Haswell-E reveal: 8 Cores, DDR4, X99

Michaelius

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The stuff I've seen thus far has a switch on the board for each channel, but I guess that's what you mean by the buffer chip. I was thinking you meant on the memory itself.

There doesn't appear to be a reason why the board manufacturers couldn't implement it themselves, since it's independent of the memory controller, but you're right, that doesn't mean they will as it'll add cost.
Sounds like that would be same as current X79 mobos with 4 or 8 memory banks.
 

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I'm looking at x99 for my next upgrade (currently on 2500k/p67).

Has there been any information on if x99 will support Sata Express? The official stuff doesn't mention it but some sites speculate that it will, other says it will come out with the normal 90 series boards (after x99). I think the x99 would be absolutely complete if it had Sata Express, but it seems like it only has Sata 6/Gbs
 

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so if you get an x79 now with a ivy-e in september, it will be old tech in a year?\

i know most will say your thing becomes old tech as soon as you buy it cause there's a new one around the cornor.. but just wondering on your thoughts...

the transition from ddr2 to ddr3 took a while right?
 

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but just wondering on your thoughts...
It may be old tech however since performance does not grow by leaps and bounds anymore it will not be obsolete in a very long time especially for the enthusiast platform.
 

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so if you get an x79 now with a ivy-e in september, it will be old tech in a year?\
Of course. But that goes with anything computer tech.

As far as performance, it'll likely be a negligible boost. The real advantage of X99 over X79 is going to be in the additional native USB 3.0 and SATA III ports.
 

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and official pci-ex 3.0 and better power efficiency of chipset

But all 4 are kinda pointless in real life usage ;)
 

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Intel is going to use multiple die designs for Haswell E, os is the 6x core a native 6x core die?
 

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HSW-E appears to be based on a native 8 core die. So 6 core derived from 8 core native.
 

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For the xeon there will be CPUs with more than 8 cores. Not sure how many different dies Intel will use.
Current rumor is 8 and 14 core dies for Haswell-EP but they may do what they did for Ivy Bridge and borrow the 16+ core from Haswell-EX.
 
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did anyone else catch the only 3x8 pcie-e gpus on haswell-ep?
 

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did anyone else catch the only 3x8 pcie-e gpus on haswell-ep?
Haswell EP is supposed to have 40 3.0 lanes and Haswell EN has 24 per CPU. Depending on how they're routed on the board will determine what each slot has.
 

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I really hope Haswell-E w/X99 releases no later than Q3 2014... I'm still on X58 and it has served me well, but getting long in the tooth. I was thinking of going for IB-E, but I don't see any reason to pay all that money, on the cusp of a new proc, chipset, and even RAM type! I can only hope that Haswell-E will take a page from the socket 1366 days and include all the good stuff, with the mainstream socket having the new tech later etc... rather than the other way around as it was done with SB-E and IB-E.
 

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I can only hope that Haswell-E will take a page from the socket 1366 days and include all the good stuff, with the mainstream socket having the new tech later etc... rather than the other way around as it was done with SB-E and IB-E.
I would debate that the X79 LGA2011 + SB-E/IB-E still has flagship specs that the mainstream LGA1155/1150 was not the first to have nor will ever get:
- More than 4 physical cores
- Quad channel memory
- 40 lanes of PCIe

Now, there are some things that I feel Intel did skimp on with their X79 "-E" platform, such as:
- only 2 native SATA3 ports
- no native USB 3.0
- no native PCIe 3.0 support

...whether these limitations were or were not done intentionally in order to get existing "-E" platform buyers to buy again once X99 + HWL-E comes out is open for debate. You know, the planned obsolescence factor. IMO it would have been nice to see an LGA2011 chipset revision come out at the time IB-E did, like an X89 with the following rectifications:

- 40 lanes of native PCIe 3.0 (operates in PCIe 2.0 mode when SB-E is installed)
- native USB 3.0
- 6 to 8 native SATA3 ports
- support for dual or even quad socket SMP (maybe X88 with no OC'ing capability to maintain multi-CPU stability?)

*shrug
 
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I would debate that the X79 LGA2011 + SB-E/IB-E still has flagship specs that the mainstream LGA1155/1150 was not the first to have nor will ever get:
- More than 4 physical cores
- Quad channel memory
- 40 lanes of PCIe

Now, there are some things that I feel Intel did skimp on with their X79 "-E" platform, such as:
- only 2 native SATA3 ports
- no native USB 3.0
- no native PCIe 3.0 support

...whether these limitations were or were not done intentionally in order to get existing "-E" platform buyers to buy again once X99 + HWL-E comes out is open for debate. You know, the planned obsolescence factor. IMO it would have been nice to see an LGA2011 chipset revision come out at the time IB-E did, like an X89 with the following rectifications:

- 40 lanes of native PCIe 3.0 (operates in PCIe 2.0 mode when SB-E is installed)
- native USB 3.0
- 6 to 8 native SATA3 ports
- support for dual or even quad socket SMP (maybe X88 with no OC'ing capability to maintain multi-CPU stability?)

