pretty awesome way to work. Putting them into a grid format is at least for me not as preferable.
 

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I have a 65" LG C9 in my living room and definitely feel that if I were to use it for desktop use I would turn HDR off and run it at a fairly low "OLED Light" setting. For desktop use brightness will mainly matter if using it on a bright day but even then I have never needed to use all of my LCD monitors' brightness either. For HDR higher brightness would allow for more variation but since the OLED has so much better dark contrast I feel that it still manages to look much better.

I've tried using the C9 as a desktop monitor by putting a chair a bit closer than my usual sofa distance and see how it works with 100% or 125% DPI scaling. It's just way too large for that to be usable in any reasonable way as the sheer size makes it uncomfortable and the edges hard to see as they don't curve towards you like they do on my 49" Samsung CRG9 super ultrawide.

I like the Samsung a lot as a desktop monitor but it can't hold a candle to the OLED for gaming so I'm somewhat considering the 48" LG when it becomes available. I just fear it would require longer viewing distance than I can manage with my current table setup and possibly DPI scaling which might leave me with less usable desktop space than what I have. I currently use the CRG9 with 3-4 large windows side by side and that is a pretty awesome way to work. Putting them into a grid format is at least for me not as preferable.
I ran 200% scaling on my 55inchC7 because I like larger icons and a little further viewing distance (3 feet). For the CX I'm planning to wall mount the 48" about 4 feet away and run 200% scaling. I wish I bought a 65 inch C7 because now it's in my living room. It's not a real problem though because I love OLED so much I know I'm going to buy more of them.
 

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B6 owner here, yet another person who's jumping on the CX train once it comes out. Nothing else really comes close right now.

I'm hoping CX sales are enough to wake up the rest of the display market.
 
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