*shrug
PCI-E support is a function of the individual CPU, not the chipset itself...
 

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Yes I know. But doesn't the motherboard have to contain the physical slot revision as well?
Yes, or something along those lines..That is the reason that some of the Z68 boards could have PCI-E 3.0 with an Ivy CPU and a BIOS update while others would still only run 2.0 even with an Ivy CPU installed..
 

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Its nice to see progress, but who will actually take full potential of this? Majority of people cant utilize the current i5 and i7 CPU's, forget "aging" x79. i7s are so good there is no need to upgrade IMO. I dont plan to get rid of my system for at least 4 years. Its nice to have those parts for epeen, but actual real world advantage is negligible unless you encode, produce music, and use all other creative media.
 

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There are many things you can use increased processing power for. For first person shooter games, which are probably the ones you're thinking of when you say real world advantage, they can have more advanced AI, pathfinding and physics, as well as more NPCs. For strategy games they can pretty much scale the complexity and number of units in the game with the increased processing power. For general software they can bloat their already slow applications with even more useless stuff.

Also keep in mind that a lot of sacrifices are being made 'in the background' in applications and games for the sake of limiting the processing power required. By providing more processing power you essentially free developers to make what they want to make, rather than what they can make as dictated by processing power and the ingenuity, or lack thereof, of their solution.

In short, you can never have too much CPU power. There's a saying that goes something along the lines of 'demand will increase to fit capacity', which is very accurate in the software industry.
 

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Its nice to see progress, but who will actually take full potential of this? Majority of people cant utilize the current i5 and i7 CPU's, forget "aging" x79. i7s are so good there is no need to upgrade IMO. I dont plan to get rid of my system for at least 4 years. Its nice to have those parts for epeen, but actual real world advantage is negligible unless you encode, produce music, and use all other creative media.
Remember, consumer chips are essentially neutered server chips. Servers are constantly upgrading. Also, don't discount media creation as a small market, they are a rather significant market for these high end chips.

For day to day office tasks, even modern sub-$400 tablets are more than sufficient.
 

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My dream of building an overkill gaming pc might finally be realized!

I'm still waiting for a sub 100w TDP 6+/8 core cpu.
 

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My dream of building an overkill gaming pc might finally be realized!

I'm still waiting for a sub 100w TDP 6+/8 core cpu.
I am using one right now. 60 tdp (obviously a little different after over clocking but yeah; they have been around for 4 years now).
 
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Am I the only one that saw the enthusiast board only supports 3 gfx pice lanes? The mid supports 4 at 8x.. Did I read that wrong?
 

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Anyone knows how much memory this CPU will support? Some i7 cpus support 64GB max memory. Considering there are normal desktop (non-server) mobos that support 128, is it reasonable to expect these cpus to support 128GB? Also if they are claiming high end desktop, I really hope so.

Any ideas?
 

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Am I the only one that saw the enthusiast board only supports 3 gfx pice lanes? The mid supports 4 at 8x.. Did I read that wrong?
I read it too. Has to be a mistake. If not, expect PLX to make a killing.
 

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Am I the only one that saw the enthusiast board only supports 3 gfx pice lanes? The mid supports 4 at 8x.. Did I read that wrong?
40 PCI-E lanes allow for 16x/8x/8x/8x, 16x/16x/8x, 16x/16x, or 16x configurations for GPUs.

Yes I know. But doesn't the motherboard have to contain the physical slot revision as well?
In the case of Z68/Z77, it's the switches on the motherboard. The older Z68 boards used switches that could only interface with PCI-E 2.0, not 3.0. LGA1155 boards that did not have such switches (any board that were not configured for SLI/crossfire) were fully PCI-E 3.0 compliant with IB CPUs, since it was just a direct connection from the socket to the slot.
 

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The thing is I hear arguments just like that on an every day basis from people who are not computer enthusiasts. People don't care about graphics, but cost and ease of use.

Not that I'm defending a trolling remark, however...
 

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The real question will be what perceivable performance gains over a 4770k or 920. If more cores finally results in truly a performance difference other than those that encode. The extreme gamer say on 3 or 4 4k panels will see a boost with 2x 880gtx in sli. That's the Million dollar question. Otherwise gamers are better off with 4770k and saving the couple of hundred for memory or SSD. I still might use this on my machine that I rip DVD/bluray for my synology box. Can't wait to see reviews
 
